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Why the Sedins have arrived as elite peformers

I've talked quite a bit lately about the Sedin twins out in Vancouver and why they're so important to the Canucks' success, but what I haven't done is pull out the numbers and compare them to some of the top forwards in the game.

They don't receive much credit around the league for it, but based on this season's numbers, they've been two of the top performers in the NHL.

First, the counting numbers, which are pretty good in their own right:

  1. Daniel and Henrik both finished with 82 points, good enough to be tied for 13th in the NHL during the season.
  2. Putting aside the limitations of plus-minus for the moment, they also finished 14th and 17th among forwards in that category as well.
  3. The only players Daniel had fewer even-strength points than this season were Malkin, Ovechkin, Crosby, Parise, Datsyuk and Havlat. Add Iginla to the list for those ahead of Henrik.

That's pretty impressive.

Consider, too, that the Sedins have for the most part been rolled out against other teams' top lines (with a varied group of linemates) and that puts them in a class with some of the best players in the NHL.

Meaning that, yes, they're probably worth those $6.5-million deals we've heard so much about this season — provided they show up this postseason.

So far, so good.

Their game of cycling the puck and playing a unique man-on-man type of offence doesn't translate as well to the power play, and that's the only reason we don't see them finish among the top five or six scorers and challenge for the Art Ross. But, on a team that's finally getting some offence from elsewhere, that hasn't mattered as much lately.

One underused stat over at Behind The Net is +/-ON/60 (goals scored while on the ice minus goals against while on the ice all per 60 minutes of even-strength play), a measure that, if you only take into account players that play against difficult opposition (>=0.02 Qual. Comp.), gives you an idea of which forwards outscored tough opponents most often this season:

NAME TEAM GP QCMP Pt/60 GF/60 GA/60  +-ON/60
1 B. WHEELER BOS 81 0.02 2.43 3.88 1.78 2.10
2 P. DATSYUK DET 81 0.04 2.91 4.28 2.30 1.97
3 A. SEMIN WSH 61 0.03 3.21 4.10 2.24 1.86
4 M. HOSSA DET 74 0.02 2.75 3.81 2.12 1.69
5 R. FEDOTENKO PIT 65 0.03 2.58 3.27 1.75 1.52
6 D. SEDIN VAN 82 0.06 2.97 3.40 1.94 1.46
7 T. ZAJAC N.J 82 0.04 2.17 3.31 1.94 1.37
8 Z. PARISE N.J 82 0.03 2.93 3.46 2.09 1.36
9 A. LADD CHI 82 0.11 2.61 3.58 2.27 1.31
10 H. SEDIN VAN 82 0.06 2.79 3.42 2.16 1.26
11 J. LANGENBRUN. N.J 81 0.04 2.70 3.23 1.99 1.23
12 E. MALKIN PIT 82 0.06 3.07 3.75 2.53 1.22
13 J. FRANZEN DET 71 0.06 2.13 3.22 2.01 1.22
14 M. HAVLAT CHI 81 0.05 2.89 3.77 2.57 1.20
15 J. CARTER PHI 81 0.04 2.67 3.61 2.62 1.00
16 P. ELIAS N.J 77 0.03 2.56 3.13 2.13 1.00
17 C. PERRY ANA 78 0.02 2.50 3.49 2.50 0.99
18 J. THORNTON S.J 82 0.04 2.33 3.07 2.13 0.94
19 A. BURROWS VAN 82 0.04 2.44 3.23 2.32 0.91
20 D. SETOGUCHI S.J 81 0.03 2.34 3.14 2.22 0.91

I think Blues coach Andy Murray had the right idea coming into the series to match his checkers — McClement, Steen and Crombeen — against the Sedins, as combating their even-strength dominance has to be priority No. 1 defensively. So far, however, it hasn't worked, and Daniel and Henrik are already leading the way in even-strength points the way they always seem to.

Part of Murray's problem has been trying to get the right matchups on the road, a tough task for any coach, and I believe only one of the twins' goals came with the checkers out there. My guess is the Sedins will have a tougher time during Games 3 and 4 in St. Louis.

As for those contracts: Should Vancouver go on a run, the smart money's on GM Mike Gillis ponying up to keep them in the fold. A tandem as good as the Sedins is tough to find, and the fact they're underrated keeps their price more reasonable than it would otherwise be.

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I had a similar thought a little while back

Although I see that there isn’t a lot of overlap between our two posts. I used EVPTS/60 in my post, and then compared their Corsi numbers with other members of the Canucks The results using EVPTS/60 are even more impressive (Daniel ranks 4th in the league, Henrik 11th) and I think it’s fair to say that the Sedins are the primary reason Vancouver is so dominant at even strength.

It's only my opinion, but it's right.

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by Jonathan Willis on Apr 18, 2009 2:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jonathan the links in your signature do not work. If you add http:// to the front it should fix them.

by Dana J on Apr 18, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

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by Jonathan Willis on Apr 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ladd

James,
The stat that stood out for me the most, through my Hawks tinted glasses, is that Andrew Ladd was 9th on that list, and far and away had the toughest Quality of Competition on that list. Based on that, you could make an argument that Ladd was one of the best players in the league at even strength. Anywhere. Which is weird.

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by SamFels on Apr 18, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True, although his point production is lower than a lot of the others here.

by James Mirtle on Apr 18, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bracket

I like how you picked Vancouver over Detroit in round 2, then as it just so happens, the line matchup the Sedins would likely draw in that series has two forwards on it that have better +/-ON/60 than the Wonder Twins.

Then again, Luongo has been a beast so far in 2 games and I’m getting way ahead of myself. When I first read that they were asking for about $6.5-7M each, I scratched my head, wondered if they were worth it, headed to the stats at NHL.com and ended up feeling incredibly silly. I do think they’re worth at least the lower end of that range. Definitely underrated guys. That being said, no way Vancouver makes it past Detroit in round 2 if they meet up there.

by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 18, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, let’s leave Round 2 analysis for when we get there.

by James Mirtle on Apr 18, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought ANA was playing DET in round two and VAN was driving south to ANA for round three? Was I misinformed?

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by puckreport on Apr 18, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

puck— It’ll reseed with highest vs. lowest, so Detroit would play Anaheim if both advance but, no offense to Anaheim, there’s still miles to go in that series before we see what happens.

If San Jose rallies back to win and, as somewhat expected now that the 2-0 teams win, it would be Detroit v. Vancouver in round 2.

But that’s getting a little ahead of things at this point.

by Hooks Orpik on Apr 19, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Sedins are definitely the best players on the Canucks, but remember that their +/- benefits from playing in front of the fifth-best team ES goaltending this season. The Sedins themselves might have something to do with that, if they limit odd-man rushes or keep shots outside, but the safe bet is the most of it is thanks to some guy named Luongo.

by RyanV on Apr 18, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely they have something to do with it. When the Sedins are out, they have puck possession more often than not, which limits the opposition’s ability to score.

To add my two cents to the discussion, I have no problem with Gillis paying market value for the Sedins. They’ve been a steal for the last three years, and the consistency (and durability…knock on wood) that they’ve shown suggests they’ll likely keep putting up near a point a game for at least the next few seasons.

I don’t think they’re superstars that can carry a team by themselves, but as long as there is some secondary scoring to take off some of the pressure, the Canucks will continue to be a good, if not great, team.

by Shabbadoo on Apr 18, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does the Sedins puck possession increase Luongo’s ability to stop shots? Having him back their means they have fewer minuses per shot allowed than most other forwards in the league, which was my point.

by RyanV on Apr 18, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goaltending’s definitely a factor (and one I should have mentioned) but you’ll note that this isn’t a list dominated by guys who have great goaltenders behind them. Luongo doesn’t affect the goals for at all, and their numbers there are pretty impressive against difficult opposition.

by James Mirtle on Apr 18, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does this mean that no one will laugh at the Leaf when they sign them this summer?

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by PPP on Apr 18, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No.

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by Dominik on Apr 19, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool stat

through Game 2, Daniel has 484 career points (regular season and playoffs). Henrik has 483. They actually were tied at 480 at the end of the year, but Daniel has 1 more point than his brother in the playoffs. I know they play together, but it’s still amazing to me that after almost 700 games (each) they are that close.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 18, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Henrik also has the 3rd highest career point-per-game rate for 3rd overall picks in the last 20 years. His .71 is behind just Gaborik (.87) and Toews (.84).

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 18, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gillis is going to have a hell of a time replacing that level of production. He’s got to pony up the money.

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by Yankee Canuck on Apr 18, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

according to me, sedins bros arent that good yet. they play better hockey since Sundin is there. So far in 2009 playoff, they are polaying against the Blues. sincerly, ths st-louis blues. i think we should wait before saying they are elite players. yes they do play in the NHL but wait. canucks will officially loose the next series.
detroit is elite.
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by beecee on Apr 19, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs


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