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Avery suspended for being Avery

"I am really happy to be back in Calgary, I love Canada," Avery said on camera this morning in Calgary.  "I just want to comment on how it's become like a common thing in the NHL for guys to fall in love with my sloppy seconds.  I don't know what that's about.  Enjoy the game tonight."

— TSN.ca

"The NHL has suspended Dallas Stars' forward Sean Avery indefinitely."

UPDATE Stars owner Tom Hicks has released a statement saying he supports the suspension and that the team would have suspended Avery if the league didn't. "This organization will not tolerate such behavior, especially from a member of our hockey team. We hold our team to a higher standard and will continue to do so."

 

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I’m curious – on what grounds? Because violence was guaranteed?

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by FrankD on Dec 2, 2008 5:08 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe there are things that are too personal, and thus should be offlimits. I have no problems with the NHL drafting up such a list, but if said list has not been drafted up already, I think this suspension might be a little offbase. If something is already in place, then I’m OK with it.

by lordosis on Dec 2, 2008 5:11 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hilarious

Yes Sean, there is a penalty to be paid for being a no-class piece of shit.

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by PPP on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t understand why anyone would want that jackass on their team. Stay classy, sean.

by detroitnick on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, just wow.

I generally loathe Avery and the calculated attention whoring sideshow that he represents, but when I saw his comment earlier I just muttered, “typical Avery.” and moved on. Don’t need it, don’t need to give it any attention.

But I didn’t even conceive that this would be on the “suspension” radar. Classless in this context? Yes. Suspendable? Umm… I think most players — most people — have the taste not to go where Avery goes when he goes there (context and setting is everything).

But if they’re going to suspend players for stuff like this, they sure need a policy, as lordosis suggested. I mean, the words he used here — considering he’s referring to characters in (and living in) TMZ land — sound pretty benign. What rule would they make? “No speaking to the press just to mention in slang terms that another player is seeing your ex-girlfriend”?

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by Dominik on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i guess they don’t want Avery to take things to their ridiculous conclusion like he did with the screening of Brodeur last year. They let this slide and next game he’s out there questioning players’ sexuality or saying something racist and that hurts the NHL brand.

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by PPP on Dec 2, 2008 5:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

saying something racist

He’s already (allegedly) been there, done that. And as far as the sexuality stuff goes, he has said before people say that to him re: the Vogue internship.

Man I want him pounded.

by lordosis on Dec 2, 2008 5:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear that. And I think he’s such a waste (of marginal talent). But while the league is clear about homophobia and racism, seems like the wife/mom/whatever trash talk is internalized into the game (on ice). I guess they want to keep this stuff on the ice?

Perhaps another reason to eliminate the instigator? :)

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by Dominik on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps another reason to eliminate the instigator?

Even if they don’t extend it to all players, starting a fight against Avery should be allowed, if not rewarded.

I introduce to you the Sean Avery Reverse Instigator penalty! Start and win a fight against Avery, and he gets an extra two minutes in the box.

by lordosis on Dec 2, 2008 5:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“just to mention in slang terms that another player is seeing your ex-girlfriend”

You do realize that “sloppy seconds” is not a slang term for seeing a girl, but rather is slag for engaging in a gangbang, right?

by Gerald on Dec 3, 2008 5:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Next time the Stars play the Flames Iginla and Phaneuf are going to take turns pummeling Avery, and I’ll be as giddy as a schoolgirl when that happens.

by lordosis on Dec 2, 2008 5:44 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Avery because he keeps it interesting. C’mon, that is kinda funny.

Ain’t nobody watching you Dion, you ain’t that fly.

Ain't nothing but puck drops and poke checks, babydoll.

by wrap around curl on Dec 2, 2008 5:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would have watched the game tonight had he not been suspended, I’ll tell you that much.

by Afino on Dec 2, 2008 7:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same here.

Ain't nothing but puck drops and poke checks, babydoll.

by wrap around curl on Dec 2, 2008 7:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So would I.

Now it’s just going to be a nothing-special game between a bad team and a mediocre team.

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Dec 2, 2008 8:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Should that be the measuring stick for what is and isn’t allowed in the league?

by James Mirtle on Dec 2, 2008 8:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It seems like it already is. Players perceived as stars get away with more than supposedly lesser players, and the league promotes its chosen golden boys to the exclusion of all other players. Fighting should remain because it’s a good spectacle and entertaining, multiple overtime playoff games prompt hand-wringing from the league because some in the media whine about how long they are, and couldn’t there be some way to wrap these things up before 3:00 am?, the abomination of the shootout is in because “the fans deserve a win or loss” – making the measuring stick solely based on the potential of gaining interest, viewers, attention, and dollars, regardless of what seems to be truly good for the game, seems to be the next logical step. I don’t think it should be, but I also think some in the league wonder if it should. If it would improve their bottom lines, I doubt they would hesitate.

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Dec 2, 2008 10:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suppose we should praise the league then for making this call even if it won’t improve ratings. I will.

by James Mirtle on Dec 2, 2008 10:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dare somebody to say that Avery is bad for the league.

If he had said this yesterday, and if hadn’t been suspended, this would have been the biggest game so far this year by far, because everybody and their dog would tune in to watch Phaneuf and Avery scrap.

by mclea on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

If you actually believe that there is no such thing as bad publicity sure.

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by PPP on Dec 2, 2008 6:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm all for this!

Mostly because any reason to suspend Avery is a good reason to suspend Avery.

by OdinMercer on Dec 2, 2008 6:07 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

until it serves as a precedent to suspend someone who isn’t Sean Avery.

Got to be careful, NHL, or we may have to do away with the player interview altogether.

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by Earl Sleek on Dec 2, 2008 6:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see your point,

But I don’t know that anyone else is quite a big enough jerk to go about things the way that Avery does to break that rule. The vast majority of player interviews are the usual “We played hard” b.s., but this stuff is out of line. If he was simply calling out Phaneuf no big deal, but this stuff was just dumb and served no purpose other than to make the few left around the league that don’t despise him convert.

by OdinMercer on Dec 3, 2008 12:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What a waste

What a waste of a perfectly good opportunity to get a good hard game going. Avery isn’t stupid, so it was a calculated move to get people riled up one way or another. Would have made the game interesting from the get-go. And if Avery wants to paint a bullseye on his back to get his team going and make the opponents lose some composure, that’s fine with me. He takes the risk and makes good entertainment for the rest of us. Stupid move by the NHL.

by rsm on Dec 2, 2008 6:54 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh. Put me into the camp of people who find themselves, unwillingly, supporting Avery. This is stupid.

Hicks, though, is unbelievable. Who the hell did he think he was signing?

by J. Michael Neal on Dec 2, 2008 7:00 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So he was suspended indefinitely for essentially being a classless jerk, but the league can’t manage to keep players from trying to take each others’ heads off? Nice.

If Phaneuf even cares what he says or thinks, he’s quite capable of “defending his girl’s honor” himself. Or better, ignore Avery’s comments unless and until Cuthbert responds herself. I’m sure she’s capable of that – unless she is a delicate flower of such sensitivity that she would be permanently scarred in her psyche to hear such comments.

Men say idiotic things about their exes all the time. Nothing new, nothing special. Certainly nothing worth suspension. What a stupid thing for the league to waste their time and energy on.

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Dec 2, 2008 7:03 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I found this once googling, it still makes me laugh

Ain't nothing but puck drops and poke checks, babydoll.

by wrap around curl on Dec 2, 2008 7:31 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is hilarious. :)

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Dec 2, 2008 8:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is hilarious

Komisarek won’t win a Cup.

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by PPP on Dec 3, 2008 10:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One thing to consider

I can think of one very, very good reason the NHL handed out the suspension. Todd Bertuzzi. Remember the talk back in the day, the comments about Moore being a marked man? This is similar in my mind. And the comment is so personal, Phaneuf could loose his head and go too far (it isn’t likely, but it wasn’t likely that Bertuzzi was going to break Moore’s neck either). Instead of allowing that to happen, the NHL might actually be doing something preventative.

I know, this is the NHL, there is no forethought there, and I’m probably just talking out my backside. But it’s something to consider :)

by Arcanas on Dec 2, 2008 9:05 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is understandable but what about White vs Kovalchuk a week and a half ago?

Ain't nothing but puck drops and poke checks, babydoll.

by wrap around curl on Dec 2, 2008 9:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good andBad

Im not sure a suspension was warranted, but I have no problem with it. I would have been ok with a fine as well. Players should be held to a standard where people inside and outside of the league are treated with respect. His remarks are dumb and show a lack of respect for his fellow players and female fans (at the very least). That should be at least punishable with a significant fine.

But its frustrating to see the NHL step up to react to this comment immediately…when players are routinely allowed to throw elbows at each others’ heads with no punishment.

As for anyone who says “the NHL shouldnt step in, because the players should police themselves on the ice – and the Flames would take care of Avery on their own” – its the very “code” that leads to players like Avery disrespecting each other, to players thinking that “frontier justice” is the way to keep players safe. Avery has no fear of getting beat up by Phaneuf. But you suspend him and hit him in the pocketbook? That is much more likely to get his attention.

by poploser on Dec 2, 2008 9:22 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

A fine is the right reaction

This is ridiculous. We all know that much worse than this is said routinely by players in the locker room, on the bus, and in the bars. Is the NHL going to police that?

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by Back In Black on Dec 2, 2008 9:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But its frustrating to see the NHL step up to react to this comment immediately…when players are routinely allowed to throw elbows at each others’ heads with no punishment.

That is exactly my problem with the situation.

Someone says something crude, insulting, and stupid – and he gets the book thrown at him immediately for embarrassing the league.

Someone tries to cause someone serious harm, affecting their season and possibly career – and it’s part of the game, or he should have kept his head up, or it’s just a hockey play and no one meant it. And either way it takes forever to reach the convoluted decision.

Okay, suspend him for saying something dumb – but for Pete’s sake get a handle on the IMPORTANT stuff, too!

It just looks so arbitrary on the part of the league. No logic, no consistency, and no concern for what is more important than insults.

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Dec 2, 2008 10:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s fine, but it’s also a separate issue from whether or not Avery should be suspended for this transgression. I think many, many people agree that other suspensions should be more prevalent; that doesn’t change the fact that what the league’s done here was the right move.

by James Mirtle on Dec 2, 2008 10:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so...

How long do you think the suspension will be? Longer than what a player gets for stomping on another player? Longer than you get for ruining another player’s career? Place your best.

by DebCapsFan on Dec 2, 2008 9:24 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The remark is demeaning, gentlemen. A lot of people find that remark to be sexist.

To be blunt, Avery is claiming Cuthbert to be his, since he was there “first” (at least relevant to who he’s talking about). I don’t think I need to get into detail about the sloppy part of it.

It’s pretty obvious why this comment is suspension worthy. You guys are thinking it’s a pre-emptive strike… he already crossed WELL over that line.

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by saskhab on Dec 2, 2008 9:27 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I don’t know that it’s sexist as much as it’s perhaps poor taste. Sloppy seconds isn’t a gender exclusive dig.

Ain't nothing but puck drops and poke checks, babydoll.

by wrap around curl on Dec 2, 2008 10:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, it isn’t. A woman could have said the exact same words about a man. This is not sexist.

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by marcello on Dec 3, 2008 12:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is amazing that people do not actually know what sloppy seconds means. It refers to what i mentioned above in replying to an earlier post.

by Gerald on Dec 3, 2008 5:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps, Gerald, there is more than one running definition for the word. You seem to take it at its worst possible definition, but I think there is more than one way to interpret Avery’s comments. I don’t think strict literalism serves this issue very well — we should probably try to get at what Avery intended to say, rather than what Webster’s would have us believe.

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by Earl Sleek on Dec 4, 2008 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i haven’t checked the dictionary, Earl. I am just going by the meaning from my younger days.

My point is that i think there are some here (younger, perhaps?) who don’t even know the meaning that I am referring to.

by Gerald on Dec 4, 2008 1:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

panty knots

The remark is demeaning, gentlemen. A lot of people find that remark to be sexist.

Yah, people who let their wives wear their pants.

by Dr Van Nostrum on Dec 2, 2008 9:53 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

Because no one but a pussy-whipped, no-balls pansy would ever give any respect to a woman right?

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by PPP on Dec 3, 2008 10:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t think “sloppy seconds” is a sexist thing to say.

But if the roughly 45% of people who’ve replied to the poll in favour of the suspension really do find Avery’s remark sexist, I guess the league probably did the right thing in suspending him.

by RyanV on Dec 2, 2008 10:04 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Any suspension of Avery is a good suspension. The sooner the NHL can force that player out of the league the better off it will be.

by Ebscer on Dec 2, 2008 11:10 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This paragraph from Scott Burnside at ESPN probably points to the real reason for the suspension:

Sources told ESPN.com on Tuesday that, a month ago, when the Stars were involved in an ugly loss in Boston, Avery was involved in an ugly incident with a Bruins fan. According to the source, Avery was being heckled by the fan, and as he exited the ice, he stopped and yelled up a string of obscenities at the fan, including comments directed at the fan’s female companion. The profane exchange was heard by many in attendance, including a police officer, and prompted complaints to the league. A report was filed to the NHL, but Avery avoided suspension.

(link)

Something tells me there’s been more than one report like this to the NHL about Avery, but taking his act in front of the cameras so blatantly is what pushed the league over the edge. He has some handy excuses for his classless behavior in games and in this alleged Boston incident (denying what others said he said on the ice, “it was the heat of the game”, the fan in Boston started it), but this time he pushed it too far by saying it for the cameras at a press conference.

by Anne M on Dec 2, 2008 11:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Avery’s got a long, long history of incidents that obviously caught up with him here. Someone without a record could have gotten off with a warning.

by James Mirtle on Dec 2, 2008 11:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

avery the classless jerk

yes, he deserved the suspension, because he uttered what we used to call “fightin’ words” designed to provoke a reaction from the flames. a friend of mine at a recent stars-coyotes game took a poster down to the ice at warmups she had made, “sean avery is a " with averys face in the middle of a pansy. avery saw it, fired a puck at the glass in front of her face, came over and called her a "f-ing b****” and continued to rave at her, causing his teammates much amusement(some of the stars were laughing out loud at the poster). so he has no class, wants to agitate, yells obscenities at fans, and insults women in general and his former girlfriend in particular hoping to cause the flames to lose their heads and pick up extra penalties. 5 game suspension seems about right

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by goldenbear64 on Dec 4, 2008 1:50 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs


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