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Where would Hamilton play?

IF The Coyotes relocate to Hailton, where would they play? A move from Phoenix to Hamilton could radically alter the divisions.

This is pure nonsense from my part, but what if The NHL went all bat-shit crazy and totally altered the divisions? Imagine if The Avalanche took Phoenix's place in The Pacific Division, Chicago replaced The Avs in The Northwest and Nashville replaced The Capitals in the Southeast Division.

The Northwest would consist of Calgary, Chicago, Edmonton, Minnesota and Vancouver.

The Pacific would then consist of Anaheim, Colorado, Dallas, Los angeles and San Jose.

The Southeast would include Atlanta, Carolina, Florida, Nashville and Tampa Bay.

I would assume that The Hamilton franchise would play in the Eastern Conference giving the east four canadian teams. I would spread  the Canadian teams to two divisions since I think four Canadian teams in one division would sadly make that division rather forgettable in the eyes of the American Mainstream Media.

How about moving Buffalo and Washington to The Central Division? That would mean the Central Division now has Buffalo, Columbus, Detroit, St. Louis and Washington? (Ok, I admit that my planning is already faulty but I'll finish this post for the sake of starting a good discussion).

Then have The Northeast Division (under a new name of course) consist of Boston, Montreal, NY Islanders, NY Rangers and Ottawa.

Finally you have The Atlantic Division with Hamilton, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Toronto.

Wow. That's not very good planning at all! I guess I should apologize for making you read this post. There are so many holes in my post. For instance, imagine Washington traveling coast to coast to play Vancouver and The California teams eight times a year? Not happening. Not in a million years. It seemed like a good idea when I started this post...

The Central Division: Buffalo, Columbus, Detroit, St. Louis and Washington.

The Northwest Division: Calgary, Chicago, Edmonton, Minnesota and Vancouver.

The Pacific Division: Anaheim, Colorado, Dallas, Los angeles and San Jose.

The Southeast Division: Atlanta, Carolina, Florida, Nashville and Tampa Bay.

The Northeast Division: Boston, Montreal, NY Islanders, NY Rangers and Ottawa.

The Atlantic Division: Hamilton, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Toronto.

Again, for the sake of a good argument: I'm interested in hearing from you on how you think The NHL would look like if The Coyotes moved to Hamilton?

Sweden over and out.

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I’d assume if something like this were to happen, they’d leave them in the West. It’s really the simplest move, and considering it’s the NHL vs. Balsillie… I think the NHL would try and “screw” Balsillie at least a little.

Expansion plans would then focus in the future on 3 Western locations… Kansas City, Las Vegas, and… you guessed it, Phoenix. Two of those locations have a readymade NHL arena. After a league expansion, then they’d consider moving Hamilton and Detroit or Columbus to the East.

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by saskhab on May 6, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it would be good and bad to see Colorado moved from the NW, and they’re definitely the biggest candidates to move if this goes down, I agree.

good: less travel for the team that travels the most if they get moved into the Pacific.
bad: rivalries with other NW teams are gone, still have pretty long travel everywhere.

I could see complete reorganization of the conferences, personally. Minnesota belongs in the Central more than the Northwest, Nashville should be in the Eastern somewhere…

by thedoctor on May 6, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no way does Nashville get into the Eastern Conference before Detroit.

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by IAmJoe on May 6, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why wouldn’t Vancouver be the main candidate to move to the Pacific division? I understand the Alberta rivalries, but there are no teams that would be movable without cutting games versus rivals. Vancouver is on the Pacific coast, it just seems like a no brainer to me.

by Jermaniac on May 6, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not...

Pacific: Vancouver, San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Colorado
Northwest:Calgary, Edmonton, Minnesota, Chicago, St. Louis
CentralDetroit, Columbus, Dallas, Hamilton, Nashville

East stays the same.

by Selanne on May 6, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We could also try

Southwest: San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Colorado, Dallas
Northwest: Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Minnesota, Chicago
Midwest: Detroit, Hamilton, St Louis, Columbus, Nashville

by Selanne on May 6, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don’t forget that one of the league’s most prominent teams wants more than anything to get into the Eastern Conference, and has some damn good arguments for it. I can’t see any way that Nashville or Columbus end up in the Eastern Conference before Detroit does.

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by IAmJoe on May 6, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Hamilton got forced into the West. Remember, if this all works out, Bettman is going to be pissed at Balsillie. Balsillie will likely be willing to put up with Western Conference travel, if it means he gets a team, so they can sort of force it on the team. Plus, moving any of the other Eastern teams into the West is going to piss off an entire fanbase, who will (rightfully) say “Hey, we were here first, and dammit, we want to stay here!”. Getting Buffalo and/or Washington to move west will be a non-starter. Hamilton will just be happy to have a team, even if it means being in the Western conference. What this might mean though, is the movement of someone (probably Chicago, being furthest west) into one of the other Western divisions, to allow Hamilton into the Central.

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by IAmJoe on May 6, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pick up a map recently?

Pretty sure St. Louis is further west than Chicago.

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by Afino on May 6, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh shit

You got me there.

Then I guess the above post stands, but with St. Louis moving out of the Central instead of Chicago.

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by IAmJoe on May 6, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about four divisions?

What’s great about this sketch game is there is no ideal answer. I’m a fan of returning to four divisions and making teams play their way out of the division in the playoffs (Disclosure: I come from the school of Patrick and Norris Division nostalgia).

Given that there is no way to divide up purely by time zones, and given that you can’t make four even divisions, I’d be a fan of something like this, with a 16-team East and 14-team West:

The worst casualty in this sketch is splitting up Pennsylvania, and Atlanta and Columbus have to play outside their time zone (But Columbus is used to that, and Atlanta will move to K.C. anyway (kidding))…

Adams: Montreal, Balsillie, Toronto, Ottawa, Boston, Buffalo, Detroit, Pittsburgh
Patrick: Long Island, New York, Philadelphia, New Jersey, Washington, Carolina, Florida, Tampa Bay
Smythe: Anaheim, L.A., San Jose, Vancouver, Colorado, Edmonton, Calgary
Norris: Minnesota, Chicago, St. Louis, Dallas, Nashville, Columbus, Atlanta

Thoughts?

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by Dominik on May 6, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Unbalanced conferences will be a non-starter within the league meetings, I would think, if you’re still doing 8 spots in each conference get into the playoffs. It just makes things simpler to tell someone like Detroit, who is right on the edge of East/West to sit down, shut up, and go play in the West to make everyone happy. :-(

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by IAmJoe on May 6, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I wonder. But if you’re doing playoffs by division (4 of 7 in each West division and 4 of 8 in each East), it doesn’t sound all that unfair.

With the East-heavy weight of the league, something has to flex. They can’t pretend to want to balance time zones and geography and pretend that the league can be split evenly in two, east/west.

I love the premature discussions this announcement has set off :)

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by Dominik on May 6, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The other argument that would be for putting Hamilton in the West is this… it would bring all the Western Conference stars more closely under focus to the Toronto based Canadian media.

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by saskhab on May 7, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is definitely a significant factor. Detroit is a great example of using one of the EST based Western teams, to provide exposure for other Western teams. Detroit is a sexy team to put on TV for NBC and Versus. Hamilton might be as well. The West in general tends to get shafted in terms of national tv exposure, but one reason why Detroit gets a lot of games on Versus is that 1) they are a good and popular team, 2) showing a good and popular team that happens to be in the EST allows you to help show a matchup against a team who normally would not have made national tv, because of their timezone. If Hamilton could be used the same way, it would be a good thing for the West, and Detroit moving to the Eastern conference would cause a problem in an opposite regard, being the primary EST team in the West.

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by IAmJoe on May 7, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know about on American TV, but Hamilton would be a very big draw on the Canadian networks.

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by James Mirtle on May 8, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why keep having an east and a west? MLB and the NFL realized it’s not practical considering population distributions long ago. why not these as divisions (call them whatever you want, just placeholder names)

West: Ana, LA, SJ, Van, Edm, Cal, Col
Central: Minn, Chi, STL, Dal, Clb, Det, Nas
Northeast: NYI, NYR, BOS, MTL, TOR, BUF, OTT, HAM
Southeast: NJ, PHI, PITT, WAS, CAR, FLA, TBL, ATL

and combine the West +Southeast and the Central + Northeast. divisions are local, conferences don’t have to be.

by thedoctor on May 7, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i admit scheduling would be a little funky, but oh well. maybe like

each team plays in div 6 times against each team, teams in divs with 8 have one opponent they only play 4 time, teams in divs with 7 play a team from the other 7 team div 4 times. everyone else gets a home and home. that:

6 * 6 + 1 * 4 + 22 * 2 = 84 games. cut a couple preseson games, you’re good.

by thedoctor on May 7, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

The MLB and NFL did not “realize it’s not practical considering population distributions.” Both sports leagues are products of two leagues combining (for MLB, it was the National League and the American League; for the NFL, it was the NFL and the AFL). That is why they are the way they are.

by VA Libertarian on May 8, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But since then they’ve done plenty of realigning of divisions and conferences and such. Its not like nothing ever changed since the AFL/NFL merger.

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by IAmJoe on May 8, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

make 4 divisions instead of 6

so that 3rd spot in the playoffs can be earned fairly…

with the 4 divisons, i like to see:

they bring back the original 6 in one division

make sure the caps, flyers, and pens are in the same division (bring back that cap/flyer rivalry)

split the new york market, put the rangers in one conference and the islanders in another. (like the NFL)

move more Canadian teams together in the same division…

by fitzy first on May 7, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This re-alignment is easy.

Northwest: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Minnesota, St. Louis
Pacific: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose, Colorado, Dallas
Central: Detroit, Hamilton, Columbus, Nashville, Chicago

Despite the Avs losing their recent rivalries in the northwest, people forget they had a pretty testy relationship with Dallas in the 90s that could be renewed.

Now, I seriously doubt the NHL will let Glendale get stuck with a fairly new empty arena, so expect the Coyotes to return in the future. Likewise, I would safely bet that the Thrashers will eventually leave Atlanta, and the NHL won’t look as bad because at least Atlanta’s arena hosts the NBA’s Hawks as well. In Arizona, the NBA’s Suns have their own arena, so Glendale would look like the NHL suckered it.

I would like to say Nashville or Florida would move as well, but like the Coyotes, both clubs play in arenas that their cities built just for them (well, sorta… Nashville’s arena was built to lure an NHL or NBA team, but there is no other tenant currently. The Panthers digs were, however, built just for them).

One really intriguing possibility involves the Islanders moving – they still can’t lock in a deal for a new arena, though their owner seems committed to New York.

NHL 2011-2012?:

Southwest: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Phoenix, Las Vegas
Northwest: Vancouver, San Jose, Edmonton, Calgary
Plains: Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota, Kansas City/Winnipeg
Central: St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, Hamilton

Southeast: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Nashville
Atlantic: Washington, Philadelphia, New Jersey, Pittsburgh
Midwest: Columbus, Toronto, Buffalo, Ottawa
Northeast: New York Rangers, New York Islanders, Boston, Montreal

Notes on this 32-team alignment:
-I don’t think the NHL should expand, but I doubt the business side of things will let American cities that built arenas for hockey fail. This would be a serious no-no in the American business community, and could make it very difficult for successful U.S. franchises to get new arenas when they need them.
-I agree that it’s a good idea to leave Detroit in the west for exposure/TV’s sake.
-Putting Dallas and Minnesota together is almost too good to be true.
-Hopefully Kansas City gets a basketball team (the return of the Kings, anyone?) so that Atlanta winds up moving to Winnipeg. I’d much rather the ‘Plains’ division be Colorado, Dallas, Winnipeg, and Minnesota.
-I don’t think Las Vegas deserves a team, but I know how badly the league wants a team there. Again, like with Kansas City, hopefully the NBA beats them there so the NHL wises up.

Thoughts?

by VA Libertarian on May 8, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If the NHL can resist the Vegas temptation (or the NBA beats them to it), put the other team in Kansas City/Winnipeg. That’d make for:

Los Angeles, Anaheim, Phoenix, and Dallas or Colorado
Minnesota, Winnipeg, Kansas City, and Dallas or Colorado

by VA Libertarian on May 8, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d also be open to any number of configurations in the east, i.e.:

Southeast: TB, CAR, NAS, FLA (I don’t see that moving too much under my scenario)
Atlantic: WAS, PHI, PIT, COL
Northeast: NYI, NYR, BOS, NJ
Midwest: BUF, TOR, MTL, OTT

the northeast gets tricky, obviously.

by VA Libertarian on May 8, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, if the league says heck with it and adds 2 teams (let’s say Hamilton/Toronto2 and either Winnipeg or KC) as a way to settle this whole Phoenix mess, how about this:

Smythe/Pacific: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Colorado, SJ, LA, Anaheim, and PHX.
Norris/Central: MN, Chi, Det, Columbus, St Louis, Dallas, Hamilton/Toronto 2, and KC or Winnipeg
Patrick/Atlantic: Pittsburgh, Philly, DC, Carolina, Atlanta, Florida, TB, and Nashville
Adams/Northeast: NYR, NYI, NJ, Boston, Buffalo, Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal

Also, a schedule where every team plays a home-and-home series with every other team (total of 62), plus four additional games against your divisional opponents (28). I realize that’s only 80 games, but if that’s a problem, just add a few at-large games.

There's no use being pessimistic, it won't work anyway.

by Mike in MN on May 9, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs


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