Coaching changes lead to boost in standings
There have been seven coaching changes this season, and so far, they've almost all led to their teams improving in the standings.
Here's a look, by the numbers:
| Coaches | GP | W | L | OTL | Pts | Pt% | /82 | |
| Chicago | Savard | 4 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 37.5% | 62 |
| Quenneville | 61 | 36 | 17 | 8 | 80 | 65.6% | 108 | |
| Montreal | Carbonneau | 66 | 35 | 24 | 7 | 77 | 58.3% | 96 |
| Gainey | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 100.0% | 164 | |
| Pittsburgh | Therrien | 57 | 27 | 25 | 5 | 59 | 51.8% | 85 |
| Bylsma | 11 | 9 | 1 | 1 | 19 | 86.4% | 142 | |
| Tampa Bay | Melrose | 16 | 5 | 7 | 4 | 14 | 43.8% | 72 |
| Tocchet | 51 | 16 | 25 | 10 | 42 | 41.2% | 68 | |
| Carolina | Laviolette | 25 | 12 | 11 | 2 | 26 | 52.0% | 85 |
| Maurice | 44 | 24 | 16 | 4 | 52 | 59.1% | 97 | |
| Rangers | Renney | 61 | 31 | 23 | 7 | 69 | 56.6% | 93 |
| Tortorella | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 7 | 58.3% | 96 | |
| Ottawa | Hartsburg | 48 | 17 | 24 | 7 | 41 | 42.7% | 70 |
| Clouston | 18 | 10 | 5 | 3 | 23 | 63.9% | 105 | |
| Old coach | 277 | 128 | 116 | 33 | 289 | 52.2% | 86 | |
| New coach | 192 | 99 | 66 | 27 | 225 | 58.6% | 96 |
All things considered, that's a pretty remarkable improvement. And it's one that's always going to make coaches very vulnerable when their teams slide in the standings.
UPDATE Tyler Dellow points out that the coaching 'boost' isn't an effect you'll see if you look at the trend over multiple seasons. That makes sense — but my guess is many managers only remember the Bylsma-type resurgences.
What's been interesting about this season's firings is that there have been quite a few "good" teams letting their coaches go. Normally you see the bottom feeders as the ones throwing guys overboard.
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Ahh Tampa Bay, always bucking the trend.
The population of Pominville keeps rising!
by Blackcapricorn on Mar 12, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s because we had a team of monkey putting together the team, or fantasy GMs, same diff. Not ever team is as special.
by Vancity Canuck on Mar 14, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that a coaching change won a Division and a Jack Adams last year.
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by J.P. on Mar 12, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You cannot stop the Gainey/Bylsma experiment
You can only hope to contain it.
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by ES46NE10 on Mar 12, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d also caution on mean reversion. As a general rule, a coach is going to get replaced if a team is performing more poorly than expected. If we assume that people have some ability to know how a team should be performing, these will tend to be teams that are playing worse than their actual talent level. If that’s the case, we would expect these teams to perform better going forward than they have been without any significant changes at all.
by J. Michael Neal on Mar 12, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A longer article on the subject:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/do-teams-improve-by-firing-their-managers
by hockeynumbers on Mar 12, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s very hard to go wrong by reading The Hardball Times.
by J. Michael Neal on Mar 13, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In most cases, it seems a coach is replaced when the players have quit playing for him. When a new coach arrives, the players simply return to work.
To the extent this year’s fired coaches manned the bench for their team last year, it would be interesting to compare the team’s winning percentage from that year to the new coach’s winning percentage this year. Perhaps that would show the team simply returning to form rather than improving per se.
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by puckreport on Mar 12, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Coach first, inert inept GM next
Any chance Gainey survives this collapse?
by Exit716 on Mar 13, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be sad if he didn’t survive this. The truth is Carbo shouldn’t have been fired, as evidenced by how they played last night.
The problem in this team is not the coaching, it’s the players.
by Habs on Mar 13, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See Thomas, Isiah.
The population of Pominville keeps rising!
by Blackcapricorn on Mar 13, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who assembles the team?
Hard to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.
Since the GM just woke up from a long nap, perhaps fans could tell him that starting last April in the playoffs, the Bruins and Flyers realized that you do hard on the forecheck against the Habs ham-handed defensemen and watch them fumble away the puck.
Bob, being a certified Habs legend, has only realized that as of last night’s game.
This mess is all on him. I’m not convinced that he’s done anything special in Montreal that Andre Savard couldn’t have done.
He can’t get free agents to sign in Montreal and the ones he does get are pretty much Dollarama scraps that not even the Islanders will take a risk on.
Oh but he has his name on the Cup and the old #23 in the rafters, I guess that will buy him a little more time.
by Exit716 on Mar 13, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So what should he have done last summer? I mean, except bring in an elite winger, a strong right handed center and the league’s best fighter?
by Habs on Mar 13, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
League's best fighter?
Who is that?
He signed some out of shape guy that doesn’t want to fight anymore for $4.5 million over three years.
by Exit716 on Mar 13, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that’s what is is NOW. But did you know that in the summer? Did anyone know that in the summer?
I prefer not to indulge in hindsight when I evaluate a situation and the fact is that when BG signed Laraque, a big majority of people were happy.
Because until this year he was regarded at the league’s best fighter.
You still haven’t answered my question though, which indicates that you’re more complaining out of bitterness that anything else. What was he supposed to do last summer?
by Habs on Mar 13, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I could’ve told you that. Laraque’s head hasn’t been in the fighting game since before he left the Oilers. He can still kick the shit out of just about anyone, but he’s basically useless for the amount of money the Habs are paying for him.
Which isn’t to say that Daryl Katz wouldn’t be interested in paying that salary to have him back on the Oilers. They’re apparently workout buddies during the summer.
All that being said, while Lang is no Sundin (not that Sundin’s been quite Sundin, either), he still did a nice job of filling a hole in the lineup until his injury, and Tanguay would probably have had more of an impact if he hadn’t spent half the season on the IR. Really, a lot of the Habs’ poor results were the result of the one hole Gainey didn’t fill, PP point man (until their recent slump, their EV and SH results were much better than last year’s). He finally filled it three weeks before the deadline, but by this point, it might be too late.
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by Doogie2K on Mar 14, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small Sample Size
The comparison isn’t really fair to Savard, who has only 4 games for his winning percentage, and it really skews the success of recent replacements. Most teams will get a short-term boost from a coaching change—for instance, Ottawa won 5 games in a row shortly after their coaching change, and then have gone 5-5-2 since.
The only coaching change that has a decent distribution of games for both coaches is Carolina, and there’s not a large percentage change. Honestly, to me, this list really doesn’t show much improvement at all.
by Forsch31 on Mar 13, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carolina, Ottawa and Pittsburgh have all been far, far better under their new coaches. When we talk about the improvement of bringing in a new coach, it’s always a short-term effect anyway, so yes, it’ll be over a limited number of games.
by James Mirtle on Mar 13, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, because the Capitals’ coaching change last season led to a short-term effect. When a team changes its coach, it’s usually done not to give the team a short-term boost—it’s to fix a problem behind the bench and get the team playing consistantly for the long term. Although it’s easier to fire the coach than the team, a good team needs consistency behind the bench to be successful; otherwise, you’re just a GM screwing the pooch with different systems and personalities being introduced on a far too-frequent basis.
And when you look at the success of the coaching change, looking at a new coach’s record when he’s had less than 20 games doesn’t prove a thing. Projecting a small sample of 11 games or so over an 82 game season in terms of points is like taking a baseball hitter’s first 20 plate appearances and projecting his performance over the course of an entire season based on that—it’s stats-for-stats’ sake and has no analytical value whatsoever.
Carolina has been on a roll the past couple of weeks; before that, they were playing the same erratic .500 hockey they were under Laviolette, hovering around the same spot in the conference ranks that they were in when they fired their former coach. Who’s to say that Laviolette couldn’t have turned things around if he were given the time that Maurice did? Laviolette clearly didn’t have the support of management and ownership given the circus of last off-season, and Maurice has both a history with the organization and a friendship with its GM. That has more to do with the coaching change than anything else.
Ottawa, as I pointed out, reeled off 5 wins in a row. Then they began to struggle again, with bad losses in Vancouver and Calgary sandwiching a 1-2-1 run, followed by three wins in a row against three non-playoff teams, and a loss against the struggling Bruins. Of course, they were sinking badly before Hartsburg’s firing, so playing themselves out of a high chance lottery pick I guess is an improvement…over one month in a season.
Pittsburgh’s the most obvious, because they’ve only lost one game under Bylsma, who’s simplfied their system and using his players better. But then again, he’s only coached for 11 games.
Earlier this season, Alain Vigneault seemed to be a prime candidate. Hard to imagine that now. Every team struggles and has bad months—last year’s Stanley Cup champions lost six in a row last season and went 4-8-2 in February, and they still managed to win the President’s Trophy. A month’s worth of games tells you nothing about a coaching performance, the quality of a team’s play under that performance, or if the coaching boost actually has worked.
by Forsch31 on Mar 13, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right about Chicago though … and Montreal. Those are all skewing the numbers all over the place, so it’s pretty tough to conclude anything from them.
by James Mirtle on Mar 13, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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