What would it take for Burke to get Tavares?

by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2009 1:14 PM CDT Comment 23 comments

In inexplicably small odds that Brian Burke wasn't just being a media-whore and is actually going to stop at nothing to get Tavares, what would he have to give the Isles in order to actually accomplish this?

On MHH I wondered this aloud and decided a trade would have to look like this:

To NY Islanders:

• 7th overall pick

• 1st round pick in 2010

• Kaberle

• 3rd round pick

To Toronto:

• 1st pick

Hurting Toronto is that they really don't have much in the way of prospects to trade the Isles either. But I can't see Garth Snow accepting anything less than this for the chance to draft Tavares, and I can't see Burke being dumb enough to offer this.

Basically I'm saying that either Burke is a fool or a media-whore who knew exactly what to say to get the media in a tizzy and paying attention to him. I'll go with the latter.

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If the trade you proposed went through, Snow would not be allowed within 100 yards of an NHL team for the rest of his life.

If I’m Snow, I don’t start thinking about anything from Burke unless Luke Schenn and the 7th pick are included.

by thepenismightier on Apr 15, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I agree with this.

by James Mirtle on Apr 15, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Remember

This is bare minimum the Isles could accept, and

Really 2 1st round picks, a top player and a 3rd rounder? There aren’t too many players worth more than that. I realize Tavares might be one of them, but still, that’s quite the bounty in my opinion (especially considering where Toronto would be drafting next season without Kaberle)

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Schenn + 7th pick would be the bare minimum the Isles could accept.

Schenn is the only major asset that Burke could use to land Tavares. Kaberle is an above-average defensman signed at a decent price through the next 2 years — not a top player.

Ask any Isles fan what they’d think about the bounty you proposed and I’ll bet they’ve got a much different opinion.

by thepenismightier on Apr 15, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lindros

the Lindorss trade was:

the 6th overall (Forsberg), another 1st rounder (Thibault), a third 1st rounder (Nolan Baumgartner), Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, and everyone agrees that that was preposterously too much for the Flyers to give up.

3 first rounders and a handful of useful vets is clearly too much, even for someone of Tavares’s stature. I said the bare minimum the Isles could accept would be 2-1st rounders, a 3rd and a 1st-2nd pairing Defenseman. I’m probably a little low (maybe that 3rd becomes another 1st) but I’m not that far off on the minimum.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The thing is, I just don’t see the Islander having much interest in Kaberle because, given his age and contract, I don’t know what the odds are that he’s both in New York and still as productive as he is now when the Islanders are a competitive team.

by David M. Getz on Apr 15, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The pisles already traded away from Schenn! They could have had Schenn and Tavares if they didn’t move down last year. Trading Tavares for Schenn now amounts to trading Tavares for Bailey (and the other picks they got by trading down). Mike Milbury could only dream of such managerial shenanigans!

by Fehr and Balanced on Apr 18, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Replace Kaberle with Schenn and you might be right about this being the bare minimum.

Tavares is supposed to be a talent on par with Crosby/Malkin/Ovechkin. Both in terms of on the ice production, and the off the ice promotion. That’s incredibly valuable.

by IAmJoe on Apr 15, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

As an Islanders fan, I would be calling for Snow to be fired if he pulled the trigger on this (or a similar) offer. I don’t want to be getting a 31 year old defenseman for (potentially) Tavares unless (a) it’s more of an extra player on top of an already excellent offer or (b) he’s someone on the level of a Lidstrom, Pronger, etc.

by andrew430 on Apr 16, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What would it take for Burke to get Tavares?

He might have to quit his job as Leafs GM before his contract is up and get hired on as the Islanders GM, I’d think, but Brian Burke’s a stand-up guy who would never do something like that.

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by Earl Sleek on Apr 15, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs

What about a fairly complicated trade with the Lightning to get the second pick and then flip that to the Islanders. The Leafs have something the Lightning need, cap space and can handle big contracts, as seen with their trade earlier this season.

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by Zachary Zielonka on Apr 15, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I suppose that’s theoretically possible but I can’t imagine the Leafs have enough assets to make a trade for the second overall pick and move up from #2 to #1. Unless of course they move Schenn, in which case they might as well just try to center a deal with the Islanders around him and the seventh overall pick.

by David M. Getz on Apr 15, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly, I think the only way this works is if the Islanders aren’t interested in Tavares anyways too.

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by Zachary Zielonka on Apr 15, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree, coolman.

Tavares seems like he can make at least a Patrick Kane-esque impact right off the bat even if he’s not going to be a Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin player (which some hype him up to be). So it would seem foolish that a team wouldn’t be interested in him…

…But then again this is the Islanders management that we’re talking about.

by Hooks Orpik on Apr 15, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Simply cannot work

If Burke could weasel his way up to #3 first, then maybe something could happen. But I don’t know how he finds the assets to do that and then trade for #1.

This is a case where the Islanders need this pick — both in roster and in fan psyche — more than any reasonable package could replace that need. Meanwhile, Burke can only conjure up the assets needed to pry the pick away if he truly bankrupts the Leafs, making the acquisition pointless. The Isles and Leafs are actually in similar rebuild phases — with the exception that TML can draw pro and college free agents — so what Burke has to offer, the Isles don’t want.

Agree with jibble that it’s just Burke dancing in the spotlight, which seems to be half the reason he relocated.

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by Dominik on Apr 16, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This is a case where the Islanders need this pick — both in roster and in fan psyche — more than any reasonable package could replace that need. Meanwhile, Burke can only conjure up the assets needed to pry the pick away if he truly bankrupts the Leafs, making the acquisition pointless

This is what I was actually trying to get to in asking this question. Burke has to know this, meaning he was just being a boorish media-whore.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 16, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Burke has to know this, meaning he was just being a boorish media-whore.

Heh, and we’re all shocked — shocked! — that every Toronto paper has run with it, right?

Yeah, I gathered what you were getting at in the original post — don’t know why I felt like restating it other than that I needed something to toss around without playoffs {sniff sniff}

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by Dominik on Apr 17, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was actually on the front page of the Sun.

by James Mirtle on Apr 17, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If I were Snow, I’d accept Schenn the 7th overall pick and a 2010 first rounder.

by wlittle on Apr 16, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

If Snow wanted Schenn, he would have drafted him last year instead of purposefully trading down and not taking him. Schenn isn’t part of the equation when it comes to trading to the Isles, and since he is the only real asset that the Leafs have of any value to us, any deal is a pipe dream.

by DanNOLA on Apr 17, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Any other team but NY

1) Had another team, like Tampa won the lottery we could see a possible swap like the one Jibble proposed as the Lightning, for all their problems, have the core already in place to compete next season.
2) On the other hand the Isles not only need a talented player, but also a name/face of their franchise. Someone to get the fans excited again. To put fannies back into the seats of NVMC. taveras fils that bill very well. A trade would infuriate what fans are left on the Island. It would be the final nail in the coffin.

by Fauxrumors on Apr 18, 2009 7:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

As written elsewhere ...

… say, Damien Cox’s column today (and the Oilers blog Lowetide before that), Tavares might be had for a reasonable price if he holds out. Burke can’t call him and tell him to demand a trade to the Leafs, of course; that’s tampering. But he can send a signal through the media that the Leafs are interested, and let Tavares take it from there.

by xokaraoke on Apr 18, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

A brief history on how Burke drafted the Sedin twins

In that year, there were 4 consensus top picks including the Sedin brothers. Burke held the 3rd overall pick, and then traded the following year’s 1st round plus Brian McCabe to acquire the 4th overall pick. Then he traded the 4th overall pick and 2 3rd round picks to acquire the 1st overall pick. Then he traded down from the 1st overall pick to 2nd overall after Atlanta guaranteed him that he would not pick a twin (and gained a conditional third rounder).

Given that he gave up one pretty good defenceman plus a first round pick to get the 4th overall pick in a draft with nobody in the calibre of Tavares and Hedman, what Jibblescribbits suggested probably wouldn’t be nearly enough. Looking at the assets he has, the best he could do is probably to get the No. 2 pick after taking on some bad cocntracts from Tampa, but that’s unlikely now that Brad Richards is off their books and they don’t have to worry about finding a taker for their most expensive contract (Vincent Lacavalier)

by SJKel on Apr 18, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs