Messier's new helmet takes aim at concussions

"I think that that along with the tremendous impact that concussions that are having on the NHL and the youth leagues led me to say maybe this is a way that I can bring some awareness to it and help the sport in general fight against concussions."
SB Nation's Brandon Worley had a chance to chat with Messier about the new bucket and even take a test drive with it on his own head, and he came away pretty impressed. The part about its design that makes the most sense to me is doing away with the two-piece helmet to create something that is sturdier and better fitting.
"Traditional helmets use what is known as a 50/50 shell, two pieces of the helmet that slide back and forth in order to provide a fitting mechanism for the wearer," Worley writes. "While this provides an simple (but not so quick) method for players to adjust the size of the helmet, this design never provided the protection that is now needed in hockey. With two shells, impact would cause the two parts to slide over each other, rather than absorbing the force of the impact. The M11 uses a streamlined shell called the Mono 90, one shell that is designed to offer complete protection of the head from impact. The stronger design reduces direct energy transfer at the point of impact directly to the head, instead spreading the force throughout the helmet."
There are five NHL players wearing the Messier helmet this season, one of whom is Matt Bradley of the Capitals, as are players for Harvard's Division I team. If it works as well as the promo material says, it could play a big role in the concussion issue plaguing hockey these days.
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Kudos to Messier for leading the way with this. As someone still bedeviled with aftereffects of a serious concussion, I believe it’s one of the most critical issues facing hockey.
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by zyllyx on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I always wondered how the helmet got to be the most evolutionarily unsound piece of equipment in the hockey repertoire. I suppose that supporting the need for helmet reform is like admitting that a concussion is possible.
Next up? Making the gloves bite-proof.
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by stufflife on Oct 12, 2009 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I appreciate and admire what Messier is trying to do, but a new helmet is not going to to much if anything to eliminate concussions from the sport. The primary issue with concussions isn’t the helmet getting hit by a slapshot, smashed into the glass, or tumbling to the ice. The problem is the speed with which the players are moving and the suddenness with which they decelerate when they get hit. It’s no different from a car crash, just substitute the skull for the car and the brain for the occupants. When the car stops the occupants don’t and they get thrown around the vehicle, often violently. The only real way to prevent the brain from cashing into the skull, and thus to prevent concussions, is to have smaller people moving at slower speeds.
by RoneFace on Oct 12, 2009 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you would be surprised. Obviously the speed and strength of the players is a factor in causing concussions, but its one that can in large part be mitigated by better equipment and proper use of said equipment. For example, mouthguards can go miles in helping to prevent concussions, and in many youth sports, they’re required to be worn, and worn properly. In the NHL, half the players don’t even wear mouthguards, or if they are wearing them, are wearing them incorrectly. Helmets are similar. Helmets work similarly.
More work has been done in the area of high school and youth football, given that there is more interest there than in hockey, but they’ve made huge strides in improving mouthguards and helmets in football to reduce the potential for brain injury there, and there is no reason the same can’t be done in hockey. You’ll never get to 100% injury proof, but you can certainly make a big dent in the problem.
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by IAmJoe on Oct 12, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the NHL, half the players don’t even wear mouthguards, or if they are wearing them, are wearing them incorrectly. Helmets are similar. Helmets work similarly.
Yeah, really. Helmets should not pop off with the frequency that they do. If they do, you’re probably doing it wrong, unless you’ve been blasted so hard, the chinstrap or the snap holding it together breaks.
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by Doogie2K on Oct 12, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they do, you’re probably doing it wrong, unless you’ve been blasted so hard, the chinstrap or the snap holding it together breaks.
..in which case, a better chinstrap and snap can be easily designed.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 13, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by IAmJoe on Oct 14, 2009 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The “skull for the car and the brain for the occupants” example completely leaves the helmet out. It has been researched regarding at least motorcycle helmets, and I believe football too, that proper helmet padding can make the deceleration of the head more gradual (and therefore slower) as essentially the head is initially decelerated a bit by the padding before the big blow.
Also, you have to remember that “head” or “skull” isn’t just one big object here – different angles and points of impact do effect concussion tendency. If a helmet structure is able to spread some of the energy away from a problematic area then that would be helpful in some situations. Maybe even the shape of the helmet can somehow lessen impact energy to these problem areas, but I’m speculating here.
Of course, some concussions aren’t preventable by helmet, but there are enough pure facts to say that some are.
by Malurous on Oct 12, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody said it would eliminate concussions, only mitigate them to a degree. If a new helmet used league-wide reduces the number of concussions (especially the career-threatening/quality-of-life kind) then I’m all for it, and if you’re a fan who respects the livelihood of the players you pay to watch, you should too.
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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 13, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Helmet
Looks normal, and knowing Cascade from Lacrosse probably lives up to all that it promotes itself as. The one problem I see is that Cascade will have to do some serious marketing to get any consumer base to start. Bauer, Rebook, and CCM all have such a grip on the helmet market that unless the topic of Concussions continue to grow I can’t see how Cascade can differentiate themselves from any of the above.
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by Rob Luker on Oct 12, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Start it in youth hockey, I would think. No parents want their kids to get hurt, no school wants its students to get hurt. Get the info out there, get the helmets to athletic directors or league managers. Get it started and then let the kids grow up with these new helmets.
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by IAmJoe on Oct 12, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately affordability may be an issue. Will be interesting to see how this price out.
by hockeycountry on Oct 12, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of marketing to the pros, I bet Mark Messier’s name still carries some cachet, and if enough guys buy in from the get go and like how the feel, word will spread.
In terms of marketing to Joe Blow, well, I’m not sure that they even need it, but as IAmJoe says below, if you get it in youth hockey, you can get future NHLers before they know there’s something different. We’re seeing more and more guys keep their visors after junior/college because they’re used to it and it’s comfortable; you didn’t see that ten years ago.
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by Doogie2K on Oct 12, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great example on the visors!
I remember in high school a few years ago, one of the things we had was each year, you could get the plain old red mouthguard that came with all the rest of the stuff (socks, belt, couple of other random personal things), or they had an order form for some sort of “super” mouthguard. It was like 15 or 20 bucks, and the thing was actually kinda scary big, but the company had some sort of concussion-proof guarantee or something. You didn’t have to get the other mouthguard, but they recommended it.
We also had some sort of concussion-reducing helmet too. I got one of them my JV year, I think it was, and we only had a couple on the team, cause they were brand new. The next year I didn’t have one, and got a pretty gnarly concussion. A couple years later, I think they ended up replacing all the old helmets with the new improved ones. Going through the schools or youth hockey is definitely a good way to start the process.
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by IAmJoe on Oct 12, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great example on the visors!
I can’t take total credit for the thought, actually. I recently heard an interview with Paul Maurice where he said that he wouldn’t be in favour of mandatory visors — despite the fact that his career was ended by an eye injury — unless they were grandfathered in like helmets were, and he cited grassroots enforcement as reason why we’ll eventually see total visor compliance.
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by Doogie2K on Oct 13, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, 100%. I’ve never understood why grandfathering in visors, just like they did with helmets, isn’t already being done. It shouldn’t make anyone mad at all, because everyone who doesn’t want a visor wouldn’t have to wear one, and anyone entering the league is already wearing a visor or a cage, so its just telling them they can’t take it off.
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by IAmJoe on Oct 14, 2009 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s ironic that the PA is nearly always the source of opposition to safety-related changes, when most other unions are quite the opposite.
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by Doogie2K on Oct 14, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s ironic at all. I think it’s HILARIOUS!!!
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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 15, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, part of the thing for NHL players is comfort and habit. NHL players that never wore visors tend not to want to deal with getting used to one (until they get hit in the eye, that is). NHL players that never wore helmets tend not to want to deal with getting used to one (until they get their skull crushed in, that is). The same is probably true with mouthguards too (and anecdotally, I swear I see more youngsters in the NHL wearing them than veterans, probably because those youngsters grew up with mouthguards required and enforced).
Thing is though, all current NHL players already wear helmets. Changing helmets isn’t much different than changing shinpads or something. Especially with Messier pushing them, and if they get some evidence proving the anti-concussion claims, switching to these helmets shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
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by IAmJoe on Oct 12, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not much help if they're not strapped on...
…better technology is all and good but the user has to use it correctly.
by hockeycountry on Oct 12, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely. Helmets need to be strapped on correctly, and mouthguards need to be worn. That alone would do a lot to help the issue.
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by IAmJoe on Oct 12, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another opportunistic venture by a guy that wore a helmet with no padding and the chin strap down to his knees. Any opportunity to keep his name in hockey.
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by GZ Expat on Oct 12, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Older and wiser? Nah, he’s just a hypocrite looking for a paycheque.
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by Doogie2K on Oct 12, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carolina Hurricanes’ defenseman Aaron Ward is wearing one of the M11s. It looks slightly bigger or larger than other helmets and unless you were aware of it, the average person wouldn’t notice. Anything that helps reduce the risk of head injury is a move in the right direction, even if it has Messier’s ego attached. Now, if the players would start wearing visors.
by ontheboards on Oct 12, 2009 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Concussions just an issue to help sell the helmet
I think it’s highly unlikely this helmet can make a real difference. On an impact, whether or not the helmet is one or two pieces makes little difference as the brunt of the force is transferred at the same rate regardless of the shell type — the helmet could be made of a rigid titanium alloy and it still wouldn’t be any better at preventing concussions. What makes motorcycle helmets better at preventing concussions is the significant amount of collapseable material in the helmet. But motorcycle helmet design isn’t really appropriate for hockey as the amount of foam you need requires the helmet be very large, which increases the akwardness of wearing it, and increases the likelyhood of things like neck injuries.
It is a good thing that concussions are becoming more of an issue. I suppose it’s not bad that it’s being used as an issue to sell a product. As long as people stay aware, wear their mouthguards and helmets properly, players will be better off.
by delooper on Oct 13, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So let me get this straight: A one-piece shell is no better at distributing impact than a two-piece? Physicsm MLB, the NFL, and motorcycle helmets disagree with you. It is my understanding that one of the “innovations” associated with this helmet is also the padding. There’s more of it and it’s a different type than the current standard foams.
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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 13, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how so?
Your comparisons are very relevant to my point. In MLB, the design is largely to deflect baseballs. So you’re worried not only by the speed of the impact but the relative size of the object — if the pitcher was throwing bowling balls, it’d be a different story.
If hockey players were primarily worried about pucks to the head they’d be wearing something more like a goaltender mask that distributes the impact over as large a surface area as possible. Turn that on its head — what would a goaltender wear if their primary concern was 240 pound players flying elbows-first into their head? I think I already addressed the motorcycle helmet comparison. NFL helmets are probably the most relevant to hockey comparisons, in terms of the type of impact. But NFL players have pretty severe concussion problems too.
One of the main problems with making hockey helmets larger is the increase risk of neck damage. It’ll be interesting to see the long term stats on this helmet, compared to others when it comes to snapped necks.
by delooper on Oct 13, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFL helmets are probably the most relevant to hockey comparisons, in terms of the type of impact. But NFL players have pretty severe concussion problems too.
And there’s new Helmets that have proven to lessen the impact and help prevent concussions.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 13, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turn that on its head — what would a goaltender wear if their primary concern was 240 pound players flying elbows-first into their head?
He’d wear something like Hasek’s custom combo or Thomas’ Mage. One-piece, full coverage shells with a cage/visor similar to a football helmet or motorcycle helmet.
A goaltender’s mask is typically designed to distribute the impact of a low-mass (relative to a human body), high-speed projectile through the cage interface with the shell. Many modern masks have low profiles on the top and sides to force shots to hit the larger surface area of the cage. The force then follows a path from the cage, through the connections (typically with rubber bushings), into the semi-rigid shell, into the foam behind it, then into a large surface area around the peripheral of the face, the sides of the head, and chin. The design flaw in modern masks that relates to this discussion is that impacts from the side and rear aren’t allowed for in the design to the same extent that a line-of-sight impact is.
That’s why it makes more sense to have an all-around single surface shell for player helmets. Their design needs to deal with low speed (relative to a puck), high-mass impacts that come from numerous angles-of-impact. The deceleration aspects of one-piece vs. two-piece helmets is pretty basic. A large impact area (a player running into another player or street running into a rider’s head) needs more mass to dissipate the force. The dissipation would stop at the joint of a two-piece helmet. If the two-piece was two equal pieces you’ve distributed all of the force over half the area whereas a one piece has distributed all of the force over the whole area of the helmet. Therefore the foam/padding has to decelerate half as much as with a two-piece. Wouldn’t you rather have the whole helmet working for you or just half?
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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 15, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the main problems with making hockey helmets larger is the increase risk of neck damage. It’ll be interesting to see the long term stats on this helmet, compared to others when it comes to snapped necks.
That’s only a problem if you’ve added mass to the neck system. Are the new helmets substantially heavier than traditional lids? If not, then all you’ve done is increase surface area, which has increased the force-distribution area with is a win-win.
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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 15, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On an impact, whether or not the helmet is one or two pieces makes little difference as the brunt of the force is transferred at the same rate regardless of the shell type — the helmet could be made of a rigid titanium alloy and it still wouldn’t be any better at preventing concussions
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 13, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the helmet could be made of a rigid titanium alloy and it still wouldn’t be any better at preventing concussions.
When it comes to the shell, they’re changing the structure instead of the material (I don’t know if there are changes in the material but the structure is the point).
by Malurous on Oct 13, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
humm
So I took a closer look at the design on the company’s webpage. The shell technically isn’t one solid chunk of plastic. The head-cap is, but the part that covers the back of the head is flexible, using a ratcheting system. It looks like the main innovation is in the pads, it has something that’s sort of like a spring device — some thin rubber bushing kind of design, sort of like a cheap suspension that’s used on some 18-wheelers. That’s probably a step up from my 1980’s era helmet.
I could imagine you’d get a decent step-up in performance if helmets were custom molded to players heads, much like how high-end goaltender helmets are. They’d help some.
by delooper on Oct 13, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could imagine you’d get a decent step-up in performance if helmets were custom molded to players heads, much like how high-end goaltender helmets are. They’d help some.
Agreed. This is something that I’ve thought about, and could be done with NHLer resources.
When it comes to the padding, you shouldn’t disregard motorcycle helmets as a comparison so easily (maybe you already noticed this, judging by your first paragraph here). Even if there isn’t nearly as much padding, there still is padding and it has the same effect when it comes to preventing concussions (even if that isn’t a motorcycle helmet’s point), namely gradual deceleration. Modern technology should be able to help with this effect.
by Malurous on Oct 13, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
…the helmet could be made of a rigid titanium alloy and it still wouldn’t be any better at preventing concussions.
Actually, it’d likely be worse. You want the shell to have some give to it to absorb force. A very rigid shell would not deform therefore there would be no loss during the transfer from the shell to the padding. The padding would have to do all of the work. That’s why there is so much padding in a motorcycle helmet. The shell has to be more rigid for reasons that have no bearing on the hockey discussion (abrasion resistance, durability associated with the likelihood of multiple, near identical strikes in rapid succession, etc.).
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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 15, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
clarification
I’m not saying it’s impossible to make improvements on current designs. But it is impossible to prevent concussions in hockey via technology. Anything that can offer enough protection will either immobilize the player or make it too easy to snap your neck. It’s basic phsiycis. heh
I am a little sceptical of the claims on this helmet, but there’s no reason to make a big deal about it. We’ll see how the stats pan out over the next 5-6 years as players adopt this helmet and other new designs. Many concussions are due to impacts to the face and jaw — like rising shoulders in hits. This design doesn’t address that at all.
I suppose I can imagine one way to get past my “impossibility” clause. Make a helmet which is a full upper-body cast. So it would make it impossible to move your head independently of your upper body, very rigid. You’d have to change some of the rules of hockey to allow for this, and you’d probably want to install some digital cameras so players could know what’s happening to their sides, and behind, etc. You’d need a little HUD, like on a fighter jet. But I’m being a little silly now.
by delooper on Oct 13, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What would help a lot for the impacts to face and jaw, where the cage doesn’t cover, would be mouthguards. They tend to get overlooked in terms of concussion prevention, but they aren’t just there to protect your pretty smile. Mouthguards do an awful lot to help with concussions, particularly from getting struck on the face/jaw. Obviously, this helmet won’t fix that, but players actually putting their mouthguards in (I’m looking at you, Patrick Kane!) would be a big help. I think you see more of that from the youngsters in the game too now, as they’ve grown up with a mouthguard for so long that its almost weird to not have one.
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by IAmJoe on Oct 14, 2009 3:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where has anybody said the new design would eliminate concussions? It’s supposed to reduce the frequency and severity.
Your original stance that it was all marketing gimmick falls apart if you remove your fabricated assumption that it is an all or nothing caveat.
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