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Leafs AbomiNation: A Q&A with co-author Michael Grange

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I've actually been planning on doing this for a couple weeks — after reading this book on vacation — but it seems pretty well-timed with all that's going on in Toronto right now. 

It's possible you've already heard about the book given it's a bestseller here in Canada and the promotional side of things is in full swing, but for the uninitiated, it's called Leafs AbomiNation: The dismayed fan's handbook to why the Leafs stink and how they can rise again and it's written by two respected local sportswriters, Dave Feschuk from the Toronto Star and my colleague, Mike Grange, from The Globe and Mail.

And while the packaging may look a bit jokey with the fan in a paper bag mask and the $19.67 price, this is a serious book with some nice investigative work and in-depth coverage of just why the Leafs are where they are. It's a smarter book than it looks. Feschuk and Grange do things like go on a scouting trip with former general manager John Ferguson, meet with some of the pension plan suits (who own a majority share in the team) to get their perspective on turning a profit on the franchise, and talk to some disgruntled former employees like Craig Button who reveal some of the dysfunction in the organization (and why the Leafs missed out on Fabian Brunnstrom).

If you're interested in the mess that is the Leafs, it's good stuff, and that more than anything is why I wanted to pick Mike's brain on the book a bit more. What follows is a (somewhat lengthy) conversation we had a couple days ago about Leafs AbomiNation:

What was the genesis for the book? What was it that made you and Dave decide to do this topic?

MG: It was him who suggested that there could be a book along these lines. We were kicking around a couple of other ideas, and he wanted to know what I thought of that one, and I thought it was pretty good. And I think I was able to bring something to it just being a citizen of this city sort of thing — I've covered [Leafs owners] MLSE, mainly through the Raptors, for a long time, and have some insights there that I thought would help the book out.

But the short answer is that I think it is just time [for a book like this]. You've got this incredible cultural force that people just can't stop talking or thinking about and yet the rewards are kind of sparse by most standards. And it was interesting to dig behind that a little bit.

As a neutral observer, it has been bizarre the last five years because the story with the Leafs hasn't so much been what's happened on the ice — that hasn't been that interesting or exciting other than 'they're bad' — the story's been these sort of machinations of a pension plan and the effect that's had on ownership and how the team is run. It's really a unique situation in pro sports, or at least certainly in hockey.

MG: What really jumps out at me — and a lot of it is even after we've written the book, you keep talking about it and thinking about it — is that in a way, it's a combination of two forces. Entertainment generally has become a much more significant consumer product than it was even 20 years ago, and sports as entertainment — well, it's officially entertainment. There always was that, but now it really is marketed and sold and commodified just as you would movies or anything else. And I think that trend is really accelerated in Toronto. You've got the explosion of sports media, the 24-hour sports universe, and that combined with an ownership group, the majority of which, maybe all of which with the exception of Larry Tanenbaum, is solely devoted to the return on investment. That [ROI] is the absolute guiding force for the [Ontario] Teachers' Pension Plan in this investment.

And so I think for Leafs fans, you get caught up in this cultural sort of shift where the team you grew up loving and following through thick and thin has really become a brand in the truest sense and they're owned by a company that is really only interested in — although they can say otherwise — what kind of return can they get for this brand. The fans in a way are a little bit complicit, but they're also sort of sucked up in this vortex — and what are you going to do, you're a fan? You don't really have a choice but to keep following this team you've grown up with and now you find yourself watching a bad hockey team and spending gazillions of dollars to do it.

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And reading stories about pension plans and — you know, on that theme, it's interesting, the best Leafs blog out there is named after the pension plan.

MG: It is kind of amazing how well versed the average Leafs fan has become to the sort of twists and turns of a corporate entity. I think that's one of the things we wanted to cover for sure was to try and get behind and go beyond the surface understanding of some of these competing forces and I hope we did it.

You ask, why do a book like this, I mean, until Leafs AbomiNation came out, it was all kind of piecemeal — the columns on [MLSE CEO] Richard Peddie, or the talk show and sports radio takes on the pension plan — but until we sat down with the book and really kind of put some thought into it and peeled back some of the layers, it wasn't there in one package for people who both hate the Leafs and love the Leafs [to analyze].

It's 10 essays on a theme of "Why the Leafs suck."

That's actually what I was going to ask you — when I first saw the book and the topic, I was thinking, I've read these stories, I know Peddie, I've read the mini-profiles over the past couple years, I know Larry Tanenbaum, etc. But what the book does is, instead of piecemeal, instead of reading a 700- or 800-word story in The Globe or the Star or whatever on these topics, you've got either yourself or Dave actually in Peddie's office looking at his marketing awards and a whole chapter on this individual and his role. What it is is just a lot more depth on these issues — it gives you a much more well-rounded understanding than you can get in just a magazine or newspaper article and that's what I really liked about the book.

MG: Coming from someone like yourself, that's high praise. Let's face it, this team is not a team that most people follow casually, so it's hard to be original in the coverage. It's not like we invented all this stuff. People who have covered this team... they do a good job. There's a lot of material out there. Our goal was to kind of find the best of that and go a bit further.

[Mike and I talked here about some of the stories and interviews they were able to get in the book, but I'm going to skip ahead a bit for brevity's sake.]

Did you come away with a bit of a different perspective or did you sort of find what you thought you would?

MG: I would say more the latter. We definitely had a slant, and that's what kind of makes it a provocative book. I think if you were trying to write a book about why the Leafs are good, you could do that, too — it's just not going to be that interesting to a lot of people automatically.

What was interesting to me was, when you really laid it all out, we realized how the franchise has never got lucky. The other thing is, and we try and make the case using an owner like Mike Illitch in Detroit or Ted Leonsis with the Capitals — this is definitely a takeaway for me from the book which is there really is a benefit to having this single-minded, laser-focused owner. As long as they're well capitalized, they can really move the needle a little bit.

With the pension plan, it was just interesting to get behind them and see the history of it. They've never got lucky. As much as with other clubs you can point to as examples of how to do things right — Ted Leonsis made a brilliant decision to sort of tear down the Capitals, tank it and draft, but he got lucky to draft Ovechkin. And the Pittsburgh Penguins, they're another example where the best way to get really good is to be terrible, but the only reason they were so terrible is that their ownership was imploding.

In a way, what's happened in Toronto is they haven't been bad enough and the ownership hasn't been negligent enough or had the foresight to really put themselves in a position to get lucky.

You talk about tanking and that's really become the sort of in vogue way of thinking of building a winning NHL team, but really, the only reason it's working so well in Pittsburgh and Washington is that perhaps three of the best players of this generation were all picked within two years with Malkin and Crosby and Ovechkin. That doesn't always happen — guys like Chris Phillips and Patrik Stefan were first overall picks, so if you tank and that's the year you bottom out...

MG: No, and you're absolutely right, there's no guarantee. I guess to clarify, one thing that I would want to say to Leafs fans is, well, if I was a Leafs fan, what I would want to see is someone with the dedication to building a generationally great team. Now that is an incredibly tall order. To build a team like they had in the '60s... to build a team that is worthy of keeping the legacy alive and if you're a fan now in your 40s you can introduce the team to your kids who are nine years old. It's a high-risk proposition, there's no guarantee, but if you don't try it, it's not going to happen.

Because this fanbase is so dedicated and so loyal and all these things, I just think they deserve a bit better than a low-risk, low-reward approach.... In the last five or 10 years, think of decisions that were made that have absolutely set this franchise back. The first to me would be trying to remain competitive out of the lockout — that was an absolutely terrible decision. You're trying to squeeze, I don't know what, revenue, one last chance at glory? I don't know what out of an ageing group coming out of the lockout. By not being quick off the draw like Leonsis was in Washington, you set your franchise back five years and who knows when you're going to recover?

Similarly last year, finally you've created this kind of expectation that we are going to rebuild, we are going to start over, and yet they drafted seventh. Brian Burke gets up and says it's a sad day that we didn't make the playoffs, this whole kind of blustery theatre at the end of the season — but to me, why didn't you try and grab the third pick? Why didn't you try and get as bad as you could? Who knows what happens, maybe you get a [Victor] Hedman? Maybe you get a Tavares? You had a chance to get on that path.

From what I've seen so far, Hedman looks fantastic, too...

MG: Instead, I think if you're a Leafs fan, I think you've got to be kind of concerned. Not just because you're winless so far, but because... what are you? You've got a bunch of journeymen defencemen, you've got no scoring up front and there's still this expectation you're going to make the playoffs I guess by trading away your first two picks for a guy like Phil Kessel. I guess this would be the year you finish eighth or ninth because you're not doing anything for yourself in the draft anyway.

I just don't see the commitment to really try and be something special for the fanbase here.

When you talk about Peddie and Tanenbaum and even the guys with the pension plan, what really will probably enlighten Leafs fans most from the book is the fact that these are excellent businessmen. These guys have been very, very successful, and the team is just not part of their success so far. Would you agree with that?

MG: I would agree but with one proviso: If you're Richard Peddie or the Teachers' Pension Plan, the team has been a brilliant success. People forget, and we touched on this in a chapter called Life as a Leaf about the Gilmour era in '92 to '94, about how it was still a mom and pop organization. It was a small business, a small company — you could walk off the street and into Maple Leaf Gardens and watch practice, basically. And that's exactly when the pension plan got involved.

So if you're Peddie and the pension plan and you look at what the company was about in 1994 and what it's about in 2009-10, it is an incredible success. It's gone from a $100-million hockey team in an ageing, decrepit building to a $1.6-billion company that churns out $100-million in profit a year and is diversified across a number of sports and a number of entertainment spheres — including real estate.

It's a stunning business success.

[Mike adds here that he thinks it won't be a true success for minority partner Larry Tanenbaum until there's a championship and that his gaining a majority share in the team would be a good step forward for the franchise.]

And you think the pension plan is going to step out at some point?

MG: I do. I think there's going to be a scenario where — I talked to one NHL governor from a rival team that sort of paints a scenario where there is going to be expansion, one of the teams is going to be in Southern Ontario and not in Hamilton — because that would destabilize Buffalo — but probably somewhere in northern Toronto, a suburban team with lots of parking spaces, and that would mean say $300-million, $10-million a team [in expansion revenue] and a big, big cheque that goes to the pension plan. And that, to me, would seem to be a good opportunity to exit.

I think long term, they've done fabulously well with this investment and there's probably another opportunity out there that has a little bit more growth. And that's when you're going to see Tanenbaum take a majority position.

 

Star-divide

Our conversation was way, way longer than that, and perhaps at some point I'll get into more of it, but what I'll say is that I'll recommend the book as a way of getting into more of these issues. For some reason, they seem exceptionally relevant right now.

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That’s good stuff James, and, you’re right, it is extremely relevant right now. In light of where the Leafs are right now the Kessel trade is looking like a huge setback. I haven’t looked closely, but is this draft supposed to be a good one beyond the top 5? That may have been on Burke’s mind when he made that deal, that he couldn’t get a guy as good as Kessel in this draft so trade the pick… but that seems thin.

He’s got a big job ahead of him, rebuilding a scouting department and minor league hockey department if he’s going to build a ‘generational’ team. That just doesn’t happen overnight. Were those issues addressed in depth by Grange and Feshuck?

Ta,

by Tom Luongo on Oct 15, 2009 7:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They were touched on a bit in the section where they spoke with Craig Button. He left because he was pretty discouraged by JFJ’s approach to scouting which considering his background was pretty shocking. The story about Brunnstrom is basically that scouts found him when he was in the second division and told JFJ to sign him but he refused to do it.

Damien Cox had a great article (and it must be good to get that kind of praise from a Leafs fan) on the changes that Burke’s done to the front office and the scouting department. He’s starting to use the Leafs’ financial muscle where he can.

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by PPP on Oct 15, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For those who haven’t read the book. What exactly was JFJ’s scouting philosophy?

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 15, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dartboard.

by Afino on Oct 15, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, as evidenced by his trades it was that picks were not as valuable as the terrible hockey players they could be moved for.

Gotta rec this.

by Bosc Ulrich on Oct 15, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anyone, Leafs fans should know that the enemy of hockey is bad deals and bad management, not the presence of or lack of fan base. A team will thrive when its run properly in any major city. Consider that the next time you put down sunbelt teams.

by ThrashersRecaps on Oct 15, 2009 8:09 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

re: getting good by being really bad

I think some of the comments here about building an elite team “like Pittsburgh did” are spot on. Since the Pens won this spring, there does seem to be a theme in hockey writing to the effect that you can create a Cup winner by (1) being really horrible, (2) drafting superstar players, and then (3) making the young superstars your core. Every time I read this, I can’t help but think that every team is different and it isn’t this simple.

In the case of Pittsburgh, you clearly can’t ignore the role of luck. As you note above, just because you finish last in a given season doesn’t mean you’ll get the chance to draft a Sid Crosby or Alex Ovechkin. We were fortunate in our timing. But it’s also the case that, at least for the past 2 decades or so, the Penguins have generally run the hockey side of things very well. With the exception of 05-06, our down years have usually been a reflection of money problems rather than mismanagement. The bad years going into the lockout were the result of slashing salary to meet the terms of the bankruptcy agreement; once the creditors were paid off and ownership was free to add salary, the team improved dramatically. So, high draft picks are great and all, but the lesson to draw from the Penguins is that you still have to do the little things right.

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by holiday park on Oct 15, 2009 8:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think a perspective missing here is that you don’t need a Crosby or Ovechkin (they certainly accelerate the process though). The Kings, Blues, and Blue Jackets have all built pretty solid teams from being really bad.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 15, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until they win, though, “solid” doesn’t cut it. The Leafs have had numerous solid teams over the past 40-odd years. They get no credit for that. It’s the 0-fer that everyone talks about.

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by 1967ers on Oct 15, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed, especially re: the Kings and Blues

The point I maybe failed to make is that there’s no substitute for running your hockey team well. Sometimes teams have horrible seasons for reasons that don’t pertain to hockey operations. Bankruptcy, horrible luck with injuries, etc. On the other hand, sometimes a team is terrible because the organization does a bad job of assembling it. The latter type of team isn’t going to be bailed out by high draft picks (this type of team, of course, tends to trade them anyway).

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by holiday park on Oct 15, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it’s not just being bad, but being sustainably bad, i.e. for 4-5 years, like the Kings and Blues were.

by Afino on Oct 15, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you still need luck. The Blues were lucky that teams were still trading first-round picks to rent aging pending UFAs.

I’ve been thinking if: a) GMs have indeed decided not to do that anymore, and b) GMs are all coming around to the value of prospect development and cheap contributors, then luck (“hey, our 27th overall pick turned into a star blueliner”) is still going to be a big part of any team making a sustained run at the top.

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by Dominik on Oct 15, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salary cap.

If teams could spend whatever they could afford, GMs would still be dumping picks for established NHLers.

Now that a salary cap makes a roster full of competent vets fiscally impossible, GMs are outright forced to keep and use their own draft picks in order to (hopefully) have a resource of young, marginally effective players making less than a million dollars.

by HockeyinHD on Oct 15, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that has been the driver — but the Blues’ rental trades were made under the salary cap, too. Have GMs finally learned, or are they simply adjusting to the cap not going up for once?

Regardless, the cap’s a leveler, and with everybody inching toward a bit of Moneyball-ish examination of how to build things, lucky breaks like those mentioned above will continue to be a big variable. It will always help to be bad in the right year.

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by Dominik on Oct 15, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last year was really a watershed in the GMs’ approach (I think) when the only 1st rounder moved went for Olli Jokinen and he was under contract for another season.

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by PPP on Oct 15, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think so, too. I wish that were enough to keep some from telling me Bill Guerin should have fetched a 1st or 2nd, and — even better — Brendan Witt or Andy Sutton should fetch the same. :sigh:

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by Dominik on Oct 16, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I think it was a disservice to the book that they only allowed the first chapter (the blame history chapter) to be excerpted. From what I’ve seen and read, it’s the weakest of the lot and really doesn’t match the tone of the rest of the work.

Clearly, the first chapter intended to be somewhat “aggressive” in its interpretations, but along the way, this meant that a number of stories were taken out of context, certain facts were cherry picked for maximum shock value and others were simply wrong. (For example: “Between 1980-81 and 1989-90, the Leafs finished last in their division an incredible eight times.” The correct answer is actually four.)

I read the part where they interviewed PPP and the tone is so radically different that it’s hard to believe it’s part of the same work.

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by 1967ers on Oct 15, 2009 9:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Same with the cover page.

And while the packaging may look a bit jokey with the fan in a paper bag mask and the $19.67 price, this is a serious book with some nice investigative work and in-depth coverage of just why the Leafs are where they are.

That basically sums it up. Although if you want a really, really long interview click through to the related post :) and hopefully James tosses up the rest of the discussion.

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by PPP on Oct 15, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That [ROI] is the absolute guiding force for the [Ontario] Teachers’ Pension Plan in this investment.

It has to be since they are investing the contributions of their members. It may have unfortunate consequences for the team at times but the basic responsibility of a pension plan is to its’ participants and to their retirements.

OTPP pioneered alternative investments among pension plans, using the hugely successful Harvard and Yale endowment plans as a model. They’ve gotten in trouble with some investments and there have been calls for more gov’t oversight but MLSE has been a huge success for them.

Mike Grange makes an interesting point about how expansion might cause OTPP to divest ts ownership. The problem is that the plan is underfunded, perhaps seriously, and the ratio of active members to retirees keeps dropping, ie, fewer contributions, more pension liabilities. I can’t see them giving up a low-risk “cash cow” like MLSE under those circumstances

by Big Picture Guy on Oct 15, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All discussion about the Pension Plan’s intentions has essentially become moot in the post-Cap era from my perspective. Any of the claims alluded to here about the nature of the team’s switch from a ‘mom and pop’ operation to a solely profit driven enterprise are irrelevant to me if they put together a winning team. I’d also be willing to wager that the majority of people who complain about the switch (if such a group exists, i don’t know any fans that feel that way) would be far less vocal with misdirected rage if they team were a perennial Cup contender.

by ConfidoBoyd on Oct 15, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any of the claims alluded to here about the nature of the team’s switch from a ‘mom and pop’ operation to a solely profit driven enterprise are irrelevant to me if they put together a winning team.

Yeah, but how has that been working out?

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by James Mirtle on Oct 15, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poorly; in terms of on ice success; for those with short term memory. However, my point was that the motivations of the PP are not what has resulted in this team’s recent lean times. It’s not like they’ve spent every day Wirtz-ing (or Ballard-ing, for that matter) the fans and trying to pinch every penny to bulk up the black ink on the books. I will certainly concede that as the team progressed to a more powerful corporate machine there were minor areas of tradition and accessibility that were sacrificed. Nonetheless, i think these changes can just as easily and equally attributed to the societal changes and entertainment commoditization alluded to in the interview as they can the PP.

Perhaps I’m mistaken, but during the Quinn-era when things were relatively more shiny for Leaf fans; I do not recall daily newspaper ruminations and multiple book launches that spent time diverting attention from the ice to the board room. I stand by my original point; in the post-cap era where the team is willing to handle a full cap payroll, the motivation of the PP is entirely irrelevant to any discussion of this team’s successes and failures. At no point do I feel that the goal of maximizing ROI has been the impetus to the good decision making that can lead to success.

by ConfidoBoyd on Oct 15, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, part of the ‘revelations’ in the book (which were always hinted at in rumours but never confirmed so it’s good that it was) were about JFJ’s dealings with the board. According to him he went to the MLSE board and presented a plan outlining how he envisioned the NHL post-lockout and contrary to the team he put together afterwards he was on board with giving kids shots and on the importance of developing talent in-house.

However, his budget presentation had no figures for playoff revenue and that’s where his plan was kiboshed. he was too weak to sell it to a board that was counting on playoff revenue. It’s ‘hilarious’ I guess that there were no playoff revenues anyway.

The other aspect, as mentioned above, is that he never used MLSE’s massive financial clout to build up the front-office and scouting and player development. Button actually mentions that part of the plan of moving the Marlies to Toronto was that they thought that they could make $4M off of the team instead of losing $4M a year.

Hopefully now Burke has convinced MLSE that they need to exploit their financial advantage in other areas. Signing the NCAA kids, Gustavsson, expanding the scouting network, and filling out the front office are moves that will hopefully pay dividends.

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by PPP on Oct 15, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At no point do I feel that the goal of maximizing ROI has been the impetus to the good decision making that can lead to success.

I think you’re misusing a word here because I don’t think the goal of maximizing their cash flow has been an “impetus” for anything positive either.

PPP’s right. Having the board make decisions (in the past, not necessarily now) that had a short-term focus hurt the team. It’s undeniable.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 15, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya, lost my train of thought being distracted while typing that last response, should have been ‘impeded’ not ‘impetus’ which i’m sure you figured out.

I feel the intent of my original reply has been lost; im not claiming that in practice the PP’s goals didn’t effect the team, but rather it was not the intent that is responsible for this debacle. The goal of wanting maximum ROI does not preclude proper decision making, many of other teams/GM’s were able to approach the post-lockout NHL with a similar strategy as the Leafs in a far more successful manor. The difference was not the PP’s short term goal of maximum ROI, just about every team/owner is being guided by this purpose, the difference was in the hockey moves that were made. JFJ made the wrong moves to reach the goal his employer set out; that doesn’t mean that the goal was inherently wrong.

In the end, it’s just the constant characterization of MLSE and the PP as evil-corporate monsters that bothers me; it is far too often counter productive scapegoating that distracts from addressing the practical on ice issues.

by ConfidoBoyd on Oct 16, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The book makes a very compelling case that you can’t separate those practical issues from what’s happening in the board room. Bringing in Burke certainly helps, but not if they’re still always trying to “win now.”

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by James Mirtle on Oct 16, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd have to agree with Boyd on this

I don’t really see a basic conflict between the goal of maximizing revenues for the PP and putting together a winning hockey team. It would be one thing if the Leafs were following the Pittsburgh Pirates model (i.e., squeeze every dollar possible in revenue without investing a cent in the team itself). And isn’t every team trying to “win now”? There are just different ways of doing so. It’s hard to not pin the Leafs’ struggles on incompetent management of the hockey operations side. If that’s resulted from meddling on the part of the PP (I haven’t read the book), okay, but I’m not convinced that tells you anything other than “let the hockey people run the hockey team”.

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by holiday park on Oct 16, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why hire John Ferguson Jr.? He’s cheaper. Why tell him not to use his rebuilding plan and attempt to make the playoffs every year? Better for the bottom line.

Have they since learned some lessons from that situation? Yes. But let’s not pretend it didn’t have an impact earlier in the proceedings.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 16, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does the book provide evidence/statements that JFJ was hired due to his cheap price? That’s not something I’ve ever heard, and generally remember a lot of praise and positivity in the wake of his hiring.

In no way will I pretend like the whole situation didn’t impact the last 5 years, that’s undeniable. However, my original point and belief will remain that it’s not the philosophy that’s to blame; it’s the execution. Ultimately, with the proper perspective and decision making the two goals support and strengthen one another. I’ve found most, if not all, attempts by the media to claim otherwise ignore logic in hopes of fueling the populist contrarian outrage thats easy to generate amongst the Maple Leaf ‘fanbase’.

by ConfidoBoyd on Oct 17, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

GO RAPTORS!!!!1

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by eyebleaf on Oct 15, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

and that about sums it up….
great job yet again, Jimmy!

by yerry on Oct 15, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For anyone interested in buying the book, it’s on sale on Amazon.ca for $9.84 and Chapters has it for $10.81.

by stormshadow on Oct 15, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Grange, is that you? ;-)

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by James Mirtle on Oct 15, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, no I’m not Grange. My name’s Don, my dad raised me to be a Leafs fan, as his father raised him to be. I figured some people might be thinking “I don’t have to spend $20 to know the leafs stink”, so there are some bargains out there. If you still don’t believe me buy a used copy, if I remember correctly PPP predicted they’ll be going for $0.01. :-)

by stormshadow on Oct 15, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give it time :)

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by PPP on Oct 16, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My name’s Don, my dad raised me to be a Leafs fan, as his father raised him to be

I grew up just outside of Toronto, my Dad was/is a Leafs fan but thankfully when I was like 7 years old and starting to collect stickers and hockey cards, some guy with the cool name Yzerman became my favorite player. ‘93 sucked, but I’m still thankful as hell 7-year old me made that decision. Putting up with the schoolyard taunting was well worth it.

by Bosc Ulrich on Oct 16, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn’t disown you too? Parents are far too indulgent.

Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.

by PPP on Oct 16, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grange,

What’s the name of the book again?

by mclea on Oct 15, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs


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