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Part 6: Final thoughts on Nashville as a hockey market and its future in the NHL

In February, I took a trip to Nashville, Tennessee, to see some of the Music City's sights, watch a few games and, most importantly, get a handle on how the NHL is faring in what has been, recently anyway, one of its more troubled markets. For the first five parts of the series, see here.

"Until we can find 17,000 people, 41 nights a year that care enough to support us with their pocketbook and their presence, then I don’t think we have been successful with what we set out to do. We didn’t set out to just keep the team here. We set out to make this a franchise that the entire city loves, wants to be a part of and that we have success."

— David Freeman, owner of the Predators

I think even Mr. Freeman would agree there's a long way to go on that front.

It didn't take long this season for "the attendance watch" to rear its ugly head in Nashville, as long-time Avalanche beat writer Adrian Dater ripped the fan base and the market eight days after the regular-season opened earlier this month. As you can imagine, it was a screed not all that well-received in Predsville.

"It’s a tough thing to say, but it needs to be said," Dater wrote. "The Predators should get the heck out of the NHL. They’ve been a charity case team the last few years, needing revenue-sharing money from the rest of the league just to stay operable."

Dirk Hoag, an excellent blogger who I've come to know well the past few years, offered a lengthy response, defending his hometown team about as well as can be expected. But after visiting Nashville, buying tickets and sitting in the seats, meeting the hardcore fans and then picking through the (available) financials, I've come to accept what for many is an uncomfortable truth when it comes to debates like this.

The Predators are a "charity case" reliant on revenue sharing to survive?

Well, of course they are. And for this league to have expected any different when the team landed there 11 years ago among the hockey neophytes was just plain wrong.

The harsh economic reality of the NHL is and always has been that there are simply not 30 wonderful markets to plunk franchises into, and that, even in the best of circumstances, it'll be a tight squeeze in a place like Nashville. The Predators will always have one of the league's lower payrolls, they'll always be in danger of losing young stars after their second contract (think Shea Weber) and they'll also always have to somehow get more from less in order to be competitive — let alone win a championship.

Even with the handout, in other words, the deck is already stacked against this franchise.

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This season, Nashville's payroll is within $7-million of only four other teams — Columbus, Dallas, Phoenix and the Islanders — none of whom are in particularly sunny financial condition. The Preds have 12 players making less than $800,000 and no one making more than $4.5-million — a unique use of cap space in a league where 60 players make $5-million or more.

We're still in the early days of a salary capped NHL, but what's become clear is that the $56.8-million ceiling figure acts as a magnet, drawing top teams' (and those that want to join them) dollars more and more every season. This year, even in recessionary climes, about 17 teams will be cap max clubs — including all of the top teams from last season.

Looking at what Preds GM David Poile has had to do with his roster, especially on the blueline, I have doubts teams like Nashville can keep up. Especially when yet-to-be stars are drawing big money at 21 and leaving altogether four years later.

But that's an aside to all of this, meant only to illustrate how tough a road this team has ahead even with the dreaded handout in its back pocket. The fact is, the NHL took the plunge, took the city's money and put hockey in a relative dead zone for the sport way back when. Against all odds, a fan base has grown there — a better one, I'd argue, than we could have reasonably expected in a smallish Southern market, and a better one than it gets credit for just about everywhere else.

The reality of this 30-team NHL is that there's nowhere in the U.S. better to go than Nashville, no new doors to open that will offer more than what's slowly built up there. Lower bowl tickets are not dirt cheap (I paid $70) and the fan base, small it may be, is rabid enough that it has weathered some pretty difficult circumstances already.

Even so, barring a dream playoff run on a shoestring budget, turning a profit will be a tall task. The city's in deep in terms of propping the Preds up, and other NHL teams are, too, but Freeman just might be right that this franchise could be something a generation from now.

But what to do in the interim?

If the question is, "should the NHL have gone to Nashville in the first place?", I'd likely have to answer, no, that this would be a healthier league at 24 or 26 teams.

But if you're asking "should they now pull up and leave?", it's a far more difficult proposition. The goodwill in the market has been built, and ownership's saying it's willing to fight the good fight over the long haul. Even if backing up a moving truck and hauling teams to Canada was an option, places like Winnipeg and Quebec City would face the same issues and questions, with fans wondering why payroll was so low and their stars leaving so young. Those cities would need to subsidize the arena operations, ownership would need to be deep-pocketed and patient and, even then, who knows?

The NHL's become a league of 10 to 12 haves and so many have nots, the worst of which cannot possibly survive without revenue sharing (and even then are in a difficult situation). If, in that environment, the Predators can put 14,000 plugged-in fans into a 17,000-seat rink and keep breaking even, that, at this point, in this circus of a league, is a win.

Maybe not a huge one, but a win nonetheless.

I don't know if hockey will survive in Nashville, long term, but they deserve their shot and, in some ways, they're good for a league that's become far too much about big business the past 10 years. I like what I saw there, even if it's different and even if the fans up in the rafters pay less than the league average to cheer on a game few knew existed a decade ago.

It's a tough thing to say, especially after all that's been written on the subject, but the Predators should stay the heck in the NHL. They're not the Coyotes and they're not the answer to Southern Ontario's need for another team, as much as many would like them to be.

Freeman is in for an interesting fight, but in my mind, it's still a war worth waging. And all you can do is wish them luck, on the ice and otherwise.

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If Kovalchuk re-signs with the Thrashers then we will all see what can happen to a team with a low payroll. It might take one superstar like that who decides to stick with the Preds rather than leave for more money to draw fans, and other stars, to the team.

by ThrashersRecaps on Oct 30, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if the Thrashers can spend the way they are this season long-term. Kovalchuk’s going to command a mammoth salary, and if Atlanta has a payroll like the Predators, that could be a real hindrance on the rest of the roster.

They key thing is that the Predators have found a way to break even even without a ton of playoff revenue. Atlanta has a ways to go.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 30, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a nitpick, according to Cap Central Legwand and Erat are both making $5 Mill plus this season, but their cap hits are only 4.5.

by Blarg-o on Oct 30, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

awwwww….

mirtle, that’s the most affective thing you’ve ever written.

by ephemeromorphia on Oct 30, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate it, I dispise it, and if you give more I'll kill you.

What also hurts the Predators is their style of play under Trotz. It’s painfully boring to watch and offers no thrill to any fan. Last night’s game against Chicago was an abominaton. It literally put me to sleep as the Predators seemed to play afraid to enter the offensive zone, how are you going to draw the casual fan if the Predators are that boring to watch at home?

Everyone will agree that wins and losses help boost attendance, but putting a exciting product on the ice helps even more and under Trotz right now that’s not happening. There are plenty of good players still on the Predators like Legwand, Erat, Arnott, Sullivan, Dumont, and Hornqvist that can skate and play an up-tempo style with any team in the league and draw excitement, but it seems they’ve been shackled by Trotz to play a neutral zone trap kind of game. Which may be another reason why top players always leave Nashville.

Is hockey in Nashville a mistake? Probably but 1-0 and 2-1 games, win or lose, are not going to get people rushing towards to the Sommet Center. If they want to succeed in increasing revenue then they may want to change their style of play and overall perception as a boring team to watch. It couldn’t hurt.

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by hawks61 on Oct 30, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Very nice, sympathetic article that points out some truth that Nashville critics don’t want to acknowledge.

Kinda wish that same largesse could be applied to Phoenix.

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by zyllyx on Oct 30, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If the Coyotes could break even and not be such an incredible drain on who owns them, I think you’d have more sympathetic people. Phoenix is so much more of a basketcase than the Predators right now, and I don’t think that’s been said enough.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 30, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Jerry Moyes had bought the Predators...

… and handed the front-office and on-ice reins over to Gretzky And Pals, Nashville would be Phoenix.

by BleedBlue42 on Oct 30, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it. One of Nashville’s real advantages is a city that is willing to pay a lot of the bills to both bring the team there and keep it there. The Predators probably have the best arena lease in pro sports — and it got even better when the new ownership came in.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 31, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No hawks61...

Last night’s game was pretty excting. Preds fans realize we don’t have the firepower that the Detroit’s and Chicago’s have, but your assessment of last night’s game is incorrect. PredNation is buzzing today. It was top to bottom the best performance by the Preds all season. Your team is the one that didn’t score. Perhaps that is why you were falling asleep? The Preds took care of Chicago in, well, Preds fashion last night. Nitty, gritty, grind it out hockey. We know we won’t shell out the big bucks like Chicago does, so when your stars take the night off we have to take advantage every time.

by GOPREDS on Oct 30, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I remember when Buffalo played in Nashville not too long ago – it was anything but a trapfest.

Miller and Rinne were making spectacular saves left and right. Okay, the final score was 1-0. But if you bothered watching it, it was a goaltending clinic with the chances by both teams.

by Afino on Oct 30, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way – it reminds me a lot of the Hasek-era Sabres teams a lot. Not comparing Rinne to Hasek or anything, but the idea is the same. “The Hardest Working Team in Hockey” was the team’s calling card and they even advertised it as such. There were years that went by without a Buffalo skater in the top 50 or even top 100 in NHL scoring. But it didn’t matter because of hard work and goaltending.

by Afino on Oct 30, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Rinne has the potential to be very, very good. Hopefully they can afford to keep him if so.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 30, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rinne may not be Hasek, but at least he’s got Hasek’s old goalie coach, Mitch Korn (who may well be the MVP of the franchise).

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by Dirk Hoag on Oct 30, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about that – and it makes Rinne’s success even less surprising. Good for him.

by Afino on Oct 30, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exciting?

And how many Cups did Buffalo win by playing that way? It didn’t work then and it won’t work now. GOPREDS if that’s what you call exciting hockey then I fear for you for it was not. Maybe watching a Hawks and Wings game might help in your assessment of what is exciting hockey.

Face it the owners with money are not going to be receptive to the idea of another hard-cap CBA. There are going to be many revisions that are going to help them so with that get ready for the Central division may soon resemble the American League East, with two team spending out of control while the others just try to break even with low-salary teams. It may not reach those ridiculous proportions but somewhat similar.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 30, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The owners with money are out numbered.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 30, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Stop living in the past tense James. Do you really think that the owners will stick together this time? If the players, if being the operative word considering the shape the NHLPA is in right now, continue to push the owners may not be so fortified this time.
The next CBA is going to be intersting. Chaos could ensue.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 31, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What exactly has changed to give the players an advantage in this situation? The past is about to repeat itself.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 31, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re assuming the players are more unified than the owners. They are not.

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by Doogie2K on Nov 2, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It didn’t work in terms of on-ice success all the time, but worked in terms of Buffalo putting out a decent product in the pre-lockout NHL where they couldn’t afford to buy talent.

As James said, there’s maybe a handful of teams (10-12) who are the year-to-year big boys in the NHL who can spend to whatever the cap is and still turn a tidy profit. They’re outnumbered.

by Afino on Oct 30, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t Buffalo make the finals with those teams? No they didn’t win a cup, but it’s not like they weren’t extremely competitive.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 30, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conference finals in ‘98, Cup finals in ’99. It’s not a ring, but in a 26- or 27-team league, that’s nothing to sneeze at.

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by Doogie2K on Oct 31, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great point...

… about Buffalo’s lack of Cup success during Hasek’s tenure. By the way, what does the ‘61’ in your username mean?

by BleedBlue42 on Oct 30, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Coming from the one fanbase everyone else likes to needle about their own drought, that’s a double burn. Nicely done.

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by Doogie2K on Oct 31, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh, he’s actually a Blues fan. I guess they’ve got a good drought going, too.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 31, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting that a Leafs reporter would toss in a few jabs about Cup droughts considering how successful the Leafs have been lately in that department. ‘67 isn’t as bad as ‘61 but it isn’t much better either.

As for Buffalo they did have some reasonable success with Hasek but nobody celebrates a 2nd place finish in any sport. Just ask the Bills.

The Blues don’t belong here considering they have never won a Cup period so there is really no drought, as you have to at least win one to start one.

In the end, Nashville is in a dire need of a on-ice makeover that has to start with the removal of head boss Barry Trotz. An exciting product couldn’t help in getting a few more faces in the Sommet Center.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 31, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

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by James Mirtle on Oct 31, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected; at least the Blues have been to the Finals since ’67. ;)

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by Doogie2K on Oct 31, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Technically, yes...

… or at least, that’s what I read in the books. I was an embryo the last time they got that far, so I have to rely on the accounts of others.

But that pronounced lack of success has a lot to do with why I don’t go running around internet forums getting butthurt about the “lack of success” other team’s styles bring. My own team has had plenty of unsuccessful playing styles; I don’t need to leave my own back yard to whine.

by BleedBlue42 on Oct 31, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It refers to the last time the Hawks won the Cup. I guess you could be like me but we’ll both agree that Blues0 or BluesNEVER wouldn’t be a good fit.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Oct 31, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 20,000-seat arena

I think you’re hitting on something here, James —

Once upon a time, 14,000 fans showing up to a hockey game used to be pretty good, right?

Now we’ve got arenas in some of the larger markets that seat 20,000+ (and can be filled), which has moved up the benchmark in terms of how we view the health of a franchise, despite the fact that there are very few markets that can fit into that upper echelon of attendance numbers.

The perception has become that 14,000 isn’t a very good crowd for hockey. Sure, it’s not fantastic, but there are currently 12 teams trending at fewer than 16,000, so it’s not really trailing the peloton by all that much.

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by PRC on Oct 30, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the games in Nashville I went to was during the week against Phoenix, and they announced 15,000 in the building. And it looked pretty well full from where I was sitting behind one goal.

The Preds really don’t have dirt cheap tickets either.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 30, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much are the Preds into free ticket promotions etc. a la Panthers/Phoenix… if they aren’t and are putting 14000+ into the building they are doing very well vis-a-vis the kind of ticket disasters we keep hearing about in the press.

Also, it should be noted that Tennessee is seeing an influx of population at the moment due to a good education system, decent state management and taxation compared to say California. The Preds are potentially in a decent growth market in that way too.

by rsm on Oct 30, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their announced attendance was just over 15,000 but their paid attendance has been more than 14,000, I believe, the past couple years. It’s decent given the market, ticket prices and the size of the building.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 31, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Nashville’s a great example of what the NHL’s been trying to do to grow the league. You’ll always have traditionalists who say that the NHL should have fewer teams in only cold and snowy markets, but the point of growing the league is to increase the NHL’s fan base. A quick fix like putting a team in Wisconsin isn’t necessarily going to change anything – see Chicago a few years ago where they had their own attendance issues.

And we all know that hockey doesn’t translate well to TV, so putting a team somewhere new and unusual is the next best thing. Yes, it is a big risk. No, success is not going to happen over night. And no, maybe the building won’t be consistently full for a long time – even if the team is successful. But it’s a long term commitment – that’s the whole point.

I’ve watched hockey games in Nashville, Tampa Bay, and Atlanta – as well as in Vancouver, BC, Philadelphia, and New Jersey – the crowds are great and enthusiastic. Perhaps there aren’t always a lot of them, and perhaps they aren’t all that knowledgeable about the game, but they’re growing and getting better. People in the American South are just as passionate as those in Canada. They just need to have the game marketed to them in the way that they’re accustomed to.

People just need to see the game in person to love the game; that’s all.

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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 30, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess the question for everyone that never gets asked is: Is it worth it to prop these teams up, perhaps for decades, with revenue sharing? Because I don’t see a way for the Predators to become profitable.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 30, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love it or hate it, that’s the Bettman Plan in a nutshell.

It’s not about the profitability of franchises, it’s about expanding the league’s reach. It’s about those lucrative national TV contracts that never came about.

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by PRC on Oct 30, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that’s totally true – because the NHL has no idea how to market the game. Hockey doesn’t need to be marketed in Canada. You put a teams somewhere, and people will come, regardless. But here in the States, you have to do the marketing. And it doesn’t have to be focused around a single player – tho most sports find it’s easier to do it that way – it just has to be done. Even the NY Yankees and Dallas Cowboys do marketing.

The NHL (and its member teams) just haven’t quite figured that out yet.

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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 30, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very few NHL teams are profitable in their own right.

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by Cassie McClellan on Oct 30, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on what you do with those decades.

Dallas and Phoenix provide case studies on how to cultivate a fan base, or how to destroy one.

by BleedBlue42 on Oct 30, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas is just a far, far bigger market than Nashville will ever be.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 31, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, James? You don’t see a way?

It is impossible for the team to eventually comprise a significant part of the city’s fabric?

There is NO way for the team to sell its tickets and suites and sponsorships at higher prices?

I don’t know how you can reach such a definitive conclusion, particularly in the absence of business data which would demonstrate same.

BTW, I assume that by “profitable” you mean “profitable withotu revenue sharing”, since they have reached profitability with the benefit of revenue sharing.

by Gerald on Oct 30, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, profitable without revenue sharing.

Looking at how far they are from that point now (about $15-million), there’s an incredible way to go. It is impossible for the team to comprise a significant part of the city’s fabric in the near term — they’re a niche sport, but will never overtake the Titans as the dominant team. It’s also a small market, so the corporate dollars aren’t plentiful.

Even if the Predators sell another 2,000 tickets a game during the regular season and get six or seven home playoff dates, they are still millions from profitability without revenue sharing. The chances they can hit those targets every year, while still keeping the payroll near the salary floor, are very, very remote. On the business side, as I mentioned, there’s limited room for growth. There’s certainly some, but not enough that they’re suddenly going to be moving luxury boxes and sponsorships for vastly higher prices.

I don’t even see it as such a terrible thing that they rely on revenue sharing. That’s really the only option if the league insists on having 30 teams because there just aren’t that many hockey markets that can sustain a $40-million payroll otherwise. It’s probably best if we think of Nashville as a small market team in a growing area of North America with a fanbase that’s still building toward something.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 31, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

An “incredible way to go”? In business terms, that descriptor does not really hold much water. That would require about a 25% revenue growth, which would be impressive but hardly incredible in a developing market.

An extra 2,000 tickets (and I am only using that as an example that you referenced) would kick in an extra $4 million in ticket revenue, plus maybe $250-500 k in concession revenue (all figures annual).

I would expect that the greater opportunities are in suite and sponsorship revenue (the REAL revenue story for all NHL teams, even though people always focus on the ticket revenue). At ~$55-60 million or so in revenue, and given the anecdotal history of the franchise, I would warrant that the shortfalls are in the prices that they charge for those items. They are arguably also the areas where a team who becomes a more integral part of the community and a good corproate citizen can jack up those revenues by a far greater percentage than is available for tickets.

As the controller of the arena in all respects, they can also drive suite demand on the hockey end by booking more and continuously better non-hockey events. That too would arguably drive the price of the suites, a portion of which will rub off on the team operations, both in terms of fully exploiting their inventory and in terms of the price that they can charge. There are a lot of synergy opportunities there, which is why so many teams seek such an arrangement.

None of that is to say that they can ever be a top-ten team. By definition, that club is limited to ten teams. They can certainly be profitable down the road in the right circumstances if they make the right moves. It is certainly true that they have less room for error, but to suggest that they can NEVER achieve profitability on their own? I don’t know about that.

I agree with your point about being reliant on revenue sharing. Reveneu sharing will go to someone. If NASH meets its criteria so that it is growing faster than the rest of the league, the entire point of revenue sharing is to facilitate that level of growth.

by Gerald on Oct 31, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As an aside, I had assumed that you were saying they could NEVER achieve profitability on their own. Is that assumption correct, or are you referring to simply the near term?

by Gerald on Oct 31, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Long term is too difficult to forecast, really. Freeman’s counting on the kids who go to games now being his big buyers 15 years from now — who’s to say that can’t happen?

Until then, I don’t see it happening. They need revenue sharing to afford the meagre payroll they have now.

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by James Mirtle on Oct 31, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we are sort of agreed then. The time horizons that I am contemplating above are indeed lng term, and I would acknowledge that the crystal ball is murky.

Mind you, I would hope that he is not counting on the kids. The mobility of populations over the past number of decades makes it foolhardy at best to rely on kids as your future customers. All this nonsense that gets spouted on the internet about “grassroots” and getting kids hooked on the game or getting kids playing is just that – utter nonsense.

by Gerald on Oct 31, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Utter nonsense.”? When Philly came in the league they were drawing about 8,000 per night and didn’t become huge until the Stanley Cups and have been huge ever since. Who do you think is going to the games in Philly these days? Is it the same ones that went in 1967? No, its the KIDS that were brought up with the Flyers always being there. If you aren’t relying on kids to be future customers, who should you be relying on? Let’s just wait until the kids turn 20 and then we can work on them becoming fans. Your ideas intrigue me, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

by Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo on Nov 12, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would be lying if I (or anyone) said that hockey in Nashville is a natural fit, so I completely understand the “purists” point of view. But, what about those that love the game of hockey and want to share it with as many people as possible?

No one seems to look beyond the Predator’s current standings or payroll number when discussing the state of hockey in Nashville. If you really want to know what hockey means to us in Nashville, you should go to a high school game that didn’t exist before the Pred’s came here. Or go to one of a dozen rinks that have been built recently and are now full of kids learning to skate and play hockey. These kids can’t buy Pred’s tickets now, but they will some day.

I was as surprised as anyone when they announced the arrival of hockey in Nashville, but regardless of their record or salary woes, the team has bent over backwards to help nurture the sport of hockey in the area. Anyone that loves hockey should acknowledge that is a good thing.

It’s natural for fans of any sport to debate the performance of their team and others, so feel free to praise or disparage the teams performance on the ice. However, you shouldn’t judge the acceptance of hockey or the affect it has had in our communities without getting outside the Sommet Center.

by sfrizzell on Oct 31, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In a lot of ways, it is a good thing, but I’m wondering if it’s (a) sustainable and (b) whether Nashville will ever be self-sufficient (without revenue sharing).

You could put hockey franchise anywhere and everywhere, but if the team is never profitable, ownership issues can have a major impact on the success of said team.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Oct 31, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs


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