Are tandems on the rise?

Cycle Like The Sedins has had a good couple of posts recently on goalie tandems in the league. James likens the trend to what he's seen in football with running backs sharing the load:
The 2008-09 season might just usher in the two goalie era in hockey. It's certainly been a rough year for the household name, huge GP goalies. Both Martin Brodeur and Roberto Luongo suffered from possible wear-and-tear related injuries and missed serious time. The Dallas Stars nearly prepared for its first lottery ball in ages during Marty Turco's horrifying start to the season and must have missed Mike Smith's quality relief appearances. Even guys such as Ryan Miller and Henrik Lundqvist face up-and-down periods.
It's tough to know if this is going to be a long-term phenomenon, but there certainly have been more successful tandems lately than what we saw prelockout. The Red Wings have gone with some sort of a two-man system four out of the past five years, and when you win a Cup with a particular strategy that involves some savings under the salary cap, it's no surprise that some teams follow suit.
Detroit GM Ken Holland made no bones about the fact he was putting his money into the blueline and up front instead of the crease last spring during their championship run:
"My feeling is if you can get one of the five or six best goalies in the league you can spend the money," Holland said. "We can’t get into those guys, and the difference between the eighth goalie in the league and the 15th goalie, it’s a big difference in money. It’s not a big difference in performance.
By my count, only nine goaltenders will get to 60 starts this season, and many of the better teams in the league have had a lot of success with two netminders sharing the role. Only two of the eight teams on pace for 100 points – San Jose and Calgary – are leaning that heavily on one goalie, and the Bruins lead the NHL in points while employing a tandem of Tim Thomas and Manny Fernandez. Both are among the league leaders in goals-against average and save percentage.
Thomas recently had some great comments on a league conference call when he said that he feels that pairing up is the future of the position:
"Yeah, you know, goalies – it's a human body. I think that's the plan is for it to pay off towards the playoffs.
"I personally am I believer that you cannot play 65 or 70 games and be at 100% in the playoffs, or at least for a long run in the playoffs. That's just my opinion. If you look at history, Cam Ward, the year that they won the Cup, (Martin) Gerber played the majority of the games that year. So Cam Ward was fresh going into the playoffs. Kiprusoff, when he made his run in Calgary, he spent most of the year, first half of the year on the bench in San Jose, so he had not played a lot of games.
"Obviously you can look at other stats, and Marty Brodeur has been able to excel with the long runs. So it's not a set rule. But last year, Osgood only played half the games before going into the playoffs. So there's an argument to be made that keeping your goalie fresh will pay off in the long run.
"I think with the new NHL, I think each game takes more energy than it used to compared to the old NHL, just because of the style of play. So in my personal opinion, I think the days of goalies playing 70 games should be over."
Thomas is a great interview, by the way – thoughtful like a lot of goalies. That's quite an answer to the brief question he was asked about splitting time with Fernandez this season.
Given he went the college route, it really wasn't until he was 30 that Thomas even had a 50-game regular season, and that came as a starter in Finland during the lockout. The low point in his time in the Bruins organization was actually two years back when he played 66 games.
I brought this up when I wrote about the Vezina Trophy recently, but there's been a bit of an understanding over time that netminders have to play a minimum number of game to qualify for that award. I wonder now if that changes as more and more of the NHL's truly top goalies split time with their backups.
The other question here is how tandems affect life under the salary cap. If splitting goalies' time in goal truly results in smaller contracts for backstops a la the Red Wings, you better believe we'll be seeing more of it.
We'll have to see how Boston fares in the playoffs.
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I think that first quote from Holland says it all; once you get past the top handful of goalies, it’s hard to justify paying a premium for one guy over another. Taking the example from your picture, Dan Ellis & Pekka Rinne together make less in Nashville than Chris Mason is in his new contract, and Poile made the right move in paring down his goaltending spend by trading Mason to St. Louis; that freed up money to re-sign key free agents last summer.
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by Dirk Hoag on Feb 19, 2009 6:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
Earl Sleek pointed out the post-lockout playoff tandems as well; it’s really interesting that Anaheim, Carolina and Detroit all had pretty significant goaltending changes in their Cup runs.
You’re right that it’s tough to figure if this will be a long-term situation and Boston is definitely the guinea pig because they face some tough questions in the summer. (Although if their prospect Rask is ready for primetime, they still might have a nice rotation)
Another interesting situation is in Minnesota. They seemed to be one of the prominent 1A/1B teams along with Nashville even before the lockout, but now their first bonafide cornerstone guy (Niklas Backstrom) is a UFA. Do they break the bank or continue to focus on value in net? Seems like they might finally make Backstrom “their guy.”
For me, succesful platooning comes down to how savvy your GM is. Ken Holland/Detroit in general consistently find gems late in drafts and Jimmy Howard is a guy who’s been orbiting that team for almost an abusive amount of time. But could the lesser GMs manage the right mix of value and talent in a similar situation? Colorado is probably a pretty good example of platooning gone wrong …
by jamestobrien on Feb 19, 2009 8:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
1) Two conflicting factors here.
a) In a salary capped NHL its difficult to have two highly skilled goalies
b) We did a post last July on the fact that in the past several years the teams that advanced to the Cup finals had as their #1 goalie, a player who started less than 60 games.(Look it up!)
http://newfaux.blogspot.com/2008/07/less-is-more.html
by Fauxrumors on Feb 19, 2009 8:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It’s not really a new fact, it’s something I noticed immediately in 2004… the Final 4 teams that year had goalies that played at maximum 55 regular season games that year (Khabibulin, Kipper, Nabokov, and Esche). The next year was more of the same (Ward, Roloson, Giguere… Miller was the exception, but as Meatloaf once said, 3 out of 4 ain’t bad).
Finding out who those top 5 guys are is the trick, though. Right now, there seems to be 5 guys in each Conference that vie for that distinction.
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by saskhab on Feb 19, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And any Meatloaf reference/paraphrase is always encouraged
by jamestobrien on Feb 19, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I realized I was wrong shortly after… but hey, 3 out of 4 is even better!
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by saskhab on Feb 19, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, you should have acted like it was intentional. That’s what I thought, at least.
by jamestobrien on Feb 19, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I take pride in my ability to reference pop music from any era. If I’m a little off, I feel shame. Still, I take pride in this reference even if I got it wrong. :)
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by saskhab on Feb 19, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s one of the reasons I’ll be keeping an eye on the Boston Bruins this summer: they have some tough choices, but figuring out what to do in net might be the most difficult and interesting.
To make goalie tandems work, a GM has to be flexible enough to have a deep pool of prospects and sturdy enough to avoid long-term contracts.
(This does not bode well for Pittsburgh)
by jamestobrien on Feb 19, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a) In a salary capped NHL its difficult to have two highly skilled goalies,/i>
You can take out the reference to the salary cap, and it’s equally true. However, the reason that it’s true supports Holland’s logic.
Goalies are like relief pitchers. There’s a small handful that you know are going to be good every year, and even they get hurt. After that, it’s a crapshoot. It doesn’t make sense to drop huge dollars into a roster spot with such high variance in performance. You’re kidding yourself if you really think you know which of the goalies past the top five is going to be a big contributor in any particular year. The comment someone made about depth is a good one. Far better to spend $4 million on three guys who you sort through to find the keeper than $5 million on one guy who could just as easily be a bust.
It’s a case of the extreme risk aversion shown by sports executives, and their fear of looking bad. If you go out and buy one of the guys who was really good last year, and it doesn’t work out, the press will blame the goalie. If you go with a cheap option, and it doesn’t work out, the press will blame you, even if an honest assessment at the time of the decision shows them to have equal likelihood’s of success.
by J. Michael Neal on Feb 19, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One quick nitpick...
“Only two of the eight teams on pace for 100 points – San Jose and Calgary – are leaning that heavily on one goalie”
Actually, the Capitals have leaned heavily on Theodore since December, and they’re still on pace for 100 points. Theodore also presents an interesting counter-arguement to the tandem system—Jose struggled badly while he was sharing time with Brent Johnson, but he’s become one of the better tenders in the East since taking on a heavier workload. Many goalies need a large portion of the starts to perform well; I think the whole goalie tandem thing will depend on the goalies each team has.
by Forsch31 on Feb 19, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
New Jersey always relies on one goalie… just had to switch who that one goalie was for a couple months.
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by saskhab on Feb 19, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true about New Jersey … although it will be interesting to see how they divide the starts once Brodeur comes back. If the Devils have a two-headed monster then we might be on to something. Why banish Scott Clemmensen when he’s won so many games?
Forsch, not sure I trust Theodore on any level. If you ask me, the guy needs to put two back-to-back solid seasons together before he deserves to be anything more than a 1A/1B guy. That being said, he’s definitely the workhorse now for the Caps and HAS been a lot better lately.
by jamestobrien on Feb 19, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1) Once he’s 100% marty will be playing virtually every night!
2) Theodore the past few seasons has had much better 2nd halves. With Johnson out, and a 20 year old rookie who started in the ECHL backing him up, he’s going to play most of their remaining games
by Fauxrumors on Feb 19, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think the Devils will consider bumping Brodeur’s GP down a bit next year and on? Brody sure has a lot a mileage and could probably stand to be fresher going into the playoffs the last few years.
I will admit to being a little hard on Theo. When he had a really nice second half last year, I attributed it to contract yearitis but perhaps I was wrong. Still holding out final judgment for the Caps playoff run …
by jamestobrien on Feb 19, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson should be healthy in time for the playoffs, correct? That’ll be important for the Caps if Theo gets tired/shaky.
I assume Clemmensen will actually start a fair bit for a New Jersey backup down the stretch. Once every 8 games oughtta do it. :) They need to get Marty in top game shape heading into the postseason.
Clemmensen is the new Conklin.
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by saskhab on Feb 19, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Clemmensen is definitely the new Conklin.
But what does that make this year’s Conklin?
by jamestobrien on Feb 19, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t Dan Ellis just the new Chris Mason? And Pekka Rinne the new Ellis? And Chris Mason is just the new Manny Fernandez?
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by saskhab on Feb 19, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Osgood?
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by saskhab on Feb 19, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not a guarentee he’ll b eready. The reports out of DC is that his hip surgery was more extensive than originally thought.
by Fauxrumors on Feb 19, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds about right. I hate both BC and UNH.
by J. Michael Neal on Feb 19, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Chemmy on Feb 20, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Will Theodore get 60 starts though? He’d have to start every single remaining game.
The bit you quoted there reflects that: "Only two of the eight teams on pace for 100 points – San Jose and Calgary – are leaning that heavily on one goalie"
by James Mirtle on Feb 19, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, yeah, I was sort of thinking he’s the new Osgood which is kind of sick in a way.
by jamestobrien on Feb 19, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how many planned tandems are really out there? I think what really happens most of the time, is the planned number one guy gets hurt or slumps and the backup sees more action than expected. Just a hunch.
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by puckreport on Feb 19, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I look for
Boston to deal Fernandez and promote Rask before the deadline. The Wild better keep Backstrom though as Harding isn’t as good (JM’s “Wild team makes the goalie good” notwithstanding). Are the Devils making Clemmenson good? And Brodeur? Don’t goalies always make for interesting theories and debate?
by BJLB on Feb 19, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As well as this has worked out for Boston, I’d have to say that things are going the other way in Chicago. Granted the Blackhawks have an excelent record, but both of thier goalies looked better when they got all the starts…
by Ebscer on Feb 19, 2009 5:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Khabibulin’s having a career year.
by James Mirtle on Feb 19, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A few Vezina tandems:
1981 Denis Herron, Michel Larocque, Richard Sevigny
1980 Don Edwards, Bob Sauve
1979 Ken Dryden, Michel Larocque
1978 Ken Dryden, Michel Larocque
1977 Ken Dryden, Michel Larocque
by Buffalo Tom on Feb 20, 2009 6:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They’ve changed how the Vezina is awarded since then. Two goaltenders can’t receive it anymore.
by James Mirtle on Feb 20, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought there must have been a change but wasn’t sure. Thanks for clarifying.
But at least one of those pairings was a true tandem – Edwards Sauve.
I guess that was my only point. It can work.
by Buffalo Tom on Feb 22, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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