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Where NHLers come from: Russia

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I did a pretty extensive series about where NHLers come from back in December, but for whatever reason, there were a few countries I missed and I've had the related graphs sitting on my desktop for a few months.

So, on a day when three Russians were nominated for the Hart Trophy, here's a look at what percentage of the NHL was born in that country throughout league history:

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The decline of Russian players in the NHL has been widely discussed on the blogosphere and in the media, but this gives you a good idea of just how drastic a decline its been. Less than 10 years ago, there were nearly double the number of Russian players in the NHL than there are today.

Which makes it all the more remarkable that the three MVP candidates are from that country.

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Y-axis?

Percent of NHLers?

Also, what’s the explanation behind the pre-WW2 numbers? Did the Russians playing then go back to join the Red Army and then never returned?

by Its Cold In Here on Apr 29, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You would be looking at Johnny Gottselig, born in Odessa but trained in Regina, who spent his entire NHL career in Chicago. Given that there were only maybe 100 NHLers at the time (7-10 teams, 10-15 players), the fluctuation around 1% is basically the fluctuation in his personal GP. He spent two years in the minors in the early ’40s before coming back for one more full season in 1943-44 (the spike), in the early Original Six league.

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by Doogie2K on Apr 29, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doogie … you’re absolutely right.

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by James Mirtle on Apr 29, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where have they gone? Is the rise of local leagues responsible?

http://puckreport.blogspot.com

MG

by puckreport on Apr 29, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s either that or the drop off in the quality of Russian prospects. My guess would be a bit of both.

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by James Mirtle on Apr 29, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, there are a number of things going on here. First we have to ask why the numbers were so inflated to begin with. Answering that question partially explains the subsequent drop.

The collapse of the Soviet Union lead to the top players making waves over here in the NHL. What then transpired was a bit of xenophilia and heavy drafting of Russian talent (the number of Russians drafted starting declining before the problems with the transfer agreement). You had guys like Maxim Balmochnykh and Alex Boikov who ended up playing 10 games or less. Do Leafs fans remember Dmitri Yakushin? Probably not. We don’t really see that anymore. That should explain the peak.

The second question is of course why the talent pool seems to be drying up so substantially. I’d like to say that when that original wave of talent didn’t pan out NHL teams started to wisen up – I can’t say that with a straight face.

The significant declines begin with the rise of the Russian Superleague and with the transfer agreement controversies.

The RSL/KHL has had a substantial impact in that the borderline NHL talent could make decent money back home, and so would stay back instead of opting for life in the AHL (and experience the brief call-ups that might come with the minor league career). This really only started to gain momentum as the price of oil went up and Russia as a whole had more money to invest in professional sports (a barrel of oil went for about $25 in 2000; by 2008 it was $125). This is why the decline starts slightly before the transfer agreement controversies of 2003 onward – the players were choosing to stay. The KHL isn’t seriously competitive for top players, but it does compete for middle-of-the-road players.

The transfer agreement becomes a problem insomuch as it limits those players who do want to come over and take the chance – they can’t do so freely anymore.

However, I don’t think the transfer agreement has gone unsigned long enough for there to have been a disastrous impact on the number of Russians… yet. That graph line will most certainly drop lower and lower. Because of the rightful fears of GMs in signing draft picks, retiring players aren’t going to be matched one-for-one by new draft picks.

We could see the number of Russian players dwindle to under 20. MOR talent simply won’t make it to these shores. The players that will be over here will be the elite talents – guys that are worth taking chances on (Filatov, Ovechkin, Malkin, etc.).

As for the talent pool… well, you’d have thought that the infrastructure collapse in the 1990s would have killed Russian hockey. Somehow they still ended up with incredible players and a pretty decent junior program (remember that Canada wasn’t exactly the dominant team in the late 90s and early 2000s at the U-20s). There arguably hasn’t been a drop-off.

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by PRC on May 1, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Russia’s been pretty decent at the world juniors but hasn’t won gold in six tournaments now. Still, three silvers and two bronzes isn’t too shabby, given the competition.

I don’t know that we’ll know the effect on the talent pool for another few years.

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by James Mirtle on May 1, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t know how they managed to keep their junior system functioning so well in the lean post-Soviet years other than to suggest that there was a lag, so you’re right, there may be some effects down the line – I know that there have been complaints about the state of coaching in Russia and I don’t know if that’s really being/been addressed. Putin and Fetisov seem to have done a good job in revamping facilities, but personnel isn’t something that has gotten a lot of attention.

Russia hasn’t won gold in six tournaments, but I think that has more to do with Canada putting more focus on the tournament. Remember when Canadian hockey was in crisis? It wasn’t that long ago that the “Open Ice” conference was held and changes started to be implemented — perhaps a story idea there for you, James!

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by PRC on May 2, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would also think that NHL GMs are being a bit gun-shy about them in the wake of the lack of a transfer agreement and other recent shenanigans (Malkin, Radulov).

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by Doogie2K on Apr 29, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But there was still a transfer agreement in place when the decline started, wasn’t there?

by ShaneG on Apr 29, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call. Looks like the hefty plummet starts around ’02 or ’03.

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by Doogie2K on Apr 29, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair there were fewer teams when the number of Russians peaked, so the number of players has dropped but not quite as significantly as the percentage.

by GOOLIAN on Apr 29, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not really. It looks like the peak was around 2000, when the League was already up to 30 teams. (James has the raw data, he can correct me if I’m wrong.) If anything, expansion seems more likely to explain the small dip during the mid-90s.

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by Doogie2K on Apr 29, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be right. It was a little hard to tell where the peak was.

by GOOLIAN on Apr 29, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I Can See...

The amount of Russians rising in the coming years because of scoring being on the rise and the game is starting to open up more again. Defense is starting to be death, nowadays.

by Rob Luker on Apr 29, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, maybe a little, but I guarantee the team that wins the Cup plays a tight defensive game.

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by James Mirtle on Apr 29, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scoring on the rise?

You’re a Rangers fan apparently, you should know this as much as anyone- the “new NHL” is fast becoming extinct.

I don’t have the breakdown on goals per game (and I wouldn’t use the stat anyway because of shootouts potentially being counted), but the “wide open” NHL is a myth…I think most people realize that by now.

Individual 100 point seasons by year:
’03: 3
’04: 0
’06: 7
’07: 7
’08: 2
’09: 3

Individual 80 point seasons by year:
’03: 14
’04: 8
’06: 26
’07: 28
’08: 19
’09: 17

Individual 50 goal seasons by year:
’03: 1
’04: 0
’06: 5
’07: 2
’08: 3
’09: 1

Individual 40 goal seasons by year:
’03: 6
’04: 3
’06: 11
’07: 10
’08: 10
’08: 8

We’re not yet at pre-lockout levels, but as you can see, we’re getting awfully close. I think the “new NHL” ended somewhere between December and June of 2008.

by Make a play Whitner on May 1, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scoring decreased the first two years after the high-scoring first year after the lockout, and then went back up this year to about 5.70 goals per game. It was down to around 5.35 prelockout.

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by James Mirtle on May 1, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The KHL is imploding too, so I imagine the floodgates might open.

by GOOLIAN on Apr 30, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs


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