Dying in the desert

The good news when it comes to the Phoenix Coyotes is that all indications are they're staying put for next season.
The bad news?
The NHL has the absolute right to revoke a franchise at any time, which supersedes agreements such as the Coyotes' arena lease, which calls for enormous financial penalties if the team leaves before it expires in 2033.
"Even if the league has to pump $40-million into the team, there is still no risk," the owner said. "It would be an absolute last resort, but the NHL could get its money back by revoking the franchise, selling it and moving it to another city."
It's ugly stuff if you're a fan of the Coyotes or one of the politicians who ponied up to build a rink for the team in Glendale, as Jobing.com Arena could potentially become a incredibly expensive white elephant as soon as 2010.
David Shoalts's portrait of the situation indicates that current Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes is essentially finished with the franchise, and given their financial history, it seems unreasonable that another buyer can be found without some serious concessions made by Glendale. One of which would be to include an out clause in the lease.
Here's Tom Benjamin on the "dead team skating" in Arizona:
The team could be sold if the City of Glendale wasn’t being so stubborn. They won’t let the team out of the lease on the brand new $180 MM arena. Regardless, the city is going to get screwed. They either lose the team after next year if they stick to their guns, or they lose the team in two years if they amend the lease.
The only silver lining? This arena could end up being an object lesson the next time a government thinks about buying an ice palace for the benefit of a billionaire’s business.
No kidding. Although it's not as if the NHL will have difficulty finding another "ice palace" to stick its 30th team should the Coyotes fold.
The Sprint Center, for one, is still dying for a tenant, perhaps enough for that city to make ownership in another soft U.S. market more palatable than its been for Moyes. We know for a fact that Kings owner AEG is desperate for a team to fill the rink in Kansas City given their arrangement there, what with their dealings with Boots Del Biaggio and the Predators, and the fact a friend of the NHL wants a team on the cheap may be enough to easily resurrect a franchise after folding the Coyotes.
I've written about this in relation to the team in Nashville, and just how important the local ownership group there is to their survival: The No. 1 reason a team stays viable in a market is the fact that someone sees value in owning them in that location, and right now, it's hard to imagine anyone doing so with the Coyotes. (You can say the same for what's happening with the Islanders and Charles Wang, too.)
Benjamin's absolutely right. Barring some serious concessions from Glendale, this team won't be sold. With the serious concessions, it potentially gets moved.
Pick your poison.
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I've been to a Coyotes-Kings game in Jobing.com arena
and (my apologies to the one or two coyotes fans out there) it was miserable. This franchise needs to be moved.
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by cold on Apr 20, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So are the destined to become the Expos of the NHL? What happened to those investors Bettman was allegedly helping to line up towards the end of the season?
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by Blackcapricorn on Apr 20, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From the Shoalts piece I linked to:
Several potential buyers with deep pockets have looked at the club at Bettman’s request, but all declined after seeing at the Coyotes’ financial numbers. It is estimated Moyes has lost more than $250-million on the team since he bought it in 2001.
by James Mirtle on Apr 20, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, thanks James. Upon further reflection, the Expos are an apt analogy as the team was taken over by MLB until it could be moved to DC. It happens.
My curiosity now shifts to where. Obviously KC is on the tip of the NHL’s brass’ tongue but could this be a second way in for Ballsille if he is willing to assume the penalties on the lease (which I think still would be in effect even if the NHL steps in)? He has enough money, I wouldn’t bet against him using this situation as leverage to move them to Ontario.
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by Blackcapricorn on Apr 20, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously KC is on the tip of the NHL’s brass’ tongue but could this be a second way in for Ballsille if he is willing to assume the penalties on the lease (which I think still would be in effect even if the NHL steps in)?
The scenario in the story is laid out with the NHL folding the Coyotes and granting an expansion team to another location in order to avoid the penalties. I believe they’d be far too onerous for anyone to pay (or so the thinking goes).
by James Mirtle on Apr 20, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He cites this unsubstantiated claim everytime there is something to write about the coyotes.
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by OdinMercer on Apr 20, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoalts. Sorry for the confusion. James is top rate (See boss, I can be nice!) Shoalts keeps harping that no one wants to buy, but never substantiates who is looking or how he learns this stuff.
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by OdinMercer on Apr 20, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no problem
I posted before I read your comment below. duh.
by yrmom on Apr 20, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems reasonably clear that (as Benjamin alludes to) one or more NHL owners are leaking information about the Coyotes. My guess is that some are unhappy with the idea that they’re going to prop up the franchise now that Moyes has thrown up his hands.
by James Mirtle on Apr 20, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s where we differ. I don’t think that’s obvious. All I want is some clear tuths about what’s going on. From either side. I’m impatient with the Coyotes to find a resolution just as i’m infuriated by the lack of any verifyable information. As much as i’d like to, I simply don’t trust any reports that can’t actually name a source. I think that goes doubly if an owner that’s unhappy paying to less monied teams is at the end of those quotes. Would it not be even better to paint the picture even more bleak than it already is? Shoalts offers some conjecture, Benjamin gives his opinion as though that conjecture is true and everyone thinks that’s rational?
I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not going to see things as exactly fair from my end or that i’m biased, but really? THis is the reporting I have to rely on to get news about my team? Unhappy owners that want to paint a bad picture? Moyes hasn’t forsaken the team. In fact he wasn’t to keep partial ownership of it. Every report i’ve heard down here has him keeping 20% or so of the team in almost every deal. Part of the reason he’s insisting on wanting that is to keep the team here. At the same time he can’t keep taking the losses though so we’ll have to see how far they budge.
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by OdinMercer on Apr 21, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who will buy this team in its current state? That’s the real question here. If no one wants to own an NHL team in Glendale, there can’t be one. And Shoalts’s source gives us a plausible way they could avoid breaking the lease while still moving the team.
Neither the NHL nor the Coyotes are going to give the fans there a straight answer on what exactly is happening, and the alternative to stories quoting unnamed owners is no stories at all, lies from Bettman and Co., and the rug being pulled out on fans in Phoenix at the last minute.
It’s happened before. There are no clear truths here because those in power don’t want there to be.
Could the picture being painted by other owners be worse than it is? Perhaps. But if there was any good news coming out of the situation, you better believe the NHL would be spreading the word.
Their silence speaks volumes.
Can the Coyotes be saved? Sure. But they’re in much, much more danger than the league is letting on, and the only reason you and I know that is these leaks. Forget the story and forget unnamed sources: What chance does this team have of finding a buyer? And, without one, how long will they last?
And Moyes’s wishes stop mattering once he stops paying the bills.
by James Mirtle on Apr 21, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could the picture being painted by other owners be worse than it is? Perhaps. But if there was any good news coming out of the situation, you better believe the NHL would be spreading the word.
Exactly, but I go further.
This story is not being spread by other owners tired of propping up the league. This is an organized leak from the league. This is the way the NHL releases bad news, and the plan going forward. It was timed to be buried in the welter of the playoff stories.
Shoalts even has a prospective owner on the record. Some body gave him that name. The NHL has a non-denial in the story. Unless the team gets an escape clause in the lease, the team is bankrupt. If they do get a change in the lease, the team will be sold and – unless there is a quick turnaround – moved.
by Tom Benjamin on Apr 21, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Legalese!
1) Interesting that the franchise can be ‘revoked’ but moved intact? So they wouldn’t be folding, but the team essentially would be relocated, renamed and the city couldn’t do anything about it?
2)To us non attorneys this seems to be like a bit of some high finance blackmail. Sounds like a lot of legalese that 99% of us wouldn’t understand.
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by Fauxrumors on Apr 20, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To us non attorneys this seems to be like a bit of some high finance blackmail.
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by Dominik on Apr 20, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure the NHL’s lawyers will have considered that… If they have to, they’d hold a dispersal draft of the Coyotes, then an expansion draft for a new club.
As bad as it is down there, I still hope to fly down for a Flames game next season. Guess I had better before the chance is lost forever.
by Resolute on Apr 20, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There could even be a year where the league goes down to 29 teams and back up to 30 for the following season.
by James Mirtle on Apr 20, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be curious
I’ll be interested in seeing what OdinMercier from Five For Howling thinks of Shoalts’ piece since Shoalts is on his scheisse list. Shoalts has made the Coyotes being moved out of Phoenix his pet issue.
by HockeyJoe on Apr 20, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh don't worry Joe
I’ve been working on a piece for a few days now. Everytime it just makes me more and more mad to look at. The real story there wasn’t even about the Coyotes! It was really about the NHL increasing it’s debt limit. If/When he starts actually citing sources (see NEVER) I’ll start actually listening to the BS he writes.
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by OdinMercer on Apr 20, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As someone who had to watch similar stories about Nashville over the last couple years, I sympathize with you. While it’ll never happen, it would be interesting to get at least a high-level view of how the numbers stack up to make the situation there so miserable. I understand there are some odd peculiarities there regarding parking costs, the location of the arena, etc., but you’d think a gigantic city like Phoenix could somehow support a team.
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by Dirk Hoag on Apr 20, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. It’s really hard to find anything out about what’s actually going on. THe team doesn’t want to say what’s up and of course tries to put on a good face, while others go to the other extreme. I just want truth even if it is bad, and can’t seem to find it.
As for the other things, the parking needs to get straightened out, but will be difficult to do with the shopping area around there. How do you differenciate who’s going where? The location isn’t all that bad either. On weekends it’s maybe 20 minutes further from downtown but parking is simple. On weekdays it’s a bit harder, but still maybe 40 minutes. It’d be just as brutal, but for different reasons downtown.
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by OdinMercer on Apr 20, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Low ticket prices, poor attendance, a rising salary floor … etc.
There are a lot of teams in the NHL in poor financial condition, and Phoenix is at the bottom of the list unfortunately.
by James Mirtle on Apr 20, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
Would the team fare any better in Kansas City? I guess so, but at the same time if you’re gonna move em, make it a big one to a new or old/proven market.
by Rob Luker on Apr 20, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What constitutes an “old/proven market?” People like to harp on Hartford, Winnipeg, and Quebec City, but I don’t see any of those three being realistic options for supporting an NHL franchise.
by David M. Getz on Apr 20, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle would need a new arena built. From scratch. Key arena is set up like Phoenix’s old barn – no room for a rink without extending it under one end of the upper deck.
There's no use being pessimistic, it won't work anyway.
by Mike in MN on Apr 21, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. I knew there was a hitch, I just was too lazy to run around trying to find/remember what the reason was.
Thank you for heads up on that one.
by rsm on Apr 21, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still fairly plausible
There’s a decent chance that Seattle will cave and build a new arena to get the Sonics back within the next 5 years or so, and getting an NHL team too would sweeten the bargain for the city.
by yugret on Apr 22, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to live not too far from Seattle, and went down there a few times, and it just doesn’t strike me as a hockey town. I know the minor hockey system’s not that developed there, for one thing, and the Seahawks and Mariners get all of the attention. The NHL would be a distant third there (other than getting some support from B.C.ers making the trip south).
by James Mirtle on Apr 22, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle is the largest media market without an NHL team
Seattle doesn’t really have a hockey culture, but it’s a city full of people who like sports but aren’t really passionately attached to one of the local teams in particular. The size of the potential fanbase and corporate sponsors make it economically more appealing than pretty much anywhere else to a potential owner.
by yugret on Apr 22, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What about Houston, Texas? That is a larger media market. Seattle’s second, followed by San Diego, Portland, Cincinnati and Cleveland.
The fact is there aren’t many good untapped markets in the U.S. After Houston, Seattle would be the best of some bad options.
by James Mirtle on Apr 22, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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