Why the Blackhawks can exceed the cap
Got a great email from a Blackhawks fan yesterday that's worth talking about:
Hi there James,
I have a cap-related question I thought I might ask, because I'm finding it very difficult to gather the details myself. Naturally, as a Hawks fan, this relates to Chicago's cap position.
I've read the relevant section in the CBA (50.5(h), if memory serves, about performance bonuses), and much of the language used requires the reading of prior sections in order (for me, anyway) to adequately interpret it. I have the brain but not the patience to do so, unfortunately. I understand that any club can exceed $56.8-million by what amounts to $4.26-million this year, so that the cap in effect becomes $61.06-million. But where I lose ground is in determining just how, exactly, that affects the team for the next year, if at all. Plain and simple: if Chicago were to exceed $56.8-million by x dollars, does their upper limit of their cap the following year then decrease by x (assuming, of course, that all the bonuses are met)? As well, is the determination of the cap, as regards performance bonuses anyway, made at the start of the season or at the trade deadline (another potential factor I read about, which seemed fishy to me)?
There's no way Chicago would carry an excess into or through this year if it were to count against them when Toews, Kane and Keith are each due their increases [next season]. I'm asking because everyone everywhere is talking about Chicago being above the cap, below the cap, desperate to make a move, set for the year, etc., etc.; and I'm asking you because I respect your opinion and figured if you don't know for certain, you'd at least be able to point me in the right direction.
It seems odd that such basic information is so hard to come by, with such wildly divergent opinions on something that's ostensibly written somewhere "in stone"? Anyway, thanks so much again, and thanks for any light you can shed on this!
Brett
A bit long, I know, but he's definitely on the right path here and his figures as to the "bonus cushion" by which teams can exceed the cap are right on. I sent him this brief response with the relevant cap-related details:
"Basically, because 2010 is not a year in which the CBA can end, teams are able to have bonuses put them over the cap and then carry that excess over into 2010-11. As a result, they are allowed to, all season, go over the cap to the extent bonuses cause that issue, but if players hit all of their targets, by season's end they'll have a huge charge to next year's cap. (Which we've already heard will likely be lower than this season's.)"
NHLSCAP.com has many of the relevant details here.
By my count, Chicago is spending about $57.6-million to this point, and that includes the full complement of 12 forwards, six defencemen and two goaltenders. The two bonuses that allow them to exceed the $56.8-million cap come from Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane, who will earn just $850,000 and $8750,000 in base salary this season.
If neither hits a single bonus, as unlikely as that sounds, the Blackhawks can play the entire season with their current roster and finish $4.2-million under the salary cap.
Now, many of the entry-level bonuses are easy to hit, especially for front-line players like Toews and Kane, so Chicago won't quite be that far under, but they can certainly enter the season with their current lineup. If either player is hurt in the early going, they could easily fail to reach their bonuses and those they miss will be lifted from the cap. If both play well and begin to hit those targets, GM Dale Tallon will have to shuttle out someone like Brent Sopel ($2.33-million this season and next) to another team or the minors and continue on his merry way.
Where the 'Hawks will likely have a critical issue with the cap will be next season, when both Toews and Kane are off their entry-level deals and there will be no bonus cushion under the cap. Trading players like Sopel or Dustin Byfuglien, who have decent sized charges against both this and next season's caps, makes a lot of sense.
But it's not mandatory, and because Toews and Kane are still so young and on entry-level contracts, it affords Chicago a lot of leeway going into this season. I'm sure that's a major part of the reason that they're going for it in 2009-10.
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I still see no way that chicago will be able to sign both Kane and Toews next summer let alone Keith…
by Ebscer on Jul 10, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of trades for prospects/picks: Byfuglien, Sharp, and Versteeg become obvious targets. In a perfect world, Campbell. Or even Huet if Crawford or Niemi steps up this year.
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by saskhab on Jul 10, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, if that fails, drop a guy down into the AHL. Chicago’s shown a real willingness to spend lately.
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by James Mirtle on Jul 10, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that getting rid of Versteeg is a good move on their part either...
by Ebscer on Jul 10, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s better than losing Kane, Toews, or Keith.
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by saskhab on Jul 10, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then you probably lack imagination and creativity
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by Illini0509 on Jul 10, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They better all stay healthy
….. and if the Hawks get into injury problems? Having so little ‘wiggle room’ is not the way to go into a season.
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by Fauxrumors on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Huet?
Come on Saskhab. What team wants Huet at that ridiculous salary? How many playoff series has he won in his career?
by Exit716 on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s why it’s more likely that teams would want a player like Giguere instead of Huet, even if he’s a little more expensive.
by szklarzu on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t always get what you want..
Giguere has a NTC and I believe a sick kid which is why he likes Southern California and the nice medical facilities. Other places have good hospitals too, but no lock anyone can count on a player waiving a NTC.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 10, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His child has an eye condition, I believe, and there are specialists in treating it in CA. Can’t fault him for looking after his family’s health above all else – fathers do that.
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by Baroque on Jul 10, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember watching an interview of him last season, where he said something to the effect of, “Hockey is something I do, not who I am.”
With his father passing last season as well, it makes even more sense for him to be especially concerned with his family’s health.
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by Mr. Plank on Jul 13, 2009 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant it in the same context as Campbell… in a “perfect world”, as in Chicago’s perfect world. :)
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by saskhab on Jul 10, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett?
That’s nice of Brett Lebda to be so concerned with the Hawks cap situation. Brett, if you want to be a Hawk this season we’ll be happy to only charge you $200k for the honor.
I think the real question is with Kane, Toews and Keith so young would they all have a shot at actually fulfilling the 12 -15 year contracts they are likely to sign?
by herecomethehawks77 on Jul 10, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Mirtle
Did Tallon send you this e-mail?
by The Admiral on Jul 10, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I surprised the email wasn’t signed:
“D. Tallon….Uh too many details, let’s just say I’m Dave T”
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 10, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that’s true, then I hope James doesn’t do any consulting for free. Hold out for a purchase order number and charge them a proper fee. :)
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by Baroque on Jul 10, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then tell them you didnt get the quote on time, so you have to charge them more
by The Admiral on Jul 10, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
+1
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by IAmJoe on Jul 10, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice. :-)
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by Baroque on Jul 11, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant.
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by Mr. Plank on Jul 13, 2009 4:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
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by Fauxrumors on Jul 10, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Under the category of "Easier Said Than Done"
“GM Dale Tallon will have to shuttle out someone like Brent Sopel ($2.33-million this season and next) to another team or the minors and continue on his merry way.”
If only. I think Byfuglien is a more likely target, given his high visibility in the playoffs after a rather lackluster year. It’s a good time to sell high on him. Aliu can likely fill the physical role that Buff plays when his head isn’t in the clouds.
by the wolf on Jul 10, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Put Sopel on waivers. If he’s unclaimed, send him down.
Problem solved.
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by James Mirtle on Jul 10, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if he is claimed off waivers, wouldn’t the Hawks still have to take a hit on some of his salary?
by Geoffhawk on Jul 10, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
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by James Mirtle on Jul 10, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only applies on recall waivers. If he’s claimed on the way down, they are rescued from this mess.
by Resolute on Jul 10, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
barring a massive bus crash involving the entire Hawks D-corps, they shouldn’t have to bring him back up. Guys on 2 way contracts like Jordan Hendry are more preferable options financially and hockey-wise.
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by Original Six on Jul 12, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, just how awful does that Brian Campbell contract look today?
by Resolute on Jul 10, 2009 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
about a million times more awful than how it looked at the time of signing… and it looked plenty bad then.
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by stucky on Jul 10, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it still wasnt as ugly as his singing during the 7th inning stretch at the Cubs game.
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by poploser on Jul 11, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He knew all the words, but it’s safe to say he hasn’t blown any of his contract on singing lessons.
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by hawksfan21 on Jul 12, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My fifteen (virtual) minutes
Thanks, James, this helps clarify a lot. Was a bit long, though your right.
by ChicoMaki on Jul 10, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent article
James, have been reading your work now for over a year. You stand out from your peers with the consistent excellence, balance and insight in your articles.
Thanks for this one. Another gem from you.
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by DaveTheRave on Aug 9, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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