Report: Avs offer Roy coach, GM duties
According to a Montreal report, Pierre Lacroix has upped the ante in his pursuit of Patrick Roy to rejoin the Avalanche.
Ruefrontenac.com — a website run by locked-out journalists from Le Journal de Montreal — reported Sunday that Avs president Lacroix has offered Roy the jobs of coach and general manager, and that Roy wants to hire Sylvain Lefebvre and Guy Boucher as his assistant coaches.
I don't like it. Bringing in Roy as coach alone makes some sense, but I don't think anyone can do the dual roles effectively anymore given how complicated GMing has become and Roy would be stepping in with zero management experience at the pro level and ony six years removed from playing goal for the Avs.
The Habs are apparently also in the running for Roy's services as a coach, and some reports have indicated that's why Lacrois "has upped the ante." The Avs franchise is in a real mess right now, on the roster and at the gate, and handing the keys to a star from the glory days reeks of desperation.
Colorado fell to 26th in NHL attendance this year and was 28th in the standings. Another mistake at the GM position and Lacroix risks putting this franchise in a truly awful place.
(Meanwhile they're leaving Tony Granato in an awful place all along as he sits in the coach's role in name only. Why they'd leave him twisting in the wind, I haven't the foggiest.)
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after years of being one of the strongest franchises in the NHL, a benchmark for success, the Avs look to be taking a huge nosedive. When Sakic eventually retires, there will be nothing left to tie this team to it’s greatest years… and that, I think, is why they’re so desperate to bring in Roy.
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by Karina on May 25, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, if Garth Snow can do it…..errrrr……nevermind.
by cferneyh on May 25, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cferneyh:
Garth Snow CAN do it. There isnt anybody who actually paying attention to what he has done who thinks he is doing a bad job. Enough with the stupid go***mn jokes already.
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on May 25, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like it. Bringing in Roy as coach alone makes some sense, but I don’t think anyone can do the dual roles effectively anymore given how complicated GMing has become
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by Jibblescribbits on May 25, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Consider the source
I don’t trust the source of the information. The website “RueFrontenac.org” or something like it, has never broken a story of this nature regarding hockey before. Why should we believe that they have gotten hold of this juicy bit of information?
If Montreal is indeed trying to court him, which there has been no indication that they are (in fact, there has been only one leak regarding who might be coaching in Montreal, and he was a Russian coach who said he turned down a coaching job with Montreal), it’s possible that the Roy camp leaked this “info” to try and pressure the Habs into a decision. I find it doubtful that the Avs have offered Patrick this much authority, even knowing how close Lacroix is to Patrick.
The fact that this story is picking up so much steam (as if it is fact) based on the unknown source seems irresponsible.
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by saskhab on May 25, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The fact is that ruefrontenac.org, as Dater states, is a website run by locked out journalists. They normally write for a low rent newspaper (Journal de Montréal), and now don’t even have their newspaper credentials to operate. I really have a hard time believing anything they say.
by Habs on May 25, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, never caught that tidbit. I was going off of reading the intiial reporting of it and not Dater’s (TSN picked it up, as did H I/O and many other sources). My second theory holds true, though… it could easily be a “false leak” designed as a pressure tactic to force the Habs into a decision.
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by saskhab on May 25, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is a “locked out” journalist?
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by Karina on May 25, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some background on RueFrontenac.com
They’re basically fighting to maintain what they have at present while Quebecor wants to gut the paper like they are doing to most of their publications in Ontario under the former Osprey and Bowes banners.
http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/01/24/journal-de-montreal-lockout-begins/
by Exit716 on May 25, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are under lock out, so essentially they’re on strike, due to collective bargaining agreement negotiations that are going nowhere.
Because the paper continues to get published by the Journal de Montreal executives, the reporters and journalists have started this website to continue their job.
by Habs on May 25, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you lend them so little credibility?
They normally write for a low rent newspaper (Journal de Montréal)
Fair enough assessment, I suppose. It should be noted, however, that the Journal does boast the third highest circulation in the country, behind only The Toronto Star and The Globe. To describe The Star as low rent in comparison to The Globe would also be a valid opinion. It just seems to me that your phrasing is intended to discredit the paper as invalid, when more people read it than any publication in Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa, or even your preferred source, Dater at The Denver Post.
The paper continues to get published by the Journal de Montreal executives
As Exit716 alludes to, these executives from Quebecor may have newspaper credentials, but are hardly the people to be counted on to deliver trustworthy local news. Aside from the obvious conflict of interest in having a media company vying to purchase the Habs, when that media company locks out all of its actual reporters, I find it hard to believe anything that they have to say. Thankfully, they had nothing to report, while their locked out reporters continued to do their jobs next door at Rue Frontenac.
Maybe neither party is trustworthy, in your mind, and that is fair enough. What struck me as odd, however, was your willingness to quote Dater as a reliable source, when he is the one cited as having quoted Rue Frontenac. When comparing Dater’s report to the original report, I’m sure you’d agree that his assertion that Billington would be offered “the co-GM position”, is the result of his misinterpretation or faulty translation, and that his emphasis of this point has, as thus, taken a strong foothold among the commenters on his site.
I knew Dater years ago, and continue to follow his Avalanche coverage semi-religiously. His unbiased approach to his beat is refreshing in today’s world, so I don’t want to cast him in a bad light at all. I just feel that it is worth noting that every chapter he has written in this Patrick Roy saga has been sourced from Canadian journalists, including those that you seem perfectly willing to dscredit.
Dater’s is a market with zero competition, save for the reporters at InDenverTimes.com, who used to have credentials when they served as “legitimate” reporters at the Rocky Mountain News. Since none of these three publications have the circulation of the Journal, one could describe them all as low rent newspapers.
But then, how accurate would that statement be?
by TD O'Dell on May 25, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough assessment, I suppose. It should be noted, however, that the Journal does boast the third highest circulation in the country, behind only The Toronto Star and The Globe.
Circulation does not equal quality. Circulation simply means that you’re in a big city.
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by Doogie2K on May 25, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
Steve Simmons is billed as Canada’s most widely ‘read’ sports columnist…make of that what you will.
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by PPP on May 26, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All valid points. Maybe my comment was too short, as in fact it didn’t reflect all that I thought, and I can see it now when I re-read it.
First off, I don’t believe the Journal de Montréal’s is any more credible now than it was with it’s actual reporters doing the work. I agree that having the execs run the show tends to discredit the impartial aspect of what news reporting is about.
As for Dater, I really don’t read much of what he writes. I was quoting him in the sense that he already had mentioned that the reporters from ruefrontenac.com were locked out. Whether Dater is or not a reliable source, is irrelevant in this situation – I know for a fact that this information about ruefrontenac.com is true, therefore I feel safe in tying it with his article, because that’s first and foremost the subject of discussion here.
Finally, by low rent newspaper, I am not referring to readership. I understand the Journal has the highest circulation in Montreal (and third best in Canada), but to me that simply means more people are interested in reading a mediocre paper. By low rent, I mean lack of quality reporting (now and before the lock out), obvious bias on many subjects, rarity of objectivity in reporting, sensationalism-first attitude (less real information, more juicy rumors). This, to me, is the Journal de Montréal (and by extension, ruefrontenac.com), so that’s why I called it low rent.
Maybe I’m too harsh, and maybe that doesn’t prevent them from having good sources once in a while. But my experience with that publication has seen way more false reports that sell copies, than anything else.
by Habs on May 25, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So wait a second....
Are you telling me that the USA Today could also be considered low rent? C’mon.
Have you seen how many colours they use?
Point, set and match, O’Dell.
by TD O'Dell on May 25, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won’t dispute the quality (or lack thereof) of the Journal’s reportage. I get most of my news from Allo, Police, so I’m not in a position to say (btw, they carried the same picture of a prone Havlat, only he was totally nude on that cover).
As for Dater, you should read much of what he writes – his shit is quality old-school hockey writing. Irrelevant or not to this conversation, he is a reliable source, so if he linked to the Rue Frontenac article, I tend to lend it some creedence. If he ever links to anything I wrote, however, take that with an entire shaker of salt.
As for the rent on Frontenac St itself, I would urge anyone thinking of attending UQAM to seek out lodging there. It’s a bit of a trek over to Berri, but the relative lack of local panhandlers more than off-sets the cost savings of a St. Denis address, after daily mandatory donations are taken into account. If you insist upon a more central home-base, might I recommend the apartments above Mmmuffins, at the corner of Maisonneuve. It’s Hell during Just For Laughs, but the ovens below allow you to save on heating in the winter.
by TD O'Dell on May 25, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there’s something to it, so I went with it. I believe Roy has already been offered the coaching gig and isn’t jumping at that, so it makes sense they would try more to woo him. I haven’t see Lacroix deny anything yet.
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by James Mirtle on May 25, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You won’t see the Colorado organization do anything. They don’t talk to ANYBODY. That’s why Dater’s getting his limited info from north of the border.
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
by Mike @ MHH on May 26, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d prefer Roy to coach Montreal for comedy’s sake.
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by PPP on May 25, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Bob Gainey and George Gillette don’t sit behind the bench. The only person Roy will be able to tell off this time is Jean Beliveau, and I really wouldn’t think he’d give two shits one way or the other.
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by Doogie2K on May 25, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would heartily encourage Joe Sakic to retire now before this circus show brings in the bearded lady to play goal and the two-headed boy to anchor the blueline.
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by ZarleyZalapski on May 25, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I’m assuming Roy’s first move as Dictator of the Avalanche will be to make his son’s newest single the Avalanche’s goal song.
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by saskhab on May 25, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just rec’d a post that links to me… is that kosher or shameless?
by Jibblescribbits on May 25, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shameless – but your “circus show” post was hilarious, so you should get clemency from the blogging etiquette police for this one. :)
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by Baroque on May 25, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re making the mistake of thinking I mind being shameless, I had to ask because I don’t feel those feelings.
by Jibblescribbits on May 26, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhh think I have to flag your post now…
The recs really don’t get used often enough around here.
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by James Mirtle on May 25, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shameless. The fact that you asked the question is kosher. The fact that you HAD to ask the question is shameless.
Then again, with a name like Jibblescribbits, it has to be kosher, right?
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
by Mike @ MHH on May 26, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
journalism
Habs writes: “The fact is that ruefrontenac.org…is a website run by locked out journalists. They normally write for a low rent newspaper (Journal de Montréal), and now don’t even have their newspaper credentials to operate. I really have a hard time believing anything they say.”
Do you need a press pass to dial a phone number?
by garth the hoser on May 25, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you need a press pass to dial a phone number?
Do other reporters know that they can get scoops just by asking?
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by PPP on May 25, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends who you are asking.
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by James Mirtle on May 25, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you don’t. But when the same reporters, fully backed by their paper, have a hard time coming up with anything but trash, I find it dubious at best that when operating freelance they suddenly have superb sources.
by Habs on May 25, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fair enough. Given the detail involved in the report, however, I imagine there’s something going on here. There’s certainly something coming out of Colorado in the near future.
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by James Mirtle on May 25, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Lake Erie players dressing in horrible Avalanche uniprons? Cuz that’s the only thing I see coming out of Colorado in the near future…
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
by Mike @ MHH on May 26, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me Jimmy Hoffa
Oh, and “locked out” is most definitely NOT “on strike.” There’s a difference and anybody who has experienced either could tell you so.
by garth the hoser on May 25, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK Jimmy, I’ll bite. Tell us your experiences about being locked out or on strike.
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
by Mike @ MHH on May 26, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The idiots that make up the union representing Telus employees in Alberta and BC sure couldn’t figure out the difference a couple years ago, but I digress…
by Resolute on May 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Avs want to shoot themselves in the head, far be it from this Red Wings fan to try to dissuade them. We have the Blackhawks as new biggest rival ever.
by J. Michael Neal on May 25, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Biggest rival ever...
starting this year, lame. You are beating the same coach as last year…and that is ok with me…
by From the Point on May 25, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not Q’s fault his goalies get sick before Red Wings post-season games. It’s his fault he has his defense-optional defense switched to “OFF” in front of those sick goalies though. And that he starts sick goalies.
OK, I totally submarined my own point, but my point is still valid: Q is not a good coach for sick goalies.
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
by Mike @ MHH on May 26, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much for that
Who’s next? Pierre Maguire?
by TD O'Dell on May 27, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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