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Bettman disciplines all-star no-shows

Well, well. This is sure to rankle the Red Wings faithful.

Here's Craig Custance from Montreal:

Detroit's Nicklas Lidstrom and Pavel Datsyuk cited injuries for missing this weekend's All-Star game in Montreal. Now they might miss their first game back after the break because of it.

NHLPA executive director Paul Kelly said he expects the league to discipline the two players by having them sit out Tuesday against Columbus.

"Yeah, they have the ability to do and they have done it," Kelly said.

Honestly, I'm not surprised. There was some discussion that this might happen in media circles yesterday, but good on Custance for following the lead.

The NHL has to take some action in order to prevent wide-scale no-shows in the future, and this makes sense. Sidney Crosby is hightailing it to Montreal in order to take part in off-ice activities (i.e. interviews, schmoozing), but I doubt that on late notice Lidstrom and Datsyuk make the trip.

Should they miss the Wings' next game (vs. Columbus) and have to watch their team lose, expect the outrage to only grow.

And they say the all-star game doesn't mean anything.

Riddle me this though: What does this mean for those that are going to miss the YoungStars game? Should Steve Mason now have to sit in that same game against Detroit? And what about Capitals star Nicklas Backstrom, who didn't even feign injury in opting out of the rookies vs. sophomores game?

I'm not sure how Bettman wriggles out of that one.

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Oof

Is there any other league that does this? Never heard of something like that.

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by TheTick on Jan 23, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A caps fan mentioned that Backstrom declined to show, made a point to emphasize that he wasn’t hurt, and is visiting family in Europe. The rookie goaltender for Columbus, Steve Mason, said that he wasn’t going to particpate because he just thought taking a break would be better.

How many suspensions are going to result from this?

And if they bring a note from the doctor, will they be re-instated?

(And as a Wings fan, if the price of having a couple players fully rested is a one-game suspension, then I take it. Eight days of rest would do both of them good considering the minutes they have been playing, anyway. Detroit has played well enough that one game won’t keep them out of the playoffs, anyway.)

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by Baroque on Jan 23, 2009 1:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Too many anyways. Sorry for the brain fart. :)

"A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." -- Tennessee Williams

by Baroque on Jan 23, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys are too fast for me. I updated with the YoungStars game questions a few minutes later and that’s something I’ll look into when I get to Montreal in the next hour or so.

by James Mirtle on Jan 23, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Quite besides the point, but how are you posting while travelling? They have internet in planes now??

by Habs on Jan 23, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m actually on a train. It’s pretty nifty.

The ’net’s not that fast, though.

by James Mirtle on Jan 23, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It would be faster in a plane because planes are closer to the satellites so the electrons don’t have to move as far. :)

I will be staying tuned for further developments. You’re the best, James.

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by Baroque on Jan 23, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

mason sitting against the red wings?

Lids and Datsyuk sitting seems like a fair trade off should Stevie Franchise also take the night off, no?

by johnycakes on Jan 23, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Per ESPN this rule dosen’t apply to blowing off the Young Stars game;

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/allstar2009/news/story?id=3855534

I would think the teams that should be mad about the Wings sitting next Tuesday are those battling with Columbus – Avs, Wild, Canucks, Stars

by mc keeper on Jan 23, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

…Coyotes, Oilers, Ducks.

by Doogie2K on Jan 23, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Healy

Love him or hate him

Here is his quote as per ESPN
Former NHL goalie Glenn Healy, now director of player affairs for the NHLPA, disagrees with the league’s stance on this issue. He said the league needs to look at the big picture.
“It’s not good for hockey and it’s not good for the fans,” if Lidstrom and Datsyuk are held out of play, Healy said.

Now would not the fans who are going to the All Star game like to enjoy Lidstrom or Datsyk play? I am not saying that the all star game is great nor will I watch it but if I was attending live I might feel a bit jipped. Especially if I was a mentally challenged wings fan:) That zing is for my leaf buddies!

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by Toe Blake Hockey on Jan 23, 2009 1:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Define "fans"

“Fans” don’t go to AS Games. Suits do. It’s a chance for the VP Marketing to take his “date” to an event where she might be able to parlay that into a Page Six relationship with a player.

“Fans” plunk down their thousands of dollars in the summer so that they can attend all 41 home games of their favorite team. And barring injury, that means on Jan. 28 they should expect to see Sidney Crosby in the lineup helping the Penguins battle for a playoff spot against their division rival, the Rangers.

Props to Healy. He made the Avery Witch-hunt a PA issue. And it sounds like he’s going to make this “Suspension Rule Pulled out of Bettman’s Azz” a PA issue.

by Dr Van Nostrum on Jan 23, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Healy

I like Healy to but he does go a bit too far with the rhetoric.
Fans would be those that watch the ASG on NBC or attend the game in Montreal
or attend the events in Montreal over the next 3-4 days.

Fans are those people that the NHL and NHLPA are supposed to work and market jointly to.
How many fans of a COLU versus wings game will be watching Lidstrom and Datsyuk for the first time
Versus new and young fans at a NHL all star game in Montreal. When was the last time the Wings were in Montreal? Most of the fans at this game in attendance will be young, yes their fathers will have purchased corporate tickets

 I kinda agree with the NHL on this one, but maybe because its in Montreal I feel the snub more. I don’t know, If the rule is implemented in the future then the players will know it is there and they can react accordingly.

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by Toe Blake Hockey on Jan 23, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well I’m a hockey fan, true and true, and I will be attending. But that’s only because I got free tickets through work and live 20 minutes from the Bell Center… I would never have paid to see this game, for sure.

by Habs on Jan 23, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn’t this indicate larger problems concerning the NHL’s current All Star Weekend format? It’s an authoritarian hand intervening in what was ostensibly a fan-driven event. Yes, we know about the controversy concerning ballot-stuffing, but, as a fan, I’m not too impressed with this decision.

The fact so many popular players were willing to skip the All Star Weekend (including Sidney Crosby), citing various reasons, indicated to me that there’s something fundamentally wrong with how the NHL runs the thing. I’m so uninterested in the AS stuff that I made plans to do other things. I’ll return when the regular season recommences.

And because the NHL has decided to suspend some players for their non-attendance sours further my opinion of the NHL, All Star events, and the villain that is Gary Bettman.

by Mr. Boots on Jan 23, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm torn on this..

On one hand, I can understand some players’ desire to have a break from the grind of the season and get revved up for the long run to the playoffs.

On the other, the NHL is desperately trying to rebound from the PR disaster that was the lockout and wants to showcase their best players. They want to discourage widespread dropouts that would even further water down the All Star game.

Whatever it is, the All Star game has been a joke for a while. The game is meaningless and the game for the most part is unexciting. The best thing IMO about the games is listening on the goalies while they’re on the ice. Something needs to change to really start to pull fans back into the festivities and a big harsh slap in the face of it’s star players might not be the best solution.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 23, 2009 2:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This seems very last minute

Certainly this edict could have been issued at the start of the week.

by Exit716 on Jan 23, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think punishing the stars is the answer.

I’ll be a star player for a minute. Great, so I kick ass and take names the first half of the season. Do I get a weekend off? Nope, my reward is to go schmooze with a bunch of suits and put up with a lot of nonsense for a meaningless game. Oh goody.

I’d rather have the weekend off.

What will we see, players downplaying themselves to avoid the nonsense?

by gotsparkly on Jan 23, 2009 3:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The players shouldn't be thinking of the game as a punishment...

Your “reward” is to be chosen by either fans or peers to represent and promote the league whose existence allows you to be a multimillionaire athlete living their dream.

To me it’s no different than requirements for media access throughout the year, its a part of the responsibility of being a member of the league. Lots of players seem to relish and enjoy the spotlight and media attention, and from watching in the past lots of players appear to have great fun during the all-star festivities. For those that don’t: Suck it up; it’s a part of your job as a professional hockey player as long as the event exists in this form.

by ConfidoBoyd on Jan 23, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well said...

I don’t mean to hate on this generations’ players, but I rarely see anyone really pumped about playing in an all star game in any sport, these days…waaay back when, I remember for baseball’s all star game, when guys like Aaron and Mays and Frank Robinson not only considered it an honor to be chosen to play, but there was a real rivalry with the other league and they were upset if their league didn’t win…now that game has been so watered down by player indifference, they have had to invent things to keep it interesting, like home field advantage for the World Series and internet voting to add a player to an already overstocked roster (due to every team being represented).

I think hockey has some similar problems to some extent…for one thing, the format changes: East vs West, Campbell vs Wales, North America vs the World, and some years, they don’t even have a game, due to the Olympics…how do you build up interest in the fan base, let alone the players, when you change the damn thing every couple of years?

I don’t know what the answer is…corporate partners like these things, and in the current economy, you can’t exactly blow that off…fining players for opting out only creates resentment, but if you let guys like Crosby and Lidstrom not show up, then why have a game?

by tbell61 on Jan 24, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It isn't so much player indifference

I don’t think. Everyone wants to win – whether it’s a regular season game, a poker game on the plane, soccer games, etc. I think more of a problem is the player movement and familiarity with each other. When it was more common for players to stay with one team for a long time, they didn’t necessarily form friendships with players from other teams. Now they move around a lot, they form groups from many different teams that get together for training in the offseason, and they have a lot more in common with each other than any of them do with the fans. How can they get any real emotion about beating their friends in a meaningless game? I don’t think you really can.

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by Baroque on Jan 24, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's all fine and dandy...

…only that it’s most likely the starting lineup was chosen by spambots rather than fans (nobody is voted in by their peers—the Hockey Operations Department picks the rest of roster and replacements). Nobody takes the NHL All Star game seriously because the entire online voting process—in which the NHL actually encourages ballot box stuffing—is so corrupted. The “honor” is a joke.

So you’re a player who’s nursing an injury. You haven’t been selected to the All-Star game by the fans, so you’re faced with a choice—resting up and rehabbing for the playoff run for the team that pays your contract, or appearing in an exhibition game that hockey fans and media really don’t take seriously any more.

The problem is larger than players not taking the All-Star Game seriously. The players—the “peers” you mentioned—have no imput over the All-Star roster, nor do the coaches of other teams. The NHL has undermined the intergrity of the voting process, and ratings for the All Star Game always have been less-than-impressive (0.8 in 2008, 0.5 in 2007). In two years, the Winter Classic has done more for the profile and marketing of the game and the league than the All-Star Game has done in a decade.

And that’s the problem really…the concept of an All-Star Game really doesn’t work for a game like hockey, where team chemistry is more important than individual play. It works for something like baseball, where the game relies much more on individual performance and the stars of the game are easy to see, but for a quality game, the NHL All-Star version never has been it. It’s a poor representation of the game, no matter the quality of guys in it.

If the NHL wants to continue the All-Star Game, they need to change the way the players are selected—have the online voting for best goalie and offensive and defensive players; have starting line-ups voted by fans while attending the games; and let the players, coaches, and GMs select the rest of the roster. Or, just drop the All-Star Game entirely and push the Winter Classic as the mid-season marketing tool. It’s a far better representation of the game, and better yet, it actually means something.

by Forsch31 on Jan 24, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or, just drop the All-Star Game entirely and push the Winter Classic as the mid-season marketing tool. It’s a far better representation of the game, and better yet, it actually means something.

I was thinking about this earlier, and so many people want to fix the game by making it “count” or by making it more like “real hockey,” and as you pointed out that is very difficult because of the team chemistry. Generally you can’t just toss together three good players and instantly have a great line – if it was that easy, then no coaches would constantly shuffle lines searching for a proper fit.

Maybe instead of worrying about the all-star game per se, consider what has become the major function of the weekend – the corporate schmoozefest. The game is often awarded to a non-traditional market to try to get some attention for the team, but unfortunately by the midpoint of the season the local team may already be out of the playoffs and known to be horrible, so the marketing impact would be blunted. Players don’t want to go if they are injured and teams wouldn’t want players there if their participation could hurt the team for the rest of the season. Also, the best players are not always the most personable ambassadors of the game, possibly because they are cranky cusses, or because their English is horrible, or because they are just shy or introverted personalities. So what about this:

Move the all-star game to the preseason and require each team to send at least two players of their choosing to serve as their hockey ambassadors. That way the players would be healthy and free of nagging injuries because it is the very beginning of the season, the half-speed (at most) game would fit neatly into the exhibition season, teams could send their more conversational players, there wouldn’t be any shortage of true stars because teams would be looking more at nearly-ready minor leaguers, unsigned players on tryouts, etc. in games that more resembled competitions so no one would be shorthanded, and it would help the local team market itself. It could be a great kickoff to the season and a drive for pushing season ticket packages from the very beginning of the year instead of halfway through. They could also have a lot of activities for the kids and families and fan-centric events, like maybe a booth where fans could order any player jersey they wanted and have it sent to their home address so they wouldn’t have to carry it home if they were travelling, and the weather would be much nicer for travelling for fans, players, and media – wind-chill factors and the charts showing how long it takes exposed flesh to freeze solid that weather people take such a perverse joy in would not be needed in the fall. It could be a wonderful fan-fest and convention and skills display to really emphasize the new season that is just about to start, so get your tickets for opening night right now!

Might be better than the lamefest the all-star weekend is right now, maybe?

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by Baroque on Jan 24, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How does Bettman know they aren’t really injured? That hardly seems fair to them, that they want to rest an injury and Bettman won’t allow it. Sounds like grounds for a health and safety grievance to me.

by Doogie2K on Jan 23, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm so tired

hearing about the all star game. i can’t wait until that columbus game so that I can watch hockey again. It’s idiotic that this is coming up now and applies only to datsyuk and lidstrom, especially when pavel left the game in phoenix with an injury. Whatever, just ugh, let it be over.

by detroitnick on Jan 23, 2009 7:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Also

take note wings fans! Make sure to vote players from other teams in next year so that our players can get a break and don’t get suspended for skipping the snore-fest that is the all star game.

I guess next year I’ll bother to vote.

by detroitnick on Jan 23, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No Wings were voted in.

No players from Detroit were selected as starters – both Lidstrom and Datsyuk were selected after the fans stuffed the electronic ballot boxes for players from Chicago, Anaheim, Montreal, and Pittsburgh.

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by Baroque on Jan 23, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs


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