Hudler not lost yet
In his first public statement on the international dispute over Detroit forward Jiří Hudler, K.H.L. president Alexander Medvedev sounded a conciliatory note, saying on Thursday that the Russian league would wait for an N.H.L. arbitrator’s decision on Hudler’s status with the Red Wings before registering the contract the player signed with Dynamo Moscow.
Medvedev made the remarks in Zurich after a meeting with I.I.H.F. president René Fasel, telling the Russian daily Sport-Express that the K.H.L. "will not register Hudler’s contract, pending the outcome of the N.H.L. arbitration."
Hudler's arbitration hearing is scheduled for July 31, but if the KHL's waiting on the Red Wings to walk away from an arbiter's award, they're likely to be SOL. Only in very rare cases do NHL clubs walk away from a decision, and even though a large award to Hudler would put Detroit over the salary cap, they can simply trade him for other, less expensive assets after agreeing to the deal.
Hudler gets his money, gets out of Detroit and stays in the NHL, while the Red Wings don't lose him for nothing. Even if they only pull in draft picks or depth prospects for his rights, that's preferable to an outright defection, and to me, that looks like where we're headed.
Worth noting, however, a few days ago, Klein offered a translation of Hudler's thoughts on why he was leaving:
"The K.H.L. is an interesting league; it is evolving rapidly. Many of my friends are more than positive about it. In addition, at Dynamo I’ll get something that I was not getting with the Red Wings: a lot of playing time and the opportunity to become a leader. According to Golovkov [the Dynamo president], the team has excellent strength and is set solely on winning the upcoming championship. Such an approach I like. I’ve already won the Stanley Cup, and now it is time to take a new trophy."
He also mentioned he'd be joining former teammate Danny Markov on Dynamo.
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Pretend reasons:
- The K.H.L. is an interesting league
- The K.H.L. is evolving rapidly
- Many of my friends are more than positive about it
- a lot of playing time and the opportunity to become a leader.
- it is time to take a new trophy.
Real reason:
- More money
Why are players so afraid to admit that they are following the money? I’ll never understand that.
by cferneyh on Jul 16, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hudler was shorted playing time
Evidently Babcock thinks Hudler is too small. I think if he was treated fairly, the money Detroit offered would have been enough.
by dogster on Jul 16, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hudler reportedly got, what $5 million (tax free) per year in Russia? Can’t see him coming close to touching that in an NHL courtroom.
I’m sure the NHL doesn’t want to back down and risk a precedent for players/the KHL to use with restricted free agnets, but you’d think all parties could work out some something for this specfic case like Detoit maintains his NHL rights but loans Hudler to the KHL.
Detroit could bring him back in 2 years (under this summer’s arbitration salary) when maybe they’re better positioned and some of their forwards (Holmstrom, Draper, etc) could be gone to allow for more playing time and salary space.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 16, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Medvedev can say whatever he wants right now, the real question is what happens after the ruling. If the Wings accept the arbitrator’s decision Medvedev can still fight in court, especially if Hudler decides that he won’t play for the money he gets from the arbitrator.
by -V- on Jul 16, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cold War Thawing?
1) Regardless there seems to be a significant change in the way the KHL and NHL are handling each other’s assets. Is the ‘Cold War’ we saw quite a bit last spring/summer defrosting a tad? First the NHL refused to allow a player with a valid KHL contract to play here(Kwiatkowski ). Now the KHL might defer to the NHL arbiter whether Hudler can play over there.
2) Last year Medvedev was blustering that the KHL would take any player who wanted to come over there regardless of their contract status and the NHL rarely cared whether or not a player was under contract with a non signer of a transfer agreement.
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by Fauxrumors on Jul 16, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve had to amend this post slightly as there’s a provision in arbitration that forbids teams from dealing players immediately after accepting a ruling.
Is that a new provision? My memory’s a bit shaky, but I thought Brian Burke traded Vitaly Vishnevski immediately after arbitration.
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 16, 2009 2:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TSN’s player profile of Vishnevski says he was traded August 17/06. I know there is a deadline by which you have to accept or reject the ruling, so I guess maybe you have time in between accepting or rejecting the ruling to trade the player? I’ve heard of the one year thing before as well, as Cammalleri was traded by LA a year after his hearing. I also know there is a one year NTC on guys who have been signed to offer sheets.
So maybe the Ducks didn’t accept the arbitration ruling, but traded him to Nashville in time for the Predators to.
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by saskhab on Jul 16, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I do have some BoC archives to help set some dates.
On July 28th, Vish-dog got the arbiter’s ruling — 1-year, $1.55 M, and in the post I said this (presumably true):
This is Anaheim’s only arbitration case, so ‘walking away’ needs to happen within the next 48 hours or so.
So I think the ruling was accepted and 3 weeks later he was a Thrasher. Did Burke break the rules there?
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by Earl Sleek on Jul 16, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoot, that’s what I get for trusting the other report. I’m going to pull that comment out of there for the time being as I think you can trade a player after he elects for arbitration.
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by James Mirtle on Jul 16, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think trading a player’s rights depends on which party (player or the team) file for arbitration. If the team files, they either accept the offer or the player becomes a free agent. Hudler filed, so they also have the option of trading him.
As for trading a player immediately after arbitration, what does the league mean by immediately? Sounds like if you move him before the end of training camp (cap issues), you are ok.
by skatehack on Jul 16, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re right, but I haven’t been able to confirm this. Club-elected arbitration means no “walk away” rights, so it would make sense that they also don’t have the right to deal the player.
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by James Mirtle on Jul 16, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t believe Hudler warrants whatever arbitration decides. I firmly believe he’s more a product of this system around him and is replaceable.
I think had Holland known he was assuredly going to lose both Hudler and Samuelson, he would have offered more to try and get Hossa to stay.
by hallock on Jul 16, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone will take Hudler in a trade, so there’s a chance they get a decent asset back. I agree with what you’re saying regarding his play in the Wings system, however.
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by James Mirtle on Jul 16, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s both: he’s a valuable player, and he’s a product of the Wings’ system. I think the important part about about Hudler is accepting him for what he is. The kid’s not very fast, and he plays almost no defense, but he can score. He has a nice feel in the offensive zone. Too many teams would be busy focusing on what he can’t do, and would wreck him by trying to change the way he plays. A smart team would focus on what he can do, and make sure they pair him with linemates that can accentuate what he does, and cover up for what he doesn’t.
The Red Wings have handled him well. This is something that I think Mike Babcock has gotten better at since he came to Detroit. He trusts his team more, and does focus on what they can do, which I’m not sure was a skill he mastered while he was in anaheim.
Of course, I think that it’s likely that some team trades for him thinking that they can “fix” the things that are “wrong” with him, and ends up really disappointed when it doesn’t work. This is particularly true if one of the focuses is on letting him play more. The team that thinks that way is more likely to want him to be a “complete” player, rather than just playing what they have. that’s not to say that the player Jiri Hudler is couldn’t play more than he did, just that the team that wants him to do that is unlikely to comprehend what they’re getting.
by J. Michael Neal on Jul 16, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
James, it looks like you were correct initially. According to the latest from mlive, Detroit can trade Hudler without any restrictions.
by skatehack on Jul 16, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I should have trusted my instincts and went with that. It doesn’t make any sense that a player can take his team to arbitration and then force them to keep him for a year.
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by James Mirtle on Jul 16, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember all the Danny Markov hype two years ago?
I wonder what kind of interest he’s getting now. Didn’t he sign a two-year contract the year he left, with the second-year having an out/option if he signed in the NHL?
by wlittle on Jul 16, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wings beat writer Ansar Khan says that they CAN trade Huds after arbitration:
Contrary to what I wrote earlier, if the Red Wings accept the arbitrator’s decision regarding Jiri Hudler’s salary, they still have the option of trading him. The NHL said there are "no restrictions.’’
In that case, it makes no sense for the Wings to walk away from the decision and lose his rights and get nothing for him. They surely would accept the decision and, if it’s more than they want to pay, they can move him for a player and/or draft picks, assuming there’s a taker.
So it appears Hudler will remain in the NHL, one way or another, and will not get that two-year, $10 million mega deal from Dynamo. His curious decision to file for arbitration could end up costing him millions.
But all of this still remains to be seen. Who knows if there will be another unexpected twist in the situation.
Hudler’s North American agent, Petr Svoboda, hasn’t been returning calls the last few weeks.
by Mike Rogers on Jul 16, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It should be said that the Wings are allowed to trade Hudler, not that they CAN trade Hudler. He’s said that he wants to either play for the Wings or in the KHL, so he’s pretty much made himself untradeable.
Hudler shorted playing time.
Hudler was shorted playing time Evidently Babcock thinks Hudler is too small. I think if he was treated fairly, the money Detroit offered would have been enough.
Except that…he has been treated fairly, but maybe not in his own eyes. He hasn’t produced with second-line minutes. He’s not physical or good enough defensively to be on a third line. So what’s the best spot? On the fourth line where he doesn’t have to worry much about defensive responsibilities while getting prime PP time to maximize his skill set.
I don’t want the Wings to invest long-term dollars in Jiri. I want that money to be available because there may be better options available and more flexibility down the line, rather than have $3 per year tied up in a PP specialist.
by Bosc Ulrich on Jul 17, 2009 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t seen him say he’ll only play for the Wings in the NHL. In fact, I think Hudler wants a trade to somewhere he can play more.
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by James Mirtle on Jul 17, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure I saw it in a couple of places where he said that he only wanted to play for Detroit.
http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/07/red_wings_gm_ken_holland_confi_1.html
From Malik’s post, he notes:
He also provided a translation of part of the iDnes report:
“In Detroit … I didn’t want to go to another club. So I didn’t ask for a trade,” Hudler was quoted as saying. "Then came Dynamo with their offer. I started thinking about it and decided to go to Russia.
Unfortunately, the article that Malik references isn’t online anymore.
by Bosc Ulrich on Jul 17, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Even if that’s true, they can still move his rights to another club if they want.
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by James Mirtle on Jul 17, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, but they’ll have to find a club who agrees to take his rights and actually deal something for them. That’ll be a tough sell if he’s stated that he only wants to be in Detroit, which is what I was trying to get at.
by Bosc Ulrich on Jul 17, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I didn’t ask for a trade” is different than “I refuse to play for anyone but detroit”
by detroitnick on Jul 17, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course. He doesn’t have a no-trade clause or a JFJ clause, so he has no right of refusal for a trade. But “I didn’t want to go to another club” lands somewhere in between the two and hurts the chances of a team willing to trade this particular unsigned player.
by Bosc Ulrich on Jul 20, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was really hoping that the wings will sign hudler, i think he is good two way player, sure he has some size issues but he can really shoot the puck good…I really thought that hudler would be moving up a line this coming year, i thought he would play him with zetterberg… hudler put up carreer numbers last year and I believe he would have topped that playing with hank on the second line in detroit….but like someone said up the page, hudler is in it for the money at this point…we should let him go to russia, use his money to sign Mike Grier, more size, more grit, and he can score too
by wingsfanforlife on Jul 20, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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