The $450,000 fourth-round pick

All of the "winners and losers" articles are coming out in full force, but I can't help but still think about that doozy of a deal Brian Burke made with the Tampa Bay Lightning. Tyler Dellow smells something fishy as well.
As it turns out, the league took a look at the legitimacy of what has to be one of the strangest deadline trades ever made:
As for the final deal, that was the most interesting as Tampa Bay sent goaltender Olie Kolzig, defenseman Jamie Heward and minor-league defenseman Andy Rogers and a 2009 fourth-round pick to the Maple Leafs for rugged minor-league defenseman Richard Petiot, who was assigned to AHL Norfolk. The NHL actually got involved in this transaction. Deputy commissioner Bill Daly said the league gave it a look because all the Lightning players involved are injured. The NHL, Daly said, wanted to ensure the deal included "legitimate hockey assets." The deal was approved. Apparently, Toronto so badly wanted the pick, it was willing to take what was left of those salaries.
I guess so.
Not including Rogers's deal, which is likely to be negligible given he's playing in the minors, my best guesstimate is that the Leafs are taking on close to $450,000 in salary — the equivalent of 21.5 per cent of the combination of the Kolzig and Heward contracts — and getting back a fourth-round pick.
Neither side was saying that much about the deal initially.
"You're not allowed to just buy and sell picks, let's be clear on that," Lightning GM Brian Lawton told The Fan 590. "For us, it's just we had a chance to reduce in some areas, we traded a fourth-round pick, Toronto had a chance to get a player in Jamie Heward who should be ready to play in a week to 10 days.
"What their situation is, I don't know ... For me, I put that [trade] under cap management."
No kidding.
Burke was asked about the deal on television soon after it was made and didn't offer much of an answer, but Toronto radio host Bob McCown got a little more out of him later in the night.
"If you're smelling a skunk here, Bob, you're right — there is a component here which involves the salary cap," Burke said in an interview with The Fan 590. "You cannot make a deal to acquire cap room unless there a hockey component to it that passes muster with the NHL. I think they should allow this but they do now allow trade deals that purchase or sell cap space. So you've got to put bodies in there where the league feels it adds up to a legitimate deal or they will not condone it, they will not do the trade call.
"So this is a case of us trying to experiment with Tampa, trying to come up with names — they liked the Petiot kid that we put in the deal a little bit, we liked the kid that we got back ... there is obviously more salary moved to us from Tampa, but we cleared this with the league in advance.
"The league said it passed the smell test."
Now, I know a lot of the response to this deal has been a muted "Who cares?" but you wonder what this opens the door to. In the future, could we see several low salaried teams looking to boost their revenue-sharing payout by chucking a bunch of salary cap flotsam along with a first-rounder off to a team with cash and cap space?
And if that's not considered buying and selling picks, what is?
It's a slipperly slope, and it's one that creates a strange divide between teams with cap space and those without, teams that are eligible for revenue sharing and those that aren't. I've mentioned this before, but we're looking at situations where retired players — or even deceased ones — are potentially going to be punted around for draft picks willy nilly.
And don't think Burke's not on board with that idea.
"In my mind, cap space and cap room and cash are assets, just like draft picks, and they should be freely tradable," Burke said. "I don't know why we couldn't say 'okay, we're going to take $1-million back — no players involved — for a first-round pick.' I have no idea why that wouldn't be allowed, but it's not.
"So you've got to build a hockey deal up to where the league says it meets approval and in this case we did."
Ah, so there it is. This "trading cap space" business has been Burke's hobby horse for a few years now, pre-dating his time with the Leafs, and it continues to make an appearance at all of the GM meetings before being shot down by league officials.
Why did Burke spend $450,000 on a fourth-round pick?
To prove he could.
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The NBA has major problems with this kind of thing right now. People just buy and sell picks, they’re so desperate for cash, that cash is more important that trying to build a sustainable and successful and profitable operation. So they stink up the joint, and sell those picks for cash. Don’t think for a minute that such luminaries as Don Waddell wouldn’t be glad to be shipping every single draft pick out of Atlanta in exchange for some cash. Straight up trading of picks for cash is a very dangerous path to go, and one that I do not want to see. However, Burke IS right in that cash + cap space ARE assets, and in a land of all-guaranteed contracts, there has to be some amount of flexibility in allowing people to create cap space. I don’t really have a problem with the idea of trading a bad contract for a draft pick, just to get that cap space back. The main problem right here is that the trade is not for usable cap space, its for a revenue sharing check. Somehow, the two situations have to be differentiated, I think. How to do that, I have no idea.
And don’t think theres not a lucrative market out there for picks. I wonder, coming out of the lockout with financial problems, do you think Pittsburgh would’ve been tempted by a 10 million dollar offer for its first rounder? It would’ve been a great investment for whatever team bought Pittsburgh’s draft pick. Same the following year with Washington, or this year with the Islanders (presumably). When you’re talking about some of these markets like Toronto, where the hockey club has an essentially inexhaustable supply of money, you can afford to buy everything. Remember the pre-lockout Rangers? They could buy any free agent they wanted, the trouble was, they mostly bought bad ones. What if that team were allowed to buy Crosby, Ovechkin, Tavares, etc.? Even if you can calculate the exact dollar value of a pick, those teams with infinite cash will always pay more to get their way, and they also think that because they’re better than average (even if only in their dreams), that it will work out better and ok for them, than it will for the other team. If I’m Toronto or New York or something, I wouldn’t hesitate a minute to give 10M each for the rights to draft both Crosby and Ovechkin. And you’d end up ahead for it too.
by IAmJoe on Mar 5, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Was just going to point out the NBA
I remember a situation where Keith Van Horn (a RETIRED player) came out of retirement for something like 4 days, pocketed millions of dollars (since they had to sign him to a contract), and then retired again just to make a trade work for the cap.
Is that the path we’re headed on?
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by Afino on Mar 5, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That only happens in the NBA because it’s a soft cap that teams are allowed to exceed. Teams that are over the cap can only make trades if the trades don’t put them further over the cap – but they CAN sign players that are ‘their property’ to contracts. Then they use the extra ballast to make the trade.
It’s quite silly, but it can’t happen in the NHL because they use a hard cap. There’s never any motivation to add salary under the cap.
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by Back In Black on Mar 5, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not quite
Actually why this happens in the NBA is because of their trade restrictions. Every NBA deal has to be equal money (with a 10% cushion) going both ways. This is why you see garbage like that happen. It’s in place for a so called competitive balance. This is why you see superstar for superstar trades and 10 player deals where only 2 of the players actually play. It’s just a dumb system.
by hallandnash on Mar 6, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes quite
NBA teams that are under the salary cap can make trades without regards to salary. Very few teams are under the cap at any given time, so the majority of trades are between “capped” teams and so have the restriction that you describe.
It’s very valuable to get under the cap in the NBA, because then you can pick up as much salary as you want in a trade (as long as it doesn’t put you over).
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by Back In Black on Mar 6, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Differentiating from usable cap space and revenue sharing cheating
Why not just make the revenue sharing number equivalent to the highest payroll a team had at ANY point in the season? Then Recchi’s contract will count towards the LIghtnings contract.
by Kobra29 on Mar 5, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both rich and poor teams both have ways to play fast and loose
I understand why this Tampa case makes people angry because it violates the spirit of the rules—even if it is within the letter of the law.
However, I would point that the rich teams regularly violate the spirit of the cap. They can make VERY RISKY long term contract offers and overpay Briere, Gomez, Drury, DiPietro, et al KNOWING that if something goes wrong they can simply send that player to the minors and viola no more cap issues. That’s a HUGE advantage for a rich team versus a poor ream. It un-levels the playing field in the UFA market every year. A good 1/2 of the NHL can’t afford to make a Redden-sized mistake.
Teams like the Rangers, Flyers can take irresponsible gambles with their cap dollars like crazed Wall Street executives while teams like Columbus, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, can not. The system is not perfect at either end of the income scale.
by The Falconer on Mar 5, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you have to be stretching it
to consider the Islanders a rich team. Yes, they’re a New York team, bu tmost certainly not rich.
And both the Rangers and the Flyers are paying for their foolhardy ways this season.
by Karina on Mar 6, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Islanders are not revenue “rich” but their owner apparently is willing to take a chance on eating DiPietro’s long term contract.
by The Falconer on Mar 6, 2009 3:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great trade.
Burke is wise.
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by eyebleaf on Mar 5, 2009 2:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t hesitate a minute to give 10M each for the rights to draft both Crosby and Ovechkin.
This is exactly why allowing cash-for-draft-picks would seriously undermine the competitive structure of the league.
However, there’s a bright line between cash-for-picks and taking-on-bloated-contracts-for-picks. Only a limited number of expiring, bloated contracts exist, and the salary cap limits how much bloat that a team can take on (unless they can stash it in the minors). Wealthy teams usually don’t end up with much space; the Leafs this year are a bit of an exception.
On the other hand, distinguishing between the Kolzig deal and the Recchi deal is much more difficult to do. Both of these deals shed Tampa salary and brought players in return. We can point out that all of the players going to Toronto are injured, but the same can be said of the Leclaire trade.
This is just a particularly ugly example of a practice that’s been going on since rules were put in place against including cash in trades. The Malakhov deal was also ugly, but there have been several others such as the Vesa Toskala trade, where the Leafs took on Mark Bell’s contract. The salary cap is intended to reduce the financial motivation for a low budget team to do this, but otherwise I don’t see how you can get rid of it unless the league wants to closely evaluate the competitive fairness of each deal. That’s a cure worse than the disease.
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by Back In Black on Mar 5, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Only a limited number of expiring, bloated contracts exist, and the salary cap limits how much bloat that a team can take on (unless they can stash it in the minors). Wealthy teams usually don’t end up with much space; the Leafs this year are a bit of an exception.
The problem is that wealthy teams can afford to stash big salaries in the minors.
by J. Michael Neal on Mar 5, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is just another reason
Why there should either be a salary cap in the minors or one cap that encompasses both NHL and AHL players.
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by Afino on Mar 5, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How complicated do you intend to make this? Doesn’t the fact that the system needs to be byzantine to make it work point to large flaws?
by J. Michael Neal on Mar 5, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, yes. But is it really a problem? Is there any one team with more than $3-5M of bloated contract stashed in the minors?
That’s not what happened here.
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by Back In Black on Mar 5, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think this will become especially common. There are a few unusual pieces that had to fit together for this to work:
- You needed a team with financial concerns that was still spending close to the cap
- You needed a team with few financial worries that still had a ton of cap room
- You needed a big ticket player with one year left on his deal who had essentially zero value
Those first two especially aren’t all that common. Generally, big market teams spend close to the cap and small market ones spend less. The Leafs are a rare case of a team with money to burn that still had lots of cap room, which is pretty rare. At least it is today… who knows what the future holds.
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by Down Goes Brown on Mar 5, 2009 3:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You also need the team with “few financial worries” to be in such a desperate state that it is willing to grossly overpay to replace diminished assets. There are very few markets that would ever be under such pressure to recover that they would be able to justify spending half a million dollars on an asset that rarely provides an adequate return.
Manipulation of the revenue sharing model is the real concern in this deal.
by ConfidoBoyd on Mar 5, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, c’mon. Major league sports owners would never manipulate a revenue sharing model. All they do is help competitive balance.
More seriously, this is an example of why I argue that you have to consider the incentives that your model provide, and why you need to make winning games the only incentive for handing out revenue sharing. This deal helps to show a model whereby a franchise can make money without putting together a good team.
by J. Michael Neal on Mar 5, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still want to know
What the league’s rationale is regarding its ability to review trades for “legitimate hockey assets”? As far as I can tell, the phrase “legitimate hockey assets” does not appear anywhere in the CBA.
The CBA does prevent a team from trading its “Payroll Room" and prohibits "Cash transactions in connections with the Assignment of Player SPCs”. But is that what happened here? No actual cash was transferred. And can this be seen as a trade for “Payroll Room” when both teams have Payroll Room available?
I guess I want the league to tell me why it feels it can be the judge of what is “legitimate hockey assets”. I think this deal shows you that even if it thinks it has that power, its a useless power. Because I don’t know how the league can legitimately challenge a trade that doesn’t involve the actual transfer of cash.
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by poploser on Mar 5, 2009 3:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think you hit the nail on the head … they can’t challenge it. Burke took on a bunch of junk from Tampa and they give him the evil eye, but so what?
by James Mirtle on Mar 5, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good work, Gary.
Im glad we lost a year of hockey to prevent such horrible actions as noted in Section 26.15(k) of the CBA – a club failing to report the revenue generated from “mascot appearances”.
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by poploser on Mar 5, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well to be fair I think that traitorous fiend Youppi was selling drugs to kids on the side. This was Gary’s way to find some more despicable ways to profit.
by ConfidoBoyd on Mar 5, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t want to be the player who the league doesn’t consider a “legitimate hockey asset”. Man, that must be humiliating.
by Malurous on Mar 5, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Malurous..Great comment, I agree. How can you live after someone different clarify you as a legit hockey asset!
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Careful...
The guy that got traded for 10 Maple bats in minor league baseball just died of a suspicious drug overdose…
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by PPP on Mar 5, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s a question I haven’t seen asked anywhere: Did Burke need any sort of permission from MLSE to make this deal?
He was basically spending their money to buy a pick. They say he has complete freedom to do anything he wants, this seems like a good test of whether they meant it.
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by Down Goes Brown on Mar 5, 2009 5:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are they up or down salary with Antropov and Moore out? Perhaps his budget remains the same regardless.
by James Mirtle on Mar 5, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. Antro was making $2,1M so it’s probably close to a wash.
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by Down Goes Brown on Mar 5, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my understanding
was that Burke would only take the job if he had anonymity, was it not?
by Karina on Mar 6, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Autonomy?
:)
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by Baroque on Mar 6, 2009 2:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he wishes he had the former.
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by PPP on Mar 6, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still curious how you justify 425k for a fourth round pick.
A fourth round pick is what? A 7.5% (generously stated – Note: I think Lowetide had some different numbers, but I was unable to find them) chance of getting a player who will play in a meaningful role for the team. Is that 7.5% chance worth 425k? That’s what you’re paying for.
I guess for Burke it was.
by rsm on Mar 5, 2009 6:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, since it’s coming from Tampa, it’ll be a very, very high fourth-rounder.
Still.
by James Mirtle on Mar 5, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Near as I can guess, the only way it’s worth it for Burke is if it helps create a market for similar deals, which would allow Burke to pick up more picks in the future, presumably for more reasonable prices.
by RyanV on Mar 5, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This was undoubtedly part of it. Surely Burke sees the wisdom in turning otherwise untilized cap space into an asset. As
Assuming Burke is allowed to spend to the cap (and I think this is a fair assumptuon given MLSE generates more cash flow per share than pretty much any company in Canada), he has a decision to make:
- Don’t use the cap space and lose it forever
- Turn the cap space that you were otherwise going to waste into a draft pick
I think the price he ultimately paid to pull this off was a function of two things. First, no one had done this before so the market for it was probably very small. Second, no one knew if the league would let them do it, so someone had to set a precedent.
Now the precedent has been set. If you’re a big market team with a crap load of money, and you’re not spending to the cap, then the best use of your money is to start buying draft picks. GMs will start thinking about making deals like this from now, creating a more liquid market which will drive down prices, all other things being the same.
by mclea on Mar 6, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Whether it’s worth it depends upon which team it is. For Toronto, given their marginal revenue per win, I’d bet that it’s almost certainly yes. For Tampa, probably not. My guess is that it’s a perfectly rational trade on both sides, given the incentive structures that exist.
by J. Michael Neal on Mar 5, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto’s going to sell out every game no matter how bad they are, so their marginal revenue per win is near zero. Tampa needs to ice a winner to get butts in the seats, so their marginal revenue is high. The revenue sharing angle does a better job explaining this trade from Tampa’s perspective.
by RyanV on Mar 5, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto’s marginal revenue per win most definitely is not zero. How much more can they charge for the tickets to see the Leafs play winning hockey?
by J. Michael Neal on Mar 5, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto really does have cash to blow
There is no shortage of money in that market
by Ebscer on Mar 5, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A fourth round pick is a scarce commodity – you can’t just order one by mail. There were no other opportunities to obtain a pick even this high without needing to send a hockey asset the other way. If the supply were higher, then sure the price would be lower.
Would teams have paid $425k for exclusive negotiating rights with Fabian Brunnstrom last summer? I think several of them would have.
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by Back In Black on Mar 5, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m happy with Ville Leino, thanks.
by J. Michael Neal on Mar 5, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding. I guess we’ll be seeing him in the playoffs.
by James Mirtle on Mar 5, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me, too.
I’m impressed he stuck it out in Grand Rapids instead of heading home. He probably showed enough to make the team in training camp, but there wasn’t space for him. He actually said in an interview that he did consider going back to Europe, if only briefly, but he felt from everyone in the organization that if he went to Grand Rapids he would get a fair opportunity and he wouldn’t be buried and ignored, so he decided to stick it out for a year and see if he could make it. Playing there actually was good for him, because he said so many games so close together gave him a lot of opportunity to get used to the smaller ice surface – and he thinks it made it easier to play in the NHL, because there are fewer players running each other at this level than in the minors.
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by Baroque on Mar 6, 2009 2:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, duh. And if Doug Risebrough owned a time machine, Doug Gilmour would have retired a Flame.
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by Back In Black on Mar 6, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good on Burke for doing this deal. Its stuff like this that has Leaf fans so optimistic about the future with Burke in control. Who is the last Leafs GM that would have done something this creative? The Leafs don’t have many assests right now so they are going to have to think outside of the box to try and stock up on talent and draft picks.
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by Brad Ackerson on Mar 5, 2009 11:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tampa sold a pick
And Toronto bought one.
Let’s not pretend it was anything else.
Bloviating Burke insults hockey fans by pretending it’s something else.
by Dr Van Nostrum on Mar 6, 2009 3:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Burke isn’t pretending anything, and he’s probably delighted to know that everyone is so angry about what he just pulled off.
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by Chemmy on Mar 6, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s pretending?
Bloviating Dr Van Nostrum insults Mirtle’s commenters by pretending Burke said it was anything besides buying a pick.
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by PPP on Mar 6, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Burke is right
Burke is right in his theory though. In a cap system, the money is an asset and should be allowed to be traded.
by hallandnash on Mar 6, 2009 9:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Would you still say that if your team’s GM started selling off his 1st round picks to the highest bidder because the owner told him to fetch a few millions?
You clearly aren’t rooting for one of the 20 or so teams that would get screwed by this system.
by Habs on Mar 6, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank Lou
1) Burke’s mentor Lou Lamarello was the genius behind trading dead wood( Vlad malakhov to SJ) in excahnge for cap space/draft picks.
2) Nothing new here. Its legit under the CBA. Some may not like it, but until the CBA is renegotiated its gona happen
by Fauxrumors on Mar 6, 2009 9:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I dont think its so bad of an idea. No matter what you spend it will always be a hit towards your cap. So if your GM is dumb enough to make an offer to trade 10M in your teams cap space (all be it just for that one year if that’s the deal) then I can see why people might scratch their heads at the idea of 10M for an unknown commodity. It will never ever happen.
In the Leafs deal, what makes it work is that all players involved are no gonna play in the NHL this year and their contract expire at season’s end. I was hoping for more of the same but maybe as Burke said this is just an experiment (aka test) to see if it would work… flood gates open, now lets see who takes the plunge.
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by puckbuddy on Mar 6, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
PPP
While you were playing with your Leafs doll on Wednesday, Burke was refusing to answer the TSN panel’s direction questions about this deal.
by Dr Van Nostrum on Mar 7, 2009 12:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sick burn, you really told him.
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