Hits to the Head - A No-Brainer
Puck Daddy has a new post arguing against automatic penalties for certain hits to the head. This comes off the news that the GMs have no plans to add stricter rules on the subject of hits to the head.
Wyshynski's post, filled with unnecessary (and typical) attempts to mock anyone who argues that this issue should be addressed with concrete action, wouldn't even be worth the effort of a reply normally. But it highlights, so perfectly, the two arguments made by people in favor of not adding penalties for hits to the head, and how without merit they both are.
Argument No. 1: "Referees and the League are dumb and cannot be trusted to make discretionary calls."
Wyshynski quotes from THN's Ken Campbell (who is quoting Paul Kelly, NHLPA Director) in saying
"I think that's the fundamental misunderstanding," Kelly said. "Some of them (the GMs) genuinely believe we're trying to take the physical quality out of the game and we're not. Honestly, we're trying to keep the right balance by keeping physicality in the game and protecting players. I don't think it's enough to just say, 'Keep your head up.' You're blaming the victim in that situation."
Kelly used the hit from the Western Conference final by Detroit Red Wings defenseman Niklas Kronwall(notes) on Martin Havlat(notes) of the Chicago Blackhawks as a perfect example. According to the NHL's rules, it's a perfectly legal hit, but that doesn't mean it should be. "Kronwall could have accomplished the same thing by driving his shoulder or hip into the body of Havlat," Kelly said. "He doesn't have to go at his head. And the supplementary discipline system simply has proven that it's not sufficient to deter this conduct."
and then says
We can agree, without hesitation, with Kelly's assertion that the NHL's Wheel of Discipline has fallen off its axel. But one of the reasons it's been so ineffective is due to the subjective nature of most supplemental discipline. Evgeni Malkin gets an instigator at the end of Game 2, earns a suspension and then has it rescinded due to some random collection of criteria. The same circus will come to town with a head-shot rule.
So, Wyshynski hates when clear guideliness for penalties are not applied, and somehow concludes that the NHL and the refs, therefore, should not have any guidelines for penalties?
Look again at what Paul Kelly and the NHPLA called for (again, quoting directly from Wyshynski's own quotes here):
The rule would be directed at players who deliver blind-side hits to other players, who are in a vulnerable position. If there is no injury on the hit, the referee could issue a two-minute minor penalty or, if there is an injury, a five-minute major. If there is a deliberate attempt to injure someone in the referee's opinion, he could give the player a match penalty which would subject him to further discipline from the league.
Seems pretty clear to me as to what would be legal and what would not. The only "discretion" would be to call a match penalty. And Wyshynski doesn't even disagree with the NHLPA's concept, saying:
Again, we can all agree that intentional hits to the head in a concussion-filled sport should be heavily penalized.
Wyshynski is equating "deliverate intent to injure" (NHPLA's words) with "intentional" (Wyshynski's words), which is ok with me. So he admits there's a problem that must be addressed. But then he goes on to throw his hands up in frustration at the inability of the refs to make a distinction between "intentional" and "reckless"
But what is "intentional," and what is simply "reckless"? And can NHL referees that can't even count how many players belong on the ice in a Stanley Cup Finals game be trusted with that instant psychoanalysis in a sport played with such velocity? On an open ice hit that involves the head, there's always intent -- in the sense that the defender intended to take a guy out and intended to do so with a check. If that leads to an injury, is that intent to injure.
Jokes aside Wyshkinki is effectively saying that everytime a hockey player hits someone - he's aiming to injure someone. That's news to me, and I bet its news to a lot of hockey players. But to be serious, there is no logical reason to equate "intending to check" with "intending to injure someone by hitting them in the head with a check".
I'm a player intending to throw a check in open ice, why shouldn't it incumbent upon me to think about the position of the guy I'm hitting? I'm forced to do it when throwing a check on a player near the boards (especially if that player is in a "vulnerable position"). Why can't I also be expected to think about players in "vulnerable positions" in open ice?
But to get back to the key problem with this argument about the refs and the league - Wyshinski ignores a key point - a failure in referee judgment and/or league discipline doesn't mean that you give up on making and enforcing rules. In hockey, where there is such "velocity" and such action, you're going to have calls made that are wrong. But the proper action when wrong calls are made is to correct them. And you do this in two ways: First, the NHL educates the refs, the teams, and the players about what a correct call and an incorrect call is. And second, when incorrect calls are made, the refs are punished. This is a comment for another time, but a combination of limited on-ice video replay, and supplemental discipline for referrees is long overdue in the NHL.
Simply, it makes no sense to try and address serious player safety issues because of incompetence in league and its officiating. You don't improve things by ignoring problems - you improve things by addressing problems.
Argument No. 2: Oh No, Here Come the Figure-Skaters!
Wyshinski:
Don't buy the players' line. It's a sport whose fundamental system and game-play leads to injury. This is an attempt to make the legal illegal, and it's preposterous to believe it won't affect the fundamentals of the Game at the NHL level.
In short, this is the Politics of Fear: Try to scare people into thinking that penalzing hits to the head will somehow lead to no body contact whatsoever. Its overblown and not supported by any concrete evidence. There is simply no proof that the game would be effected in any way meanginful whatsoever if you added the penalties the NHLPA wants.
First, no one is trying to remove contract that leads to injury. If you throw a shoulder into a guy's chest, that guy may still get a concussion. No one is arguing against that. All the NHLPA is asking for here is to protect against hits to the head. And while the impact of these hits is tremendous (for the players on the receiving end obviously), the frequency of these hits is minor. Obviously it would be difficult to go through all the game tapes to find out how many times a player was hit in the head during a checl - but common sense suggests it is not often. We've had the Kronwall hit on Havlat recently...and...and...um...no others recently? Sure there were a Even Wyshsinki has to go back to his favorite hit of the season - Doug Weight's hit on Brandon Sutter - from October!! Off the top of my head, I can only remember Kurt Sauer's on Andrei Kostitsyn (also back in October), Denis Gauthier hitting Josh Georges from January, a hit by Cam Jannsen in February, and one by Brendan Witt in February. That's 5 total - and even it was 3 times as many - 15 over the course of a season is not a significant number.
Oh but I must be wrong, because luminaries like Brian Burke are sure of it.
"In the leagues where they've put in an automatic penalty, I think it's dramatically reduced hitting. We have no desire to reduce the amount of contact that takes place on our ice surface."
Really? Where's the proof of that? There is none, at least none that I've ever seen. But facts are not what's important to Burke and Wyshinski, etc. What's important is the 2nd sentence Burke said:
We have no desire to reduce the amount of contact that takes place on our ice surface.
Somehow, if you add penalties for hits to the head, hits which happen infrequently at best, you're going to turn hockey into a sport where no one touches anyone. There is simply no rational way to justify this link. There were 53 hits in Game 3 of the finals. 67 in Game 2. You gullible fans are supposed to believe that if someone was afraid of a penalty, those stats would go down significantly?
Of course they wouldn't. And the reason why they wouldn't is because the large majority of players are already mindful of how to throw a hit without taking a guys head off. Adding a penalty (and potential supplemental discipline) to players who cross that line from "mindful" to "mindless" and reckless, will not likely have any meaningful impact on the game. The "Politics of Fear" argument made by Wyshinski and Burke is not in the least bit convincing.
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More respected than Burke or Wyshynski, perhaps
Maybe a Rangers fan is not in the camp that Ken Holland is a respectable, reliable source. For many others, however, he is just that.
I recall a recent discussion on this site that centered largely on the “keep your head up” argument. To add another voice to that discussion, Holland claims total agreement, on the part of the GMs.
ahhh…the “keep your head up” argument.
I don’t but that one for two reasons
(1) Most of the time, the player who is getting hit is doing exactly what he should be doing – trying to play the puck. He might be leaning forward, or leaning over, or looking down, but what are his options? Take the Kronwall/Havlat hit – Havlat was turning, so he was slightly bent over, and was looking for a puck at his feet. What’s he supposed to do? Stand straight up and stick his chin in the air? That’s unrealistic.
(2) I don’t know why we blame the person receiving the contact for the result of the contact. It should be incumbent on the player throwing the hit to recognize when the person he is hitting is vulnerable. If the person is likely to be in a vulnerable position, it should be the duty of the hitter to adjust.
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Hits to the Head – A No-Brainer
How long did this take to come up with ;-)
Other than that, I agree with you. A lot of the fear of tightening up on headshots is based on hypotheticals that might take away from the game, while conveniently ignoring the fact that headshots are a real risk AND happening now AND taking away from the game.
Two things...
1) Take away the instigator and there will be some more player policing of this stuff, and hopefully less of it in general.
2) If you start to ban this stuff its a slippery road to banning fighting. In which case Hockey wouldn’t be Hockey anymore.
Hockey isn’t perfect, but that doesn’t mean it has to be fixed.
I think you are generally pretty dismissive of people that disagree with you on this topic, and this post is more of the same.
So, Wyshynski hates when clear guideliness for penalties are not applied, and somehow concludes that the NHL and the refs, therefore, should not have any guidelines for penalties?
That’s not what he’s saying. He’s not advocating anarchy. He’s saying that this kind of call is so subjective that it’s going to be entirely dependent on factors that are unknowable ex ante. Rules need to be clear ex ante otherwise you have no ability to deter unwanted behavior, and you punish seemingly acceptable behavior. That is the problem the NHL already struggles with and it is extremely frustrating. Adding another rule that is so subjective would only exacerbate that problem.
Seems pretty clear to me as to what would be legal and what would not. The only “discretion” would be to call a match penalty.
First off, a match penalty is a pretty severe punishment for such a discretionary call. Intent is going to be impossible to tell from ice level at live speed most of the time. The refs are going to end up relying on crowd reaction, optics, player reaction, etc. to make these calls. In reality the refs should be simply punishing the act, but now we’ll have the refs punishing based on extraneous factors. Second, I don’t see why it should really be relevant if a player is hurt or not. If the hit is dangerous, and thus illegal, it is a PIM whether or not you hurt a guy. The injury rule is just an easy construct to guide the refs, but that doesn’t make it accurate, especially not with respect to head shots. A shoulder is not very far from a head so it’s going to be impossible for a ref to tell if contact is to the head or shoulder most of the times. Because of this the refs are going to rely even more heavily on the injury rule, and we won’t have gotten very far.
Your own review of hits to the head confirms this. You look at the Havlat hit . . . and then list a bunch of hits that resulted in injuries and sensational optics! How about Stuart on Umberger just a few weeks ago? Brashear to Betts (I know, another injury)? Brown on Hudler? Coburn on Antropov? Malkin on Simmonds? These hits happen all the time. Clean hits to the shoulder or chest happen even more often and will undoubtedly be incorrectly assessed PIMs.
How much of an injury is enough to get a 5 minute major? If the guy stays down for a minute? If the guy comes off on a stretcher? What would stop guys from just dropping like a ton of bricks and staying down trying to draw a 5 minute major? It wouldn’t happen all the time, but it’s the kind of consequence that you refuse to contemplate. It’s easy to see the points that make you agree with your position. It’s harder to analyze the underlying assumptions, implications, and draw inferences from your proposal.
You are similarly dismissive of other consequences.
In short, this is the Politics of Fear: Try to scare people into thinking that penalzing hits to the head will somehow lead to no body contact whatsoever. Its overblown and not supported by any concrete evidence. There is simply no proof that the game would be effected in any way meanginful whatsoever if you added the penalties the NHLPA wants.
Of course there is no evidence. How on earth would you suggest the NHL gather evidence on something that hasn’t been tried? That’s why they test rules in the AHL. There may not be proof that this effect would occur, but the logic dictates it. The principle is known as a chilling effect. When you criminalize a behavior, you also suppress legitimate behavior that could be confused with the criminal behavior. When refs are looking for high hits, and especially injuries (as the NHL relies so heavily on the outcomes) then players are going to pull back and not throw big hits, even if they would be clean. As I said above, clean hits will definitely be called for penalties. Some guys will probably pull back on their own, and some coaches will coach the guys to pull back. Big hits are an exciting part of the game. This rule may not take all contact out of hockey, but it will suppress an exciting part of the game.
Again, you are mischaracterizing the argument.
Somehow, if you add penalties for hits to the head, hits which happen infrequently at best, you’re going to turn hockey into a sport where no one touches anyone. There is simply no rational way to justify this link.
Of course there is no rational way to justify that link; but that’s not what anyone did. They simply say that there will be less contact, not none. By repeatedly claiming that they believe this rule would result in zero contact in the NHL you make their position sound ridiculous and unsupportable. Unfortunately, that’s not their position; you’re going to have to do a little more thinking to dismiss them.
Finally, there is a third point that isn’t addressed by your post at all. Believe it or not, in America, maybe even Canada, too, there are still some (even if not many) people that believe that grown adults should be able to engage in consensual behavior so long as other people aren’t harmed. I see no reason why our opinion as fans matters any more than it informs our decision to spend money watching the NHL. Your indignation is irrelevant until you stop supporting the league. If the players really want to do something about head shots then that is entirely within their rights. If they want to continue to let head shots happen, that is within their rights as well. The players are all well informed as to the risks they are taking, and they accept those risks. I don’t really believe the Union wants to “crack down” on head shots. Exactly when has the NHLPA called out a player for doing anything? Kelly says that Kronwall “could have done it differently.” That’s the first time I’ve heard a player called out and it wasn’t exactly in the strongest terms. Players routinely engage in far more dangerous and dirty behavior than what Kronwall did, and the Union never does anything. If the players want it to happen, it will happen. Until then, it will be business as usual.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jun 5, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions
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