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2009 NHL Free Agents Big Board: Goaltenders

It's probably going to be a tough summer to be a goalie. There aren't many teams searching for a starter, and there's a lot of company in free agency, looking for a contract.

If I'm an agent, getting my guy signed early has to be a priority.

Here are this year's unrestricted free agent goaltenders, sorted by last year's wins:

2008-09
PLAYER TM Age Cap hit GP W Spct
1 BIRON, MARTIN PHI 31.9 3.500 55 29 0.915
2 ROLOSON, DWAYNE EDM 39.7 3.667 63 28 0.915
3 KHABIBULIN, NIKOLAI CHI 36.5 6.750 42 25 0.919
4 CLEMMENSEN, SCOTT N.J 31.9 0.500 40 25 0.917
5 CONKLIN, TY DET 33.2 0.750 40 25 0.909
6 FERNANDEZ, MANNY BOS 34.8 4.333 28 16 0.910
7 ANDERSON, CRAIG FLA 28.1 0.550 31 15 0.924
8 NIITTYMAKI, ANTERO PHI 29.0 1.225 32 15 0.912
9 MACDONALD, JOEY NYI 29.4 0.488 49 14 0.901
10 LEGACE, MANNY STL 36.4 2.150 29 13 0.885
11 BOUCHER, BRIAN S.J 32.5 0.650 22 12 0.917
12 JOHNSON, BRENT WSH 32.3 0.813 21 12 0.908
13 RAYCROFT, ANDREW COL 29.2 0.800 31 12 0.892
14 DANIS, YANN NYI 28.0 0.550 31 10 0.910
15 GERBER, MARTIN TOR 34.8 3.700 26 10 0.902
16 TELLQVIST, MIKAEL BUF 29.8 0.800 21 9 0.912
17 LABARBERA, JASON VAN 29.4 0.825 28 8 0.901
18 GARON, MATHIEU PIT 31.5 1.100 19 8 0.894
19 WEEKES, KEVIN N.J 34.2 0.688 16 7 0.920
20 SANFORD, CURTIS VAN 29.7 0.650 19 7 0.906
21 SABOURIN, DANY EDM 28.8 0.513 19 6 0.898
22 VALIQUETTE, STEVE NYR 31.9 0.725 15 5 0.907
23 JOSEPH, CURTIS TOR 42.2 0.700 21 5 0.869
24 KOLZIG, OLAF TOR 39.2 2.500 8 2 0.898
25 DUBIELEWICZ, WADE CBJ 30.4 0.500 3 1 0.870

It's quite likely that more than half of these netminders don't find an NHL roster spot next season (and several are headed for retirement) — especially with teams trying to save cash and use youngsters in the backup role. There should be bargains to be found among the veterans, and a team like Colorado could sign a decent veteran option like Biron or Conklin potentially for between $1-million and $2.5-million and spend the rest of their cap space elsewhere.

I also think someone like Anderson could be a good buy if given a shot at a No. 1 role, while Roloson could contribute on a short-term deal. Khabibulin remains the big fish on the market, and while the Blackhawks want to re-sign him, they likely can't afford more than a one-year deal.

I'll have big boards up for defencemen and forwards later today.

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Tellqvist

Has already signed with Ak Bars in the KHL.

by Afino on Jun 29, 2009 6:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I might be mistaken

But I think Valiquette re-upped with the Rangers back in May.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 29, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks guys, I’ll get these changes in there.

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by James Mirtle on Jun 29, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Random thoughts:

-I’m sure Colorado would love to have Khabby as their netminder, but I don’t see how they can afford him with Sakic coming back and the fact that they’ve got guys like Arnason and Laperriere out there as UFAs. I agree with you and think they’ll probably chase Biron or Conklin, though I wouldn’t rule out Anderson or Fernandez (who I think would be the best option).

-With Havlat and Pahlsson UFAs, Versteeg an RFA (and expect the offer sheets to roll in for him unless they get a deal done soon) and most important the looming necessity of signing Kane and Toews to long term deals, I don’t think the ’Hawks should re-sign Khabby. As a Pens fan, it was very nice to see Ray Shero make sure that guys like Crosby, Malkin and Staal were all locked up well before any other team could make a move.

-You have to think NJ will try to lock up Clemmensen after the way he played last season. And a lot of teams (including the Pens) could do a hell of a lot worse than to sign Kevin Weekes as a backup for a year or two. There’s a guy who knows how to sit on the bench and not complain when he only plays 10 games a year, but does a solid job whenever he is called upon.

-I wouldn’t be averse to the Pens re-signing Garon if he’d take a paycut.

-You gotta figure the Rangers will just re-sign Valiquette and move on to more important things. Same thing with Vancouver and LaBarbera. He was very much found money for the ’Nucks. Every game I saw him in he was solid and a huge upgrade over Curtis Sanford.

-With a few exceptions on this list (Fernandez, Khabby, maybe Biron and Conklin), there are a lot of excellent backup options for teams looking to shore up their goaltending situations, but few longer-term solutions.

-Gerber was solid as a Leaf, but is he willing to take a 2.5 or 3 million dollar paycut to play as a backup or will he try his fortunes in Europe?

-Legace should probably just pack it in. We know Joseph and Kolzig are.

-I wonder what Edmonton is going to do. I could see them bringing back Rolson for one more year with the understanding that Drouin-Deslauriers will be given the keys to the bus sometime during the season. If they want to save money, they could make Conklin an Oiler again with the same idea.

-I have to believe Raycroft is done as a starter in the league. He had a chance to cement a job in Colorado and couldn’t do it.

-It’s really remarkable how solid most teams are with regards to their starting goalie, with the exception of Philadelphia, Colorado and maybe Phoenix. Washington had an issue, but Varlamov’s emergence in the playoffs fixed that and I think Atlanta shouldn’t give up on Lehtonen.

-Detroit should give serious thought to Craig Anderson who can very much do what Conklin did last season: hold the fort if Osgood falters. I also think Boucher, Niittymaki and especially Brent Johnson would fit in really well there.

-Will the Isles try to get Dubielewicz back? Will they re-sign Danis or MacDonald? Or is it Mannino’s time to play after DiPietro gets injured in December? (actually, he’s an RFA too…)

-This doesn’t have anything to do with free agency, but I had expected Anaheim to deal J.S. Gigeure to Philly before I expected them to send Pronger. But it’s probably not a bad idea at all to hang on to him in case Hiller proves to be a one-season wonder.

by Raybin on Jun 29, 2009 6:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Washington actually has a pretty crowded crease right now. Theodore’s got one more year on his contract (and let’s not kid ourselves, they’re not going to be able to move him if even they should given a rookie with fatigue issues as a starter). Johnson was solid but may be the odd man out. Michal Neuvirth in Hershey had a successful start in the NHL and just won the Calder and the Butterfield trophy (AHL’s equivalent of Conn Smythe). Braden Holtby is an up-and-comer who might back up in Hershey this year.

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by gotsparkly on Jun 29, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you ignoring Brett Leonhardt, the web designer wonder goalie? He’s key to the Caps goal tender situation =)

by Habs on Jun 29, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sakic?

I’m not sure he’s coming back. He hasn’t said either way yet (and most observers think he’s going to hang ’em up)

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 29, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

-Detroit …. especially Brent Johnson would fit in really well there.

I think Johnson would love that. He’s got a big Detroit connection — his grandfather was Sid Abel.

by Gould Old Days on Jun 30, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting to note that the Blues, who will be shopping for a backup from among this list, have half a dozen former employees listed here, including Legace and Anderson, whom they signed and waived within a matter of days, a few years ago. Raycroft or Conklin might be a nice fit to back up Mason next year.

by tbell61 on Jun 29, 2009 7:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can see them going with Brent Johnson as well.

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by gotsparkly on Jun 29, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brett Johnson signing with Detroit (to back up Osgood) would be a nice, warm, fuzzy family story.

by TylerG on Jun 29, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure Howard has been given the job and would need to have a horrible training camp to lose it.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 29, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if Howard blows it, I would hope instead of signing one of these guys, the Wings would give Larssen or McCollum a chance at it instead. The Wings really need a good cheap goalie, and if one of those kids can be that, then hey, you’ve got yourself a goalie. Maybe even a real, legit, franchise goalie!

(I really want a franchise goalie)

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by IAmJoe on Jun 29, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difficulty with Detroit is that a young untested goalie is always a risk, and usually the teams that really let a kid run with the job either have no choice or they are dreadful anyway, and it won’t make the team any worse to see what a kid can do. Detroit is always in contention, so they are never in a position to accumulate losses purely for the learning experience it will provide a rookie.

Larssen has apparently been quite solid in Grand Rapids, so if Howard can’t handle the postition, he might be another option. Howard definitely has earned the right to succeed or fail in more than just a game or two every long while.

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by Baroque on Jun 29, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s hoping the Caps get Brent Johnson signed, because that would mean Jose Theodore got moved. :)

by :hsughrofl: on Jun 29, 2009 7:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As an addendum to this list

The only possible job openings (with “current” backup pencilled in)

Boston (Rask)
Chicago (Niemi)
Colorado (Bacashihua)
Columbus (LaCosta)
Dallas (Krahn)
Detroit (Howard)
Edmonton (Dubnyk)
Florida (Plante)
New Jersey (Frazee)
New York Islanders (Mannino)
Philadelphia (Teslak)
Pittsburgh (Curry)
San Jose (Greiss)
Toronto (Pogge)
Vancouver (Schneider)

Some of these “backups” have a good shot at making their respective clubs, meaning that of these 15 job “openings”, I wouldn’t expect more than a dozen to be filled with veterans. Only Colorado, Edmonton, Florida, New Jersey and Philadelphia are in dire need of a veteran, with the other ten teams possibly standing pat.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 29, 2009 7:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mannino isn’t getting qualified by the Islanders. The goalie they drafted 31st overall (Koskinen) is 21 and is coming to the AHL. Schneider and Rask’s cap hits are high and both teams may be looking for cheap backups instead, giving their prospects one final year in the minors before their high cap hit rookie deals are over with. Ty Conklin, I’m looking at you, since the Bruins are hosting the Winter Classic and want to make the final 4.

Qualifying offers should be in today, so we’ll find out if those reports about Pogge are accurate. Should also find out if Gustavson has signed or not.

I think Corey Crawford is next in line in Chicago, BTW. And we know for sure that Howard is getting the backup job in Detroit.

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by saskhab on Jun 29, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great points. Mannino was hardly the Man when Snow tried signing Dubie in February, so he could easily be let go.

Schneider and Rask certainly aren’t immune from another year of seasoning. Even with the twins gone, does Gillis want to spend that much on a doorman for Sami Salo?

Pogge definitely has few fans in the GM’s booth, so Gustavsson is a real possibility.

Crawford did play a few garbage minutes in the playoffs, but Niemi got a few starts earlier in the year, so the jury’s still out on Chicago’s number two.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 29, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I was a GM and a little adventurous, I’d be looking to take Conklin. Try to get him for a little under what he’s earned given his performance these last two seasons. I doubt he wants to continue being a back-up, but he’ll have to give up some if he wants a starting job.

by hallock on Jun 29, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Other than Emery and Budaj

I don’t see any starting jobs that need filling.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 29, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who do you see starting in Tampa Bay? Smith, with McKenna as a backup?

What about Phoenix?

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by gotsparkly on Jun 29, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I probably should have included McKenna on my list of guys who haven’t locked up a job yet.

Phoenix is pretty set with Bryzgalov / Montoya.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonton needs a goalie, too.

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by James Mirtle on Jun 29, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As an avid MHH reader

I guess I have a lot of faith in making a hyphenated prospect your everyday go-to guy ;-)

The increased expense of having to launder a jersey daily with such a large nameplate, however, may force some teams to cut costs, but I think Edmonton can afford it.

BTW, if David Driscoll-Carignan were to marry US Women’s Team forward, Tricia Dunn-Luoma, would their son be ineligible for the 2028 Entry Draft based upon the length of his name?

Kidding aside, you are correct. Philly, Colorado and Edmonton are the three teams that may be in search of a bona fide number one goaltender.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 29, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think Philly is going to roll with Emery as their #1 too. The most they can add, barring a salary dump of some sort, would be a pretty inexpensive guy.

by thedoctor on Jun 29, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides, taking Conklin will get you into the Winter Classic. (sic)

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by gotsparkly on Jun 29, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Conklin to Philly it is, then. Guess that also means that Philly will lose in the Finals.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 29, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anderson

There are about 10 teams in the NHL that Anderson could be the starter for, some of them are playoff teams. As a starter, playing 60 games, Anderson has a .924 save percentage and 30 wins… I don’t see what’s keeping him from a starting gig somewhere.

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Caps on Jun 29, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As a CO fan, i’d be thrilled with Anderson or Biron at a 2-3m price tag. Biron probably won’t be that cheap, so Anderson looks like a decent guess.

by thedoctor on Jun 29, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Stanley Cup (only to lose).

by RCheli on Jun 29, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ack — I meant this to be a reply to the Conklin in the Winter Classic post.

by RCheli on Jun 29, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conklin, please

I hope to GOD the Isles sign Conklin. The Isles have money and an opportunity for a guy to play at the very MINIMUM 30 games, and perhaps many more. Conklin is even friends with DiPietro, so maybe it will be a bit easier for Rick to face the fact that he needs to be part of a tandem for at LEAST the next season. But at this point it doesnt really matter what Rick thinks about it, a tandem with a LEGIT NHL goalie is 100% necessary.

Lets go Islanders...

by TheMetalChick on Jun 29, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Raycroft

No one should suggest Raycroft as a backup with a straight face. He is terrible.

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by PPP on Jun 29, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and Colorado fans now agree after a firsthand look.

by thedoctor on Jun 29, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean after a second glance?

After a first look, Raycroft was 9-1 for the floundering Avs heading into the All-Star break. His collapse thereafter came when Granato started using him every second or third day.

Raycroft scored wins against some very tough teams:

Philadelphia
Detroit (twice)
Chicago
Pittsburgh
Washington
Clouston’s undefeated Sens

And Raycroft also suffered losses to other tough teams:

Columbus (twice)
San Jose (twice)
Carolina
New Jersey
Detroit
Vancouver (twice)
Anaheim
red-hot St. Louis in season finale

His overall record may have been just (12-16), but compare that to Budaj (20-34) and then look at the quality of opponents:

Raycroft vs. playoff teams (6-11) for 60.7% of his games played against tough teams (excludes a 7th win vs Ottawa in February)
Budaj vs. playoff teams (8-21) for just 53.7% of his games played agaunst tough teams (includes a win vs St Louis in November)

So Raycroft got the tougher assignments, yet performed way better than Budaj when facing them. Of his 16 overall losses, 11 came on the heels on three or fewer days rest and/or B2B games. My conclusion is that he was actually an amazing backup, when used in a backup role. His second half collapse was precipitated by his more frequent starts, as well as the Avs overall lacklustre play.

PPP can joke about the guy who holds the franchise record for most wins after 92 years, and you can concur based upon an initial glance at the numbers, but when exploring the reasons why Raycroft was not as successful as Budaj last season, ask yourself why he was tasked with facing Detroit 3 of 4 times, or why he faced the East ten times (including Pit, Wsh, NJ, Phi, Car, NYR, Otw), compared to Budaj’s eight games (including two losses to Atlanta).

by TD O'Dell on Jun 29, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, you’re defending Raycroft’s play?

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by James Mirtle on Jun 29, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since the lockout, there are only seven goaltenders with a save percentage of .890 or less who have played at least 50 games. Raycroft is the only one still in the league:

.890: Marc Denis, Jocelyn Thibault, Hannu Toivonen
.889: Robert Esche, John Grahame
.888: Andrew Raycroft
.882: Jussi Markkanen

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by James Mirtle on Jun 29, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He certainly had a lot of bad games

I just think he was thrown to the wolves this season. Until the ASG, he certainly did his job as the backup, and then some.

I’m not saying that he is very good, but until you provided this list, I never would have characterized him as very bad, either. Seeing his name alongside some of those other flameouts gives one pause to rethink his overall assessment, but there is no denying Raycroft’s good performance this year when not pressed into full-time status.

Even when facing teams who went on to open the post-season at home.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 29, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not an NHL-calibre goaltender, and the fact Francois Giguere signed him after how poor he was in Toronto was a big reason the Avs canned him.

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by James Mirtle on Jun 29, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until the ASG, he certainly did his job as the backup, and then some.

Yeah he did, but I disagree with what you said above. His 9-1 record was buit on sub-standard teams. His Philly win was when they were 0-6, and he beat the Blues twice when they were terrible. Their recoveries made those wins look a lot stronger than they really were.

On the flip side, Budaj lost to teams like the Coyotes when they were playing well, only to have them crash.

Raycroft did fine as a backup, and was thrown to the wolves this season, but he wasn’t very good either.

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, Raycroft’s record means nothing. he was winning games against awful opponents 6 – 5. terrible.

by thedoctor on Jun 30, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raycroft’s record means nothing

On its own, maybe not, which is why I provided the context. His record against tough opponents was better than Budaj’s, which is why he got the tougher assignments.

He was winning games against awful opponents 6 – 5

His only 6-5 victory came against Detroit, though as an Avs fan, I understand that you might consider the Wings to be awful. Hell, even Budaj beat them once.

The awful wins against awful teams might include:

Beating Dallas 5-4
Beating Phoenix 5-4

and maybe you would include:

Beating Tampa 4-3 as an awful victory (though it did help his GAA).

Raycroft has so many bad stats that are factual, you don’t need to start making things up. Why not state that he was winning games 10-9 against awful teams, if facts aren’t important to your assessment?

I’m not suggesting that W-L records on their own determine who the beter goalie was, but when Raycroft has to face the tough opponents so often, and often in consecutive games, and he somehow manages to get the Win, that he is not necessarily as bad as he is made out to be.

Of Raycroft’s 12 wins, three of them came while allowing more than three goals, and only the Phoenix win could be called an “awful” opponent, if you completely disregard what Jibbles pointed out above – that the Coyotes were playing well at the time, and that Budaj failed twice to get the Win against them.

His bad Save % and GAA was not due to his wins, and he rarely got a chance to play the awful teams. His numbers sucked due to his many, many losses which came mostly at the hands of playoff teams (11 of his 16).

by TD O'Dell on Jun 30, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he beat the Blues twice when they were terrible

I believe that the only time he played the Blues was in the season finale, when they were red hot. He lost that game 1-0, which was easily his best loss of the season. I’ll grant you the October game against Philly isn’t that impressive, but I cited six other victories that were against tough opponents.

Obviously he wasn’t very good or even good overall, but this sub-thread began as a response to an earlier comment about Raycroft being an adequate backup, and in that roll, he was at least that – adequate.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 30, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game log for Raycroft

W 5-2 vs Pha (0-2-1)
W 5-4 @ Dal (1-2-1) on one day’s rest; travel
L 4-2 vs Cls (3-6-0)
Started @ Anh (11-8-3), hurt while trailing 1-0 on PPG; Budaj lost game 4-1
W 4-3 vs TB (6-9-7)
W 3-2 @ Det (20-5-4)
W 2-1 @ TB (7-15-8) on two days’ rest; travel
W 5-4 vs Phx (17-15-5)
W 2-1 @ Nas (17-18-3)
W 2-1 vs Chi (22-8-7) on one day’s rest; travel
W 5-3 vs Pit (20-16-4) on one day’s rest

This is how Raycroft actually arrived at his 9-1 record. Philly wasn’t awful, they were 0-2-1. Dallas was considered Cup contenders, though started 1-2-1. A start in Anaheim at 11-8-3 wasn’t an easy assignment. The first win against Tampa was against a team at 6-9-7. His first win in Detroit at 20-5-4 was the toughest game on the entire schedule. Nashville was no pushover at 17-18-3. Victories in the next four days over 22-8-7 Chicago and 20-16-4 Pittsburgh were impressive.

The loss to Columbus and the 4-3 win over Tampa were the only blemishes on an otherwise stellar season-to-date.

He went into a slump, losing to the surging Blue Jackets, then dropping an easy game against Edmonton. He entered the Kings game early in the 2nd, trailing 4-1, and was charged with Budaj’s 6-5 loss, but that marked his 6th game in 15 days.

Immediately after the break, he lost to the powerhouse Sharks 3-0 with an empty-netter and on one day’s rest, got blown out by the Leafs. Finally, Granato gave him two weeks off, and he responded with 3 wins in 5 days, against Detroit, Clouston’s red-hot Senators, and Washington.

At this point in the season, Raycroft was 12-7 on a horrible Avs team, after having secured 6 victories against playoff teams plus the Sens. Even ignoring the Philly win in October, he had defeated three of the four eventual Conference Finalists (Detroit twice), as well as number-two seed Washington. He broke up Clouston’s 5-game win streak, and hung tough against San Jose in a 2-0 game.

He was pretty awful the rest of the season, though he continued to face the toughest challenges:

Allowed four goals to the surging Hurricanes in his 4th start in 7 days
Continued abuse on the long road trip with games in NJ and NYR in the next few days
A 3-2 loss to Detroit in his 8th game in 17 days
A 4-2 loss in Vancouver when the Canucks were climbing into the division lead
A 3-1 loss in San Jose
A 4-1 loss to Vancouver
Allowing 2 goals against Phoenix during the while the offense had already quit scoring goals
A 1-0 loss to the red-hot Blues to close it out

For all of the good games and wins that Raycroft had this year, I would like any of you to point out his list of bad games. I have him down for:

A weak 5-4 Win in Dallas, one one day’s rest and travel, against a 1-2-1 Stars team that many called to win the Pacific
A 4-2 loss to Columbus
A weak 5-4 Win vs a winning Phoenix team
A 7-4 embarrassment to the Leafs, that likely formed the basis of PPP’s opinion of Raycroft’s “poor” season
His second victory against Detroit when he allowed 5 goals
A slew of games where he allowed 4 goals that came during the Ti4T era against the league’s best (@Car, @NJ, @Vcr, vs Anh, vs Vcr)

the doctor stated that “he was winning games against awful opponents 6 – 5”, when the truth is that Raycroft allowed more than 4 on only two occasions – the 6-5 win vs Detroit and his one truly horrible game, against the Leafs.

The rest of the season was, at worst, not great. At best, it was far better than Budaj’s year, considering his strength of opposition.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 30, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know that it matter if he had a good 10 games. Raycroft has been god awful for four years.

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by James Mirtle on Jun 30, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No argument there

What an odd thing for me to say, in light of my dozens of inches devoted to arguing in favour of Raycroft.

I’m funny that way, I guess.

by TD O'Dell on Jun 30, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point

All those teams, besides Detroit, Chi and Pittsburgh, were awful to start the season. Philly ended up starting something awful like 0-7-1, Dallas was awful early, TB was still employing Melrose for gods sake.. that’s 4 of his 9 wins on teams that were clinically dysfunctional when he faced them.

That’s like beating the Avs late in the season.

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 30, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s fair to say that Tampa was dysfunctional.

I don’t think it’s fair to say that Philly was awful or that they started 0-7-1. As I pointed out above, they were 0-2-1 when they met Raycroft (not 0-6), and it didn’t take me long to find out that they actually started 0-3-3 (not 0-7-1), before winning four in a row to end the month at 4-3-3.

Just as I am arguing that Raycroft suffered from playing tough opponents, the Flyers opened 0-3-3 due to their quality of opposition (NYR, Mtl, Pit, Raycroft, SJ, SJ). A week after the so-called awful Philly team lost to Raycroft, they managed to sweep a home-and-home from NJ. Of the first six games where they went winless, it wasn’t due to a lack of scoring threats – NYR and Mtl gave up 3 goals each, Pit and Raycroft surrendered 2 apiece, and SJ allowed 10 goals, so Raycroft couldn’t have been facing a bunch of duds. He just beat them fair and square.

It’s fair to say that Dallas was 1-2-1 (as I did, above), but unfair to say they were “awful early” when they turned around after losing to Raycroft to get back to .500 by Halloween (4-4-2).

It’s fair to say that Melrose was employed by Tampa, but unfair to say that he was still there when they faced Raycroft. The truth is, Barry was let go six games earlier, with a record of 5-7-4.

Tocchet then took the team into the toilet, going 1-2-3 before meeting Raycroft, when the team sported the 6-9-7 record that I mentioned, above.

You kindly excluded the three Conference Finalists from your list of “awful” teams, yet Phoenix was 17-15-5 and Nashville was 17-18-3. Put all nine of Raycrofts victories together, and his opponents were actually 110-90-40 combined, at the time he faced them.

As bad as you try to paint these teams, the numbers don’t lie. Raycroft amassed his 9-1 record by facing, at worst, an average group of opponents. I challenge you to find me another goalie who ever started 9-1 against a tougher group.

Budaj started 3-7 against easier foes. Even Osgood started only 6-1-3 against easier foes, while sporting a GAA of almost 4.00 and a .880 Save %. What stretch of 10 games played did any goalie face that was tougher than Raycroft’s, regardless of whether they got 9 wins out of it? And keep in mind that he was playing behing the Avs, so those 9 wins were surely earned.

You posted a comment on your blog about how Raycroft wasn’t as bad as people say (the doctor called him the worst goalie in Avs history). I thought I’d offer some evidence that supporte that claim.

The truth is, tbell61 began this here sub-thread with the following statement:

Raycroft or Conklin might be a nice fit to back up Mason next year

to which PPP responded:

No one should suggest Raycroft as a backup with a straight face

the doctor then agreed, on behalf of Avs fans, so I countered with more than simple unsubstantiated opinion. If I can’t even get you to back me up on the numbers, then I will never be able to prove tbell61’s initial claim.

James is correct that Raycroft has been awful for four years, but I point to him holding the 92-year old Leafs record for most Wins.

the doctor is correct that “a winning record means nothing”, but when that record is 9-1 against tough foes with middling offensive support it means a lot. Besides, Raycroft was not “winning games against awful opponents 6-5”, he allowed more than four goals twice all year, and the solitary 6-5 victory came against the Wings – hardly an awful opponent.

Jibbles is correct that Raycroft cannot be described as very good by anyone, but is so far off base when he says that “all those teams [Phi, Dal, TB at 6-9, Phx at 17-15, Nas at 17-18] were awful to start the season”.

Your arguments would hold water if they weren’t laden with factual errors designed to make your point (Philly was never 0-6, nor were they 0-7-1; Both Philly and Dallas improved to .500 within weeks of getting their asses handed to them by Raycroft).

Even had you settled for the best example to prove your point (Raycroft’s December victory over the 7-15-8 Lightning), without trying to lump in winning teams like Phoenix as “awful”, your conclusion that:

That’s like beating the Avs late in the season

would still be a stretch.

Beating the 1-8-4 late-season Avs was a far easier task than beating Melrose’s 5-7-4 Lightning, and slightly easier than beating Tocchet’s 2-8-1 Lightning, in December.

Why you felt the need to try to dispell Raycroft’s 9-1 record, when my whole argument was designed to back up your own claim that Raycroft was good, I don’t know.

Yes, Tampa is bad, mmmkay? Raycroft padded his 9-1 start with a victory against the horrible 6-9 Lightning. Let’s lump in all the other opponents (except the three Conference Finalists) in an effort to make Raycroft’s amazing first half seem less amazing. Facts be damned.

by TD O'Dell on Jul 1, 2009 5:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can suggest him – just as a backup for someone else’s team.

by Afino on Jun 29, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Agent Ron Salcer confirmed that his long-time client has asked him to contact clubs to determine any interest level.”

Two weeks from now I’m guessing we’ll get a retirement announcement.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jun 29, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

anderson anderson anderson

do it, team-in-need-of-goaltending X

by passive_voice on Jun 30, 2009 2:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

team-in-need-of-goaltending X Avs!

by thedoctor on Jun 30, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO!

anybody but them, actually. with j-bo and heatley added to the division already, the last thing i need is for the avs to add anybody better than my pregnant niece.

by passive_voice on Jun 30, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps I can segue this in since the Avs have interest.

All along the conventionial thinking was Khabubulin was going to find a new home, today surfaces a report that the Hawks are trying to sign Bulin, and peddle Huet.
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/2219

Not what I thought would happen.

by cubanpuckstopper on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs


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