Should the Flyers take a chance on Emery?
The news that Ray Emery is set for a return to North America and the NHL really isn't a huge surprise, especially since when we last saw him, he wasn't all that far removed from leading a pretty solid Senators team into the Stanley Cup finals.
Now that he's had his timeout, teams are getting desperate, both against the cap and in terms of their personnel in goal, and Emery could represent a good buy if he performs well during his second chance.
It's just a matter of who decides to give him one. (And, surprise, surprise, there may even be competition for his services.)
Philadelphia appears to be the front-runner at this point, and Matt P. over at The 700 Level is optimistic about what Emery joining the Flyers would mean:
Many of us believe the Flyers have a bulls-eye on them from officials and even the league discipliners. Perhaps it's just homerist paranoia, but Emery isn't likely to help in that regard. Where he may improve things is between the pipes. He's talented, and he previously carried the Senators to the finals in 2007. Maybe Emery's sabbatical in Russia was the wakeup call he needed to show him that his stardom and success could end at a moment's notice. Let's hope so. This is a significant gamble for the Flyers to take, but realistically, the acquisition of just about any keeper is. The majority are unpredictable, volatile, and streaky. At least we know that Emery has solid skills, and likely an abundance of motivation to prove himself.
One would think so anyway.
I've mentioned previously that I thought there were potentially a lot of European netminders a team could take a chance on, but barring that, the choices for a team as cap-strapped as the Flyers aren't pretty – especially given that both Philadelphia's current 'tenders, Marty Biron and Antero Niittymaki, are unrestricted free agents, and seem unlikely to return.
The reasonable choices in terms of signing a "No. 1" netminder include Nikolai Khabibulin (who figures to be too expensive), Dwayne Roloson, Martin Gerber, Manny Legace, Ty Conklin, Craig Anderson and Scott Clemmensen, and it's difficult to predict if any will constitute an upgrade over Biron-Niittymaki.
Where I think Emery may be a suitable solution is if the Flyers can get him on a reasonably priced one- or two-year contract and use him in tandem with someone like Anderson, who played well in limited minutes last season and could yet prove to be a solid No. 1. Conklin is another candidate for a role like that.
Sure, it's rolling the dice, but Philadelphia only has about $5-million (depending on where the cap lands) to spend in free agency and needs two netminders and another defenceman to round out its lineup. A goaltender that makes $3-million-plus may be out of the question, and few who make less than that were playing in the finals and had 33 wins in the regular season two years ago.
With an Emery-Anderson tandem, they'd have two veterans with something to prove and could potentially get the best out of their group while those two battled for the starter's role. Barring a blockbuster trade that will weaken the Flyers' depth up front, what other options are there? This is a team that should be ready for a step forward but desperately needs this fickle piece to fall into place.
I think they're in a spot where they've got to take a chance on someone – and with this franchise, that's not exactly a new proposition. Why not Emery?
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I think the flyers are better off trying to bring back Biron for another season. If they want to make a big splash Khabibulin is the guy to take.
Emery wasn’t let go just because of the drama, but also because he wasn’t stopping pucks.
by Ebscer on Jun 5, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Either Emery regains his form, or this whole thing blows up in the Flyers face in the most hilariously catastrophic way imaginable.
Really it’s win-win (and I say that as someone who actually likes the Flyers)
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 5, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1) Emery has learned? Didn’t he attack his KHL team’s trainer during a game? Didn’t he have his car impounded by Ontarion last month? Do the Flyers ever learn?
2) We are also dubious of Emery’s abilities to be an effective starting goalie. His Finals run not withstanding. Of course we would LOVE for the Flyers to sign him. Any goalie willing to drop the mits at a moments notice is fine. LOL
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by Fauxrumors on Jun 5, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a team that should be ready for a step forward but desperately needs this fickle piece to fall into place.
You’ve just summarized the last 15 years for the Flyers.
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by Afino on Jun 5, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
<You’ve just summarized the last 15 years for the Flyers>
Amen!
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by Fauxrumors on Jun 5, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the one hand, Emery has the kind of attitude the Flyers and their fans apparently love, and with Biron likely gone because of the Flyers’ cap issues and the likelihood that he wants a long-term, expensive deal, and with Niittymaki trying to get by on an 80-year-old’s hips, it could be a good move.
On the other, can they afford to have two wildly unpredictable and volatile personalities in the same rotation? Carcillo’s got enough of a five-cent head for TWO franchises, and adding Emery to the mix is like mixing fire and gasoline. Hell, given their history together, Emery might end up fighting Carcillo during a game…
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by zyllyx on Jun 5, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anderson is the guy they should focus on. Guys with actual upside are the key. Biron remains a good choice as well… he took them to the Conference Finals in the same manner that Cam Ward took the Hurricanes this past year. Biron actually has that ability, even if it is an inconsistent one.
Emery might be better value, as he might sign for about $1.5m or so. Biron probably wants another $3.5-$4m. But Biron has more upside, IMHO. Emery barely had to break a sweat for Ottawa as they took the Eastern Conference in a romp in 2007… when they hit the Finals, and faced an opponent they weren’t dominating in every aspect of the game, Emery was helpless.
I still don’t think Robert Esche ever cost them a playoff series. Niether has Biron. Chris Osgood on the Flyers wouldn’t have won them any Cups, either.
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by saskhab on Jun 5, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Even if Emery regains his form, that wouldn’t be an upgrade over Biron. If the Flyers think they’re ready for a run, they’re either going to need to trade for a goalie, or otherwise shed enough salary to keep Biron or pick up a Khabibulin.
That said, I voted yes because (like many) I’m happy with the Flyers having mediocre goaltending and self-destructive personalities…
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by Back In Black on Jun 5, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a team that should be ready for a step forward but desperately needs this fickle piece to fall into place.
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It’s odd someone mentioned Esche, who did not appear in the list on the original post. I thought Esche looked very good during the world championships, (on deflected goal by a d-man made a huge difference).
Will Emery mix with mild mannerd, French-Canadian Rejean Lemelin? Was not Eli Wilson brought in to “personally” work with Emery?
Do we beleive Emery’s skin is thick enough to handle the Flyer’s fans? If one obscure trainer can send him into a Frenzy, how will he react to 20,000 of hockey’s most intimidating fans wearing “Megadeath shirts”?
I’ve have heard people say Emery has a “firey on ice peronality” like Ron Hextall. To those who are thinking of comapring Emery to Hextall, Stop!
Keep on of the two vets on roster for 1-2 seasons, If the Flyers are looking to roll the dice, http://thegoalieguild.com/2009/05/25/the-vantaa-vulture/
by cubanpuckstopper on Jun 5, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted yes, but purely for the potential comedic value to non Flyers fans.
by kevincrumbs on Jun 5, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I vote yes for the same reason….It’s a train-wreck waiting to happen.
Plus we’d get as many as 6 regular season matchups of Avery vs. Emery. Could you imagine Avery and his antics in Emery’s face? Especially in crazy environments like MSG and Philly where the fans are already incensed? Gong show waiting to happen.
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 5, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
<imagine Avery and his antics in Emery’s face?>
Loving the idea of this! LOL
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by Fauxrumors on Jun 5, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the odds Johan Backlund makes the team next season? From 2006-2009 he was at 2.32, .909, 16 shutouts for Timra of the Swedish Elite League— any idea how that translates?
by Velvet Canuck on Jun 5, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.fromtherink.com/2009/5/4/864473/goals-per-game-by-league
Here’s my best guess.
Sweden played at a 5.40 GPG rate (the rate stayed relatively constant over the last few years – see my comment on that post), the NHL at 5.70.
5.7/5.4 = 1.056
1.056*2.32 = 2.45 GAA
0.909/1.056 = 0.861 Save %
I don’t have the Elitserien goalie stats in front of me (so no way do I know where he ranked with it), but the 0.909 save percentage seems low even for Elitserien standards. I don’t see that translating well to the NHL, maybe not as low as .861 (which shouldn’t even get you an NHL job), but probably more like the .880’s, which still wouldn’t.
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by Afino on Jun 5, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With an Emery-Anderson tandem, they’d have two veterans with something to prove and could potentially get the best out of their group while those two battled for the starter’s role.
With an Emery-Anderson tandem they also have two unproven players who might as well completely flop during the season (I’m exaggerating, I know). The cap situation seems to be forcing the Flyers to introduce the “win now” (or at least “win soon”) mentality. Anderson is a good player, Emery on the other hand not only makes a lot of mistakes, but also could be a problem in the locker room. Acquiring Emery is not an improvement for the Flyers – and it’s not only the case of Emery over Biron. The Flyers might as well keep Niittymaki and back him up with Anderson (or Tellqvist, or Yann Danis) – it will be better than signing Emery, because they would at least be free from distractions.
As far as the comparisons to Hextall go – if Emery is Hextall, Avery is Hull. The difference between the two goalies is that Hextall was a stellar (in his rookie season at least) goaltender who was really aggressive on the ice and Emery’s antics continue off the ice.
by -V- on Jun 5, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another calculated misstep by a franchise filled with a long line of troubled tenders. How many times must they relearn this lesson? Before bolstering their blueline with J.Bo, perhaps Philly should solicit the services of a goaltending scout.
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by puckreport on Jun 5, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would much rather see them go after Anderson than Emery. I think his potential to be locker room cancer is too great to take this risk. Flyers teams haven’t had consistent stellar goaltending in so many years, I’m not sure Emery is the answer at all.
As a Flyers fan, I would gladly have Biron back but with his apparent long term, $3.5 million contract demands I would unfortunately have to say no to that.
by eac on Jun 5, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. A lot of people are saying they should bring Biron back, but he’s likely to command a salary they can’t afford without moving someone else out.
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by James Mirtle on Jun 6, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Roman Cechmanek unavailable?
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by PPP on Jun 5, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately though, Garth Snow IS unavailable.
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"So get some more guys and then it'll be an even fight."
by Afino on Jun 5, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
They’re a good team. They aren’t a great team and don’t have the cap flexibility to be one unless they take a couple of calculated risks that pay off.
If they could sign Emery and somebody like Conklin/Nittymaki for one year at 2.5 million combined, they could go a long way toward keeping the rest of their team intact. Then just split the games roughly 40/40, and at the deadline when adding salary becomes more possible, re-assess the situation then.
Sure, it could blow up in their face…but at the very least they’re still a playoff team. If the options are to sign Emery and another cheap but proven backup and keep Cater, Coburn, Giroux, Parent, etc. after their contracts expire OR sign a “real” goalie and run the risk of losing a good chunk of their core in the next couple years, I’d take the first option every time.
by Make a play Whitner on Jun 5, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If they can find somebody who wants Briere, that might open up enough cap space for a quality goaltender. It would almost have to be a team near the cap floor to want to take on that contract, and I doubt they’d get much in return. Plus, other than meeting cap standards, Briere hasn’t shown much promise lately. They’d have to hope for a return to Buffalo form over the constantly injured Philly version
by Hansmoleman on Jun 5, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, Briere has been a PPG player with the Flyers, when he’s healthy. Of course, I’d never take him on my team though…
by Habs on Jun 5, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Philly wants a chance at playing in the 2010 Winter Classic they pretty much would have to sign Conklin, yes?
by hawksfan21 on Jun 5, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, they only have a chance if they don’t sign Conklin. They’re guaranteed to be in if they do sign him
by Hansmoleman on Jun 5, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The chance being that they play the team that does sign Conks
by Hansmoleman on Jun 5, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they should, but I sure hope they do!
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by Grrrreg on Jun 5, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
craig anderson
gives me wood. to say anderson “played well” is an understatement…he’s been one of the five best puck-stoppers in the league the last two years. philly (or any other goalie-needy team) should desperately try to get him on-board.
by passive_voice on Jun 6, 2009 11:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i have a better idea (i think)
how about briere, lupul, and carle to the kings for unhappy jack johnson and jonathan quick?
or lupul and carle plus a 3rd rounder to the wild for josh harding?
either way the flyers get to cut salary and get a young, talented, developable (new word!) goalie.
by hoorayjason on Jun 7, 2009 2:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who wants Lupul at his salary? Anyone?
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by James Mirtle on Jun 7, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is always a team in need of scoring that would take his contract. i think lupul is apart of deal to get jaybo because i think florida needs that scoring depth to make the playoffs.
by Flyers97 on Jun 7, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has to be apart of a bigger plan
i think flyers gm has something big planned for draft day. I dont mind this because biron isnt a goalie worth 4-6 million a year. i dont know what biron is thinking. did he see tape of his play during the regular season? I think flyers are going to load up on defenseman and really good back up goalie. i do believe one of the core is getting traded.
the problem with this team this past season was that richards,carter,hartnell,lupul got too relax by worry about hitting the bars in old city philly instead of playing. they got to cut this crap and worry about whats going on the ice instead sitting back so they can get to the bars after the game.
i also begining to think richards cant lead this on his own. he needs help by hatcher type player to lead this team.
a real leader doesnt throws his gm under the bus instead of blaming himself for his performance in playoffs.
by Flyers97 on Jun 7, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Philly media is reporting that a deal is pretty much done, 1 year, 1.5 mil. As a Flyers fan, I welcome Emery.
Biron is reported to be seeking 5 years, 5mil or so. Ridiculous.
by feelingkettle on Jun 8, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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