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2010 Olympics: Picking Team Canada

With the Canadian Olympic brass finally set to name their roster a week from today, expect a whole bunch of these lists over the coming days. For mine, I've tried to offer a bit of a statistical bent — although without relying solely on numbers to pick the team.

All of the stats I'm using are from Behind The Net and prior to last night's games. The metrics are "rating," an advanced form of plus-minus; "quality of competition," which measures the strength of opponents; "points per 60 minutes"; and "on ice goals for and goals against per 60 minutes" (along with goal differential).

Players that scored the highest across the board are ranked higher and those marked in yellow are my picks for the team. Keep in mind that this is based solely on even-strength play, so some of these players offer more on the PP and PK that's not ranked here.

Goaltenders

I didn't delve too deeply into the netminder side of things simply because there are only three Canadian-born goalies with more than 11 wins this season, and they'll be the ones that make the team: Martin Brodeur, Roberto Luongo and Marc-Andre Fleury.

Should one go down to injury, I'm not even sure who No. 4 would be given their play this season. Canada's famed depth at the position isn't all that evident this year.

Defencemen

Into the numbers we go. I've included 12 blueliners I think represent both those talked about and those who should be considered for the team (with my choices to make it in yellow):

 NAME TM RATING QCMP P/60 GF/60 GA/60 GF-GA
1  BRENT SEABROOK CHI 0.72 0.16 0.95 2.54 1.69 0.85
2  MIKE GREEN WSH 0.84 -0.02 1.65 4.22 2.57 1.65
3  CHRIS PRONGER PHI 0.90 0.11 1.06 2.02 1.64 0.39
4  DREW DOUGHTY L.A 1.08 0.00 1.10 2.99 2.19 0.80
5  DUNCAN KEITH CHI -0.28 0.14 1.44 2.34 1.98 0.36
6  DAN BOYLE S.J 0.31 0.00 1.19 3.47 2.56 0.91
7  SHEA WEBER NSH 0.55 0.08 0.84 3.13 2.40 0.73
8  MARC-EDOUARD VLASIC S.J -0.36 0.09 0.79 2.68 2.19 0.50
9  JAY BOUWMEESTER CGY 0.10 0.02 0.37 2.25 1.78 0.47
10  SCOTT NIEDERMAYER ANA -1.13 0.11 0.75 2.14 3.20 -1.07
11  DION PHANEUF CGY -0.34 0.05 0.67 2.99 2.79 0.19
12  ROBYN REGEHR CGY -1.31 0.05 0.74 2.33 2.76 -0.42

Star-divide

If we were to go strictly by the numbers, Niedermayer wouldn't make the team, and Doughty and Weber would. Both youngsters have had great seasons and given some of the other teams I've seen picked, they have a lot of popular support.

My reasoning was putting together three really solid pairings: One made up of Keith and Seabrook, as they've been the best duo on the NHL this season (save for maybe last night); One made up of veterans Niedermayer and Pronger, who had a lot of success together in Anaheim; and one made up of Bouwmeester and either Green or Boyle, a solid third pairing with one excellent defensive player and an excellent offensive one.

Doughty's youth concerns me more than anything, as I saw plenty of games last season when he was still overmatched. He's going to be a pillar on the Canadian blueline going forward, however, and may go as the No. 7 just to gain some experience.

Weber meanwhile just gets lost in the numbers game. He'll also play a major role with Canada down the line.

Phaneuf and Regehr, however, rank last among the metrics I've used here and shouldn't in my mind make the team. There are other players available who do what they do better.

Forwards

Once again, I've included 32 forwards I think represent both those talked about and those who should be considered for the team (with my choices to make it in yellow):

 NAME TM RATING QCMP P/60 GF/60 GA/60 GF-GA
1  SIDNEY CROSBY PIT 1.68 0.12 3.37 4.27 2.58 1.68
2  NATHAN HORTON FLA 2.03 0.09 2.82 3.61 2.71 0.90
3  JOE THORNTON S.J 1.25 0.07 3.04 3.82 2.25 1.57
4  JONATHAN TOEWS CHI 1.71 0.09 1.92 3.25 1.48 1.77
5  PATRICK MARLEAU S.J 1.50 0.02 3.18 4.12 2.35 1.77
6  DUSTIN PENNER EDM 2.31 -0.04 3.28 4.13 2.67 1.46
7  RYAN SMYTH L.A 2.13 -0.04 2.59 4.18 2.59 1.59
8  MIKE FISHER OTT 1.13 0.09 2.21 2.86 2.21 0.65
9  RYAN GETZLAF ANA 1.25 0.07 2.58 3.33 2.90 0.43
10  PATRICE BERGERON BOS 0.31 0.18 2.43 3.07 2.81 0.26
11  MIKE CAMMALLERI MTL 2.16 0.04 2.11 3.22 2.32 0.91
12  DANY HEATLEY S.J 0.54 0.08 2.28 3.69 2.61 1.09
13  VINCENT LECAVALIER T.B 1.15 0.06 2.37 2.75 2.25 0.50
14  PATRICK SHARP CHI 1.26 0.06 1.93 2.96 1.55 1.42
15  JAMES NEAL DAL 0.95 0.03 2.83 3.67 3.11 0.57
16  JAROME IGINLA CGY -0.13 0.10 2.43 2.75 2.43 0.32
17  COREY PERRY ANA 0.91 0.08 2.31 3.41 3.19 0.22
18  STEPHEN WEISS FLA 0.55 0.11 2.15 2.82 2.94 -0.11
19  MARTIN ST. LOUIS T.B 0.45 0.09 2.22 2.92 2.92 0.00
20  MIKE RICHARDS PHI 0.58 0.10 1.37 2.23 1.99 0.25
21  BRENDEN MORROW DAL 1.18 0.04 1.58 2.79 2.06 0.73
22  JASON ARNOTT NSH 0.89 0.01 2.03 3.05 2.03 1.02
23  BRAD RICHARDS DAL 0.29 0.03 2.87 3.52 3.39 0.13
24  ERIC STAAL CAR 0.91 0.08 2.00 3.33 3.83 -0.50
25  JORDAN STAAL PIT -0.11 0.04 2.20 2.93 2.44 0.49
26  STEVEN STAMKOS T.B 0.24 0.09 2.09 3.00 3.13 -0.13
27  JASON SPEZZA OTT -0.61 0.16 1.37 2.33 2.88 -0.55
28  MARC SAVARD BOS 0.23 0.04 2.03 2.25 2.03 0.23
29  JOHN TAVARES NYI 0.65 0.03 1.33 2.54 2.66 -0.12
30  JEFF CARTER PHI -0.68 0.05 1.62 2.24 2.86 -0.62
31  SHANE DOAN PHX -1.12 0.05 1.07 2.01 2.49 -0.47
32  RICK NASH CBJ -0.69 0.03 2.01 2.90 4.01 -1.11

Nash, like Niedermayer, gets a pass because of his experience, both in the NHL and internationally, but neither are having great years. Doan, Carter, Staal, etc. aren't so lucky and I'd leave them behind.

Crosby is, by almost every measure, the top Canadian forward. Thornton, Iginla and Toews are three more no-brainers, and given their success, I think it makes sense to take Thornton's Sharks linemates Marleau and Heatley and try and squeeze some of that chemistry into Team Canada.

Getzlaf-Perry and St. Louis-Lecavalier are two duos to keep together, meanwhile, and all four have been playing better of late even though their teams have struggled. That leaves Richards and Fisher as my depth guys to win faceoffs and kill penalties, which both can do with the best of them.

If you're not a Fisher fan, Sharp and Bergeron could also fill that 13th forward role well.

As for players who are playing well who I left behind, keep in mind that the statistics are only based on 34 or 35 games to this point. Sure, Horton's been a stud in the early going, but his entire body of work isn't enough to get him a spot at the Olympics. Ditto for Penner, Cammalleri and Neal — although don't be surprised if these are the sorts of players we're talking about four years from now.

There's my picks — drop a note in the comments or as a FanPost with yours.

Happy holidays everyone.

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Biggest surprises to me: No Weber and Lecavalier over Stamkos. Also surprised to see the data on Doan, I haven’t seen too much of Phoenix but I would have bet his GF/GA numbers would have been better.

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by Hooks Orpik on Dec 23, 2009 3:24 PM CST reply actions  

Doaner has not looked great this season. Actually I think he’s been off for a couple of years. They can’t seem to find linemates who gel with him. No way I’d pick him.

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by CP2Devil on Dec 23, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Weber’s a very tough call… numbers game really. He’d be my No. 8. Stamkos isn’t close, really.

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by James Mirtle on Dec 24, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Sharp over Fisher

Sharp’s GF/60 and GA/60 are better to the tune of almost a goal per 60 minutes.

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by PPP on Dec 23, 2009 3:31 PM CST reply actions  

Sharp over Fisher?

You obviously haven’t watched him play much this season as he has been very disappointing to date. Too many games the Sharp-shooter has been virtually invisible this season and hasn’t been on the PK much this season either or in critical situations and now with Hossa back from injury it’s probably not going to get any better. Fisher deserves to be on Team Canada as he has been a difference maker all season for Ottawa, where Sharp has been a ghost for most of the season in Chicago.

Trust me I’m a big fan of Sharpie’s but he hasn’t played well enough to deserve a spot on this team. At least not this year.

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by hawks61 on Dec 23, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

Haven’t watched much Hawks which is why I was looking at the numbers James posted.

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by PPP on Dec 24, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure but he’s playing on the strongest team in the league for goal differential.

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by James Mirtle on Dec 24, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m shocked someone finally agreed that Green deserves to be there. I owe you a beer, my friend.

by DrinkingPartner on Dec 23, 2009 3:43 PM CST reply actions  

The nice thing about being able to dress 7D is that you can have an offence only defenceman on the roster without being hurt.

If I had my choice, Perry wouldn’t be there, but that is mostly because he is a punk than because of a lack of ability.

by Resolute on Dec 23, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, the old “offense-only defenseman” comment.

As any Green fan will tell you, he’s far better on defense than he’s given credit for. James himself will tell you that.

Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.

by RedBirdie on Dec 23, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve got issues taking Green over Doughty. I love Green, but Doughty is playing better.

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by CP2Devil on Dec 23, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

GA/60: 2.57

9th out of 12.

Congrats, he’s 9th out of 12 instead of 12th out of 12.

by Afino on Dec 23, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

He is not, however, better at defence than a single other player on that list.

by Resolute on Dec 23, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

League-wide? Yes.
In the context of the best Canadian players? No.

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by PPP on Dec 24, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Can’t believe you left off Weber. Sure, the numbers aren’t like last year but he’s too big and too good to stay home.

by Chris Burton on Dec 23, 2009 5:05 PM CST reply actions  

One made up of Keith and Seabrook, as they’ve been the best duo on the NHL this season (save for maybe last night)

I remember Seabrook in particular having problems with Joe Thornton last year too. Nice to know that he’ll be playing behind the line that gave him so much trouble instead of head to head against them.

by hawksfan21 on Dec 23, 2009 5:29 PM CST reply actions  

So we’re going to blame them for giving the Sharks massive total of 14 shots – for the entire game?

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by hawks61 on Dec 23, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Box Score

Nobody’s blaming them for anything, but James claimed they didn’t have a fantastic game Tuesday night, and he’s right. Keith was -2, Seabrook was -3. The stat isn’t perfect but it’s enough evidence to say they weren’t All-Stars on Tuesday.

by hawksfan21 on Dec 24, 2009 3:09 AM CST up reply actions  

What about the other games against the Sharks this season? I seem to recall the Hawks getting their asses handed to them two or three weeks ago.

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by Doogie2K on Dec 24, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Er, Sharks. Stupid no-edits. I seem to recall the Sharks getting their asses handed to them two or three weeks ago. (And I looked, it was actually a month ago.)

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by Doogie2K on Dec 24, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Well that one obviously had a nice Blackhawk slant to it. I don’t know exact details about that game (and since I’d have to go back farther than a day, I will be too lazy to look them up) but it would be safe to say Seabrook and Keith had good games.

One thing I do know is that Seabrook’s physical style doesn’t work too well against someone as large as Joe Thornton. I don’t intend to sound like I think that pairing can’t handle the Sharks’ top line, only to explore how awesome it will be to watch them all in the same jersey.

by hawksfan21 on Dec 24, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Thornton-Marleau-Heatley all together? On Team Canada? Do we really need these three to get past the preliminary rounds because once the medal rounds start we all know what will happen with those three. Medal Rounds=Playoffs.

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by hawks61 on Dec 23, 2009 6:18 PM CST reply actions  

I don't know about you,

but I think these stats are pretty sexy:
Credit to here

Dany Heatley’s only been in the playoffs 3 times but he’s got 35 points in 34 games. I wouldn’t call that terrible.

Joe Thornton has 53 points (12+41) in 76 games. Those stats aren’t as nice, but he’s an assist man. He’s not going to make much assists if no ones going to score for him.

I’m not saying these three are great in the playoffs or anything, but there not as bad as you would like them to be.

by idunno723 on Dec 23, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

that image is awesome, I’m saving it for future reference.

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by Karina on Dec 23, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s also ironic in that an image designed to highlight Marleau’s playoff success features a picture from one of the Sharks more impressive playoff collapses.

by Resolute on Dec 24, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I chose that picture because I felt it showed that Marleau was the guy that always pushed through everything to try and win in the playoffs. In that picture, he had been run from behind twice, with no response by his teammates. And yet, he still played on as hard as he could. It’s more of a commentary about Patrick Marleau as an individual rather than the Sharks as a team.

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by mymclife on Dec 24, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

“Run from behind twice” lol. I can’t remember if he turned his back before Phaneuf hit him, but Sarich got him straight on.

Though it is a good pic for the intent. I like Marleau. .

by Resolute on Dec 24, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe not run from behind, but one of the hits was used as evidence at the GM meetings to promote penalties for unnecessary contact after icings. Sorry about the wrong info, though.

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by mymclife on Dec 25, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

That Sarich hit was one of my favourites from the playoffs that year. He got everything on that one.

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by Doogie2K on Dec 26, 2009 1:22 AM CST up reply actions  

On Marleau

Where does he rank in Stanley Cup Finals totals? I can’t seem to find him anywhere. You know where you can find the likes of Eric Staal, Sidney Crosby, Jarome Iginla, Ryan Smyth, and the rest of the 18 skaters that have played in the Finals before.
And after watching the three games against the ‘Hawks he won’t be going there again this season either.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Dec 23, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

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And that’s his fault exactly how? Hockey’s a team sport he can’t do it all himself. Ilya Kovalchuk’s been in the playoffs once, and I wouldn’t exactly call him a crappy player for that.

And after watching the three games against the ‘Hawks he won’t be going there again this season either.

Really? SERIOUSLY? Are you reading what you write? You’re already assuming Sharks early round exit based on what, THREE games?

 If I learned one thing from people like you, who love the talk shit on the Sharks, regular season does not matter. If you really think the Sharks are gonna play like that, that’s absolutely ridiculous. First, it was 3 games. 3 GAMES. That’s a ridiculously small sample size. Three games does not reflect how a team will play in the playoffs, or in any game for that matter. (Oh hey look I watched 3 Hawks game this season, they lost all three. I’m definitely sure they’re gonna suck it up in the playoffs.) Second, it was the first half of the season. I think it’s possible for a team to get better as the season progresses or is that just another radical idea?

by idunno723 on Dec 24, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

If you’ve read what he writes you’ll learn that he’s not worth paying attention to for your health’s sake.

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by PPP on Dec 24, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

This coming from your selection of Sharp over Fisher based on numbers and not individual play? Haven’t watched much of the best team of the West? Your loss I guess.

It’s makes me laugh as soon as someone disagrees with your comments it becomes an all-out assault on them. If your that protective about your posts maybe you should start your own blog that only you can access. It’s just a sports blog and not serious business.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Dec 24, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

All I was pointing out was that Sharp had better numbers than Fisher based on what James had posted.

Is that assertion incorrect? Let’s take a look:

8 MIKE FISHER OTT 1.13 0.09 2.21 2.86 2.21 0.65

14 PATRICK SHARP CHI 1.26 0.06 1.93 2.96 1.55 1.42

Nope. In the three most important numbers for the role that the 13th forward will be asked to play Patrick Sharp’s numbers are better. Now, you brought up the PK but didn’t offer up any numbers so I took a look at them for you:

2010
Sharp TOI 1.11 GF 1 GA 3 +/- – 3.5 ON/60
Fisher TOI 2.36 GF 2 GA 9 +/- – 5.1 ON/60

2009
Sharp TOI 0.71 GF 1 GA 3 +/- – 2.77 ON/60
Fisher TOI 2.27 GF 4 GA 23 +/- – 6.44 ON/60

So there you go. Sharp’s A free lesson in how to make an argument. Hope you took notes.

It is definitely my loss that I am unable to catch as many games in the West as I would like to. Sadly, I don’t have Centre Ice.

It’s makes me laugh as soon as someone disagrees with your comments it becomes an all-out assault on them.

HAHAHAHAHA you’re lecturing ME about making things personal? Aren’t you the guy that had to apology for throwing a hissy fit in Second City Hockey’s game day thread when the Leafs played them?

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by PPP on Dec 24, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

That just tells me Sharp barely plays the PK for the Hawks. Why would he be the guy to carry the mail in the Olympics on the top team?

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by James Mirtle on Dec 24, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Throwing a hissy fit when the Leafs played them? What are you talking about? Geesh, talking about making stuff up.

As for Sharp he rarely ever receives PK time on the ‘Hawks anymore and once Bolland and Burish return it will diminish even greater to the point of extinction. He’s a good player but he hasn’t been his usual self to this point of the season where Fisher has been a stand-out.
What’s fair is fair!

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by hawks61 on Dec 25, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Did I just get your grill a little hot? It’s just a little trash-talking that’s all. You shouldn’t get too hyped up over the Sharks playoff failures as there are many teams that have failed miserably in the playoffs.
Can’t say I dislike the Sharks based on that Wilson (who should be in the Hall Of Fame), Couture, Staubitz, Joslin, and McGinn are all former Ottawa 67’s. Heatley is Heatley and who knows what really happened there. And I do agree that Marleau has taken way too much of the blame for the failures of San Jose much like Yzerman in the 90’s with Detroit.
San Jose is great team and will be for a long time so let’s just sit back and enjoy what should be an exciting rivalry for years to come between these two powerhouses in the West.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Dec 24, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

It’s just annoying to read the same crap over and over and over and over again. As for trash talking: 1961

by idunno723 on Dec 24, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Point taken. This should be a great rivalry for years to come that’s for sure.
By the way, Merry Christmas to all Sharks fans!

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Dec 25, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Tossing in past playoff failures to say that the NHL’s current points leader (Thornton) and two top five goal scorers (Heatley, Marleau) should be left off the team reeks of something bordering on the asinine to me. I’ve read your comments here, and agree with a lot you have to say, but please save us those tired lines. San Jose’s top three have the talent to make the roster, the production to make the roster, deserve to make the roster, and will make the roster.

Historically, San Jose has been done in by inconsistent secondary scoring, shaky goaltending, and a defensive unit that lacks a shutdown presence. Thornton and Marleau have unfairly shouldered the blame for this, despite their respectable numbers.

No one’s saying these guys have a “hop on my back I’m going to carry you” mentality befitted for the likes of Joe Sakic, but they will produce for Team Canada.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 24, 2009 5:57 AM CST up reply actions  

No, historically, any team Joe Thornton has been on has been done in by Thornton’s springtime disappearing act. Most over-rated player of his generation.

by garth the hoser on Dec 25, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Every team Mario Lemieux had been on from 1984-90 did jack. I guess Mario was overrated before 1991?

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by Doogie2K on Dec 26, 2009 1:23 AM CST up reply actions  

How many Stanley Cup finals have the Hawks played in the last 15 years?

Good game.

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by Doogie2K on Dec 24, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Doughty’s youth concerns me more than anything, as I saw plenty of games last season

Are they playing this game in the past or something?

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by RudyKelly on Dec 23, 2009 7:07 PM CST reply actions  

35 good games does not an Olympic roster selection make.

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by James Mirtle on Dec 24, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

… or else we’d be taking Dustin Penner, and I don’t think he’s on very many list. I’d love to take Doughty too, but if James is already cutting Weber, then this is looking like our deepest position by far.

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by Back In Black on Dec 24, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

A few disagreements....

first, and I know this was probably your hardest choice, I have to have Weber on the team if I’m team Canada. I’d leave off Niedermayer… learn from your past mistakes of taking veterans with a big name over more deserving younger players.

At forward, I’d take Stamkos over Lecavalier, Sharp and Morrow over St. Louis and Fisher. Obviously you damned canucks are stacked any way you slice it.

by disposablehero on Dec 23, 2009 7:14 PM CST reply actions  

St. Louis is one of those players who makes whoever he’s playing with better. He’ll be great on Team Canada.

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by Karina on Dec 23, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah… he’s one of those guys whose effort level is never left wanting, really.

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by James Mirtle on Dec 24, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

If I’m picking the team, St. Louis is on it without a second thought.

by Bosc Ulrich on Dec 26, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Just not as stacked as the Russians and the Swedes. Let’s face it Canada is in tough to even get a medal in this tournament as it’s usually turned into a massive clusterfuck for us and with the Russians being as powerful as they appear to be it will take a miraculous effort to upset them. It’s Russia’s Gold to lose that’s for sure.

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by hawks61 on Dec 23, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Let’s face it Canada is in tough to even get a medal

/stunned

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by PPP on Dec 24, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

If you’ve read what he writes you’ll learn that he’s not worth paying attention to for your health’s sake.

Yet you reply to every one of my posts hmmm….very interesting indeed.

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by hawks61 on Dec 24, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Do as I say not as I do

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by PPP on Dec 24, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

So you’re saying don’t cheer for the Leafs? It’ll be hard but I’ll try. ;)

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by Doogie2K on Dec 24, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

learn from your past mistakes of taking veterans with a big name over more deserving younger players.

I must say that your screen name ties very nicely with your point. Enjoyed that.

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by Mr. Plank on Dec 24, 2009 6:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Boy, if I thought it was remotely realistic to leave Niedermayer off, I would. Weber’s a real solid player, and is probably going ahead of Seabrook, but I liked having that team chemistry on the club.

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by James Mirtle on Dec 24, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Russia

I agree with hawks61. Both San Jose’s Evgeni Nabokov and Phoenix’s Ilya Bryzgalov are playing well in the nets. I think Malkin and Ovechkin will have very strong tournaments.

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by guy@hockeybias on Dec 24, 2009 12:17 AM CST reply actions  

Nash, like Niedermayer, gets a pass because of his experience, both in the NHL and internationally, but neither are having great years. Doan, Carter, Staal, etc. aren’t so lucky and I’d leave them behind.

Willis has noted that Nash is likely a victim of bad goaltending (along with the entire Columbus Blue Jackets hockey club), so I don’t know that his massive minus is much to be concerned about this year.

Also, with the season he was having before getting hurt, there’s no way Good Soldier Ryan Smyth doesn’t make the team. I would be stunned. I dunno who gets left behind for him (Richards?), but Hockey Canada’s MO has always been to reward those who’ve been willing to return for World Championships again and again, surgery notwithstanding. See also Doan, Shane.

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by Doogie2K on Dec 24, 2009 9:08 AM CST reply actions  

Oh, and I forgot: Shea Weber should make this team somehow. I’d almost be inclined to leave Niedermayer at home to make room.

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by Doogie2K on Dec 24, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah. I’d almost leave JayBo off to put Weber on (if we’re going with a good O and a good D on that last pairing). Personally Weber-JayBo with Doughty as the 7th sounds best to me. Or even Weber-Boyle, JayBo 7th.

by Vinn on Dec 24, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but these are my picks, not theirs! I agree that the old dogs likely all get rewarded, as they usually do.

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by James Mirtle on Dec 24, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I know. Just saying, there’s good statistical reason to take Smyth, in addition to his longstanding ties with Hockey Canada. He’s really helped Kopitar reach another level.

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by Doogie2K on Dec 26, 2009 1:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Smyth and Weber

both deserve to on this team. Besides that I think these are really good picks.

by Ebscer on Dec 24, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

Me, I’d leave Lecavalier off the team – he’s just seemed ordinary for too long. I don’t want Fisher either. His 15 goals this year are impressive; his 13 goals last season are not. On my roster, I don’t have room for anyone without offensive talent I believe in. There are already lots of good faceoff guys on the roster.

In place of those two I’d take two of Stamkos, Bergeron, Savard or Morrow. Or even Tavares. I guess if you make me pick today I’ll take Stamkos and Bergeron.

On defense, I’d like to take Weber, but I don’t know who of Seabrook, Green or Boyle that I’d drop to make room. Can’t lose, might as well go with James’s picks. I’d love to find room for Doughty, but I guess this is just the last year of his career that he misses the cut.

And I’m glad we only have to name three goalies; otherwise it looks like Turco, Mason and Price, and I’m not very comfortable with any of them.

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by Back In Black on Dec 24, 2009 10:34 PM CST reply actions  


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