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Brodeur's shutouts: Breaking the unbreakable

When asked about the next record to fall to Brodeur, Lemaire said: "One hundred and four shutouts? I think it’ll never be broken. Never."

Which is what people used to say about Sawchuk’s 103 shutouts.

"That’s one record I never expected anybody to beat," Pronovost said, referring to his old roommate’s mark. "I’m glad it was Marty who did it."

— The New York Times

Rank Player SO
T1 Terry Sawchuk* 103
T1
Martin Brodeur 103
3 George Hainsworth* 94
4 Glenn Hall* 84
5 Jacques Plante* 82
T6 Tiny Thompson* 81
 T6 Dominik Hasek 81
 T6 Alec Connell* 81
T9 Ed Belfour 76
 T9 Tony Esposito* 76

What's interesting about Martin Brodeur's latest record chase is that he hasn't exactly been passing contemporaries since the lockout. They're ghosts of hockey's past.

Sawchuk died two years before Brodeur was born. Hainsworth died 20 years before that. Mr. Goalie Glenn Hall is alive and well at 78, but Plante — the first man to wear a mask — passed on in 1986.

The only players from his era on the list are more than 20 shutouts behind (Patrick Roy is almost 40 back), something that's a credit to Brodeur's longevity as much as his brilliance. This season, he became the netminder who has played the most minutes in NHL history, but at 37, he's still elite, leading the league in wins so far and right up there in save percentage.

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And, in something that doesn't get talked about enough, he has two more years to play on his current contract, the end of which he'll be 40 years old and likely way, way out in front in several of the key netminding categories.

Consider that, if he posts three 30-win seasons to cap things off, he'll be about 100 out in front of second-place Roy.

Gabe Desjardins has a good post this week comparing the feats of Sawchuk and Brodeur, looking at their eras and the number of shutouts when they played. Here's his conclusion:

Brodeur has outclassed the average NHL goaltender well into his 30s, while Sawchuk was basically at league-average by Age 26.  It's difficult to compare 1951-52, when half of the league's goalies played every minute of their team's games, to the modern era — with almost all of the NHL's six goalies in any given season now inducted into the Hall of Fame, it's possible that the average goaltender was simply better back then.  But with Europeans and Americans joining the game in large numbers in the 1990s, it's difficult to argue that the NHL wasn't proportionately better than it was 40 years earlier.  Brodeur's accomplishment — both overall, and in his peak years — absolutely eclipses Sawchuk's.

Something tells me we're going to talk about Brodeur's shutout number for a long, long time. Only, given he's got another 150-plus games to go, he's going to leave even the ghosts far, far behind.

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It will be broken. The NHL has cycles that it goes through in terms of goal scoring. Think of the last 20 or so years, we had the run and gun days of the 80s Oilers and into the early 90s, followed by the clutch and grab era of the mid 90s to the early 00s, and now we’re in an open era of more scoring (not at the 80s level mind you, but certainly above that of the clutch and grab era). There are so many variables involved in setting a record like this; from coaching styles, to different rules being implemented to different types of players, and skills being preached to young players.

Granted, I’d be fairly comfortable in saying that Brodeur’s record won’t be broken much sooner than the 40 or so years that Sawchuk’s record stood.

by Belligerent Burkie on Dec 9, 2009 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

It seems like you need to let the goals per game fall to ~5 for an extended period of time to have goalies racking up lots of shutouts. It seems like the rules will be changed more aggressively in the future to keep scoring higher. Brodeur already lost a few 0-0 shutouts in regulation to OT that didn’t exist in Sawchuk’s day.

by Hawerchuk on Dec 9, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem with a record like this is that it’s really much of a team record. It requires a highly defensive team and a coach who is willing to give his goaltender a lot of starts, two things that are slowly becoming less common. Even if a goaltender is a better goalie than Brodeur (and I will decline to discuss how good that would be), beating this record requires exactly the right opportunity — the combination of very defensively able team, low-scoring era, and ability to start a high percentage of games, three trends the league is moving away from, sometimes quite intentionally.

by MathMan on Dec 9, 2009 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

Brodeur played through the clutch-and-grab era, and post-lockout, in the “technical-robot-hockey” era. And playing in New Jersey, his travel schedule is basically nil and he was in the weaker conference.

Two eras when it was much easier to get shutouts, with easy travel and a weak conference.

I don’t get what the fuss is about.

by godot10 on Dec 9, 2009 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

I don’t know, I suppose the fuss is about there being yet another indicator that he is the best goalie in the history of the game. I can’t tell if you’re serious about your conclusion. The first part of your comment makes it seem like you are ,,, could be I’m missing the sarcasm.

by ChicoMaki on Dec 9, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

oops ...

one of the best, is what I meant. Not about to argue that one.

by ChicoMaki on Dec 9, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ll go there though. It has to eat Roy alive that he was only the “greatest goalie ever” for a few months before Brodeur overtook him.

by Resolute on Dec 9, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

He hasn't

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 9, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

The record of Roy’s Brodeur won’t catch: 151 playoff wins. I think Roy is comfortable with that.

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by saskhab on Dec 9, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the only area where the argument for “Best Ever” really falters, in my opinion. The playoffs is where it most matters. Regardless, it’s 1-2 either way you slice it.

by ChicoMaki on Dec 10, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

People can say Martin Brodeur played on a team that utilized the Trap (leading to a better defense), but you look at this season and think “Lemaire’s back, Trap this trap that”. Brodeur has had his best seasons in his 30s, and some of his best without the same defense (his 06-07 season was amazing, and he didn’t have Scott Stevens or Scott Niedermayer in front of him either). This season the Devils haven’t been fully healthy all season, and some of the team’s best penalty killers and defensemen have been injured. Great article Mirtle, hopefully it will shut the Marty haters up

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 9, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions  

What is the big deal about goaltenders in their thirties. This is the norm.

Ken Dryden was in his late twenties when he began his streak of 4 Stanley Cups victories.
Billy Smith was .

Billy Smith was 30 when he won his first Stanley Cup.

Patrick Roy, Curtis Joseph, Ed Belfour, and Dominik Hasek were all dominant in their thirties.

The anomaly is goalies being dominant in their twenties.

by godot10 on Dec 9, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t believe this is true. Goaltenders tend to peak in their mid-20s. But their peaks are much flatter than skaters, so they can come up late and play well into their 30s.

by Hawerchuk on Dec 9, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

What always amazes me about Brodeur is his durability. You can all you want about whether he’s a product of the team in front of him, but I bet if you looked at his shots per game stats throughout his career, its not significantly less than the other elite goalies of his time. To be able to do that for 70 games a season, for 15 seasons, its remarkable.

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by poploser on Dec 9, 2009 3:16 PM CST reply actions  

Well said Bruce.

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by James Mirtle on Dec 9, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Brodeur’s shutout record will be closer to hitting .400 in baseball. Not impossible to attain, but it would require a perfect storm for another goalie and would have to span his entire career.

by birky on Dec 9, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions  

Arguably best ever

There’s stars, superstars, and then there’s Bobby Orr; that’s what Serge Savard was said to have alleged about Orr. We all know it’s true in a way, but joining Bobby in the Bobby Orr group I think you have to also talk about Gretzky and Lemieux. Broduer is arguably part of that group as well.

Gauging by the level of success Broduer has held over his career and his statistical dominance and consistency, I think you have to start arguing about Broduer being the same thing to goal tending as Bobby Orr was to defenceman and Wayne Gretzky was to forwards.

Just a sixth sense about the position and sublime understanding of how the game works. He’s not as supernatural to watch as Mario or Bobby or Wayne were but that’s the thing about goaltending – if you’re playing great vs. average there are only extremely subtle adjustments.

by therealdeal on Dec 9, 2009 6:09 PM CST reply actions  

I don’t think that you can put Brodeur into the Orr category. Even if you think that Brodeur is that good, he’s good in a very different way than Orr was. Orr is the ultimate peak player: during his run, he was not only the best defenseman in the game, there wasn’t anyone close. You can’t even find one guy who was as good for a season as Orr was when he was at his best, for a stretch of several seasons.

An awful lot of Brodeur’s value is his durability, which no one has ever claimed about Orr. It is only rarely over his career that Brodeur has clearly been the best goalie in the world by a large margin at any given time. There was a stretch where Hasek was clearly better. There was a stretch where Roy was clearly better. There was a stretch where Luongo was clearly better. What’s remarkable about Brodeur is that he’s always near the top, and the cast around him has turned over several times.

That’s greatness, but it’s a very different form of greatness than Orr had. It’s also a different form of greatness than Gretzky or Lemieux, who fall somewhere in between Orr and Brodeur when comparing the peak vs. career argument.

by J. Michael Neal on Dec 10, 2009 1:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I’d say Gordie Howe’s consistency over the long haul is more apt a comparison.

by J Mark on Dec 10, 2009 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I think that’s pretty fair.

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by James Mirtle on Dec 10, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I was going to mention Howe when I invoked Albert Pujols’ name above. Among the leaders in all the major categories, year after year. Howe’s record of finishing in the Top 5 scorers 20 years in a row is among the most amazing accomplishments in sports.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 10, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  


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