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The delayed goal call: Rule 78.6

There was a pretty interesting situation in Wednesday night's Canucks-Rangers game that I received a few emails about. Here's a good take from Mike at Rangerland.net:

Everyone watching the game, including Gord Miller and Pierre McGuire on TSN, Kenny and Dave on the radio, and all of our board members watching on MSG thought that it was definitely a goal.  Bill McCreary and the Toronto crew respectfully disagreed.

As you can see in the clip, in the ensuing play before the the next stoppage Rozsival took yet another penalty, a cross-check.  The big question is whether the penalty would have counted if the goal had. Around here, we seemed to think that that Rozi’s penalty would have been wiped off the board, but Miller and McGuire said that it would have been kept on the scoresheet either way.  The idea being that a player shouldn’t just be able to crack someone in the skull on the chance that the call will be overturned later on.

Here's the relevant section from the NHL rulebook, Rule 78.6:

Any penalties signaled during the period of time between the apparent goal and the next stoppage of play shall be assessed in the normal manner, except when a minor penalty is to be assessed to the team scored upon, and is therefore nullified by the scoring of the goal.

Anyone have a good handle on this rule? It would appear, according to the explanation from the TSN folks, that since the Rangers were already shorthanded, if the goal counted, it would get a player already in the box out and put Rozsival in.

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Incidentally...

Alanah’s got some interesting photos of that disputed goal:

http://bit.ly/GW7I

by dbarefoot on Nov 20, 2008 11:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's right

The penalty still counts but they would get a guy out because it was a PP goal.

by phil333 on Nov 21, 2008 7:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think that's right, but...

…as I said in the post on Rangerland, that would lead to the situation where a player serves a penalty that was committed during time that no longer exists. A “twilight zone penalty,” if you will. Very weird situation.

Thanks for the link James.

-Mike

by self loather on Nov 21, 2008 8:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that the delayed penalty takes precedence over the infraction that was already being served in terms of being wiped out upon a goal? Why would it be any different than usual, when a team on the penalty kill that takes a hooking call or something and the other team pulls their goalie and scores, they don’t go shorthanded for another full two minutes – do they??

And, for whatever its worth, my seat in the Garden is high above the goal line and I was sure I saw the puck go over the goal line.

I have a blog too! www.scottyhockey.com
Let's Go Rangers!

by Scotty Hockey on Nov 21, 2008 8:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

>I just realized how badly I butchered the english language in that one. Sorry, mornings are not kind to me.

I have a blog too! www.scottyhockey.com
Let's Go Rangers!

by Scotty Hockey on Nov 21, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

When a goal is scored in a multiple penalty situation, the oldest penalty is the one wiped off.

In the case of a team scoring a powerplay goal while a delayed penalty is in effect, the man in the box comes out, while the delayed penalty is called as normal.

by Resolute on Nov 21, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You can get a penalty while play is stopped

It’s not really unusual at all, and this is just another application of that. This is a good rule, and it sounds like the TSN guys knew what they were talking about.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Nov 21, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I agree, it’s a good rule, because I don’t think that players should be able to run around during play and take penalties on the assumption that they will eventually get nullified. I just think it’s strange that a player serves a penalty for game time that is eventually wiped out and doesn’t exist. Put another way, if the refs get the call right, and the goal is allowed, the player would never have had the opportunity to take the penalty.

by self loather on Nov 21, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

What’s interesting about this debate is how it has caused people to forget that Lundqvist completely quit on his team in that game.

by Resolute on Nov 21, 2008 3:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Uh...

Not quite. Believe me, we at Rangerland constantly call other Ranger fans out for their blind praise of “King” Henrik, but Wednesday night it was his teammates that hung him out. Two breakaways in the first, one when the Nucks were shorthanded, two more complete defensive breakdowns, and the 5th goal was a 5-on-3. If you’re referring to the fact that it looked like he pulled himself out after the 5th goal, a lot of us thought that too, but Renney signaled to him from the bench to come out of the game.

Lundqvist is the only reason why the Rangers’ record is what it is this year.

by self loather on Nov 21, 2008 10:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs


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