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The NHL's new media evolution (Part I)

Kudos are in order for Brandon Worley, the Stars blogger here at SB Nation, for a great Q&A with a trio of respected NHL media in Mike Heika, Greg Wyshynski and Bob Sturm this week. All three work in different mediums — print, online and radio — and as such have different perspectives on how hockey coverage is being influenced by the web.

I appreciate the honestly with which they answered, too. Here's an example from Heika in response to a question on a lack of respect for blogs from the mainstream media:

You have to have a certain amount of confidence that you are a leader, and newspapers have been able to fill that role for years. But I clearly think we have seen the humbling of newspapers in the last five years. I truly believe that respect of blogs is currently there for most reporters and arriving quickly for everyone else.

And here's Heika again on the future of print media:

I think the biggest flaw in the newspaper system is the time and expense it takes to get a paper product to the consumer. If I file a story at 10:30 p.m., my first deadline, then it goes through an editor to a plate maker to a press, to a big truck and eventually to a delivery guy. That takes probably six hours and a lot of money in employees and natural resources (paper, ink, electricity, gasoline). Or, I can push a button on my computer and send it to everyone who wants it — instantly and for little cost to our paper.

The internet system is clearly the better choice, but we have not been able to find a way to make significant money off of it. The sticking point in adjusting is that a two or three website staff that doesn't travel can make money, but a 50-man sports department that travels to every game probably can't.

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I personally see this every day in going from one job to the next, the blog (afternoon) to the newspaper (night), and how news that's presented quickly and essentially cost free online can take up to 30 hours to land on a reader's doorstep the following morning (all across the second largest country in the world, no less). Now, often those stories are being updated as much as possible in the hours leading up to a deadline, but there are still those "dead" hours in between.

There's no question Heika's one-click suggestion is the more efficient one.

And when massively popular online entities like Wired are talking about just breaking even with their web products, you can imagine the challenge in monetizing something as niche as NHL coverage in the vast majority of the league's markets. Supporting a full-time travelling NHL beat writer on page views is, as of now, impossible.

Heika's right in terms of the business model: Newspapers, flawed and troubled as they may be, still support a much, much larger news-gathering operation than websites when it comes to sports coverage, and there's going to be a long, long process ahead to determine how that ultimately plays out. Publications will fail. (Web operations will, too, come to think of it.)

As someone in the middle of all of it, it's both frightening and exciting to consider the possibilities, as it's nearly impossible to tell what kind of an environment I'll be working in five or six years from now. Blogs are making progress, quickly, and the arrival of Wyshynski in a full-time role and SB Nation's growth in the past nine months are big signs of that.

Brandon will have Part II of his discussion up at some point today, and I'll have more thoughts on all this in the near future. It is the summer, after all.

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James, I think you have definitely bridged the divide between newspapers and the Internet in terms of hockey coverage which is why you are one of the most read guys on the ebays. That said, the question always has been with the Internet is how do you monetize it (outside of porn)? If newspapers are bankrolling reporters and helping to feed the Internet content but losing money, what happens when the newspapers go away? Hopefully guys like Puck Daddy can prove that they can be paid for content. However, what we might see is less on site reporting and more reliance (in the States at least) of the AP feeds of games which would be bad, in my estimation.

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by Blackcapricorn on Jul 29, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s going to lead to a situation where, if websites don’t raise enough money through advertising, we, the readers, are going to have to pay up to access SBN and the like. That, my friends, would be Armageddon.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, no I don’t think it would be… the cost involved would likely be minimal anyway.

Not that I think it’ll come to that.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you’re right, James. If newspapers go the way of the dinosaurs, perhaps websites might follow. Who knows? I DO know that I don’t want to be part of a Twitter world.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 29, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d be fine if I made one or two cents per unique hit to this site, for example, if it was a pay per use system. Would people be willing to pay $3 for an entire year reading content here? I dunno. But that’s about all it would take.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jul 29, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

$3 would be a nominal fee, but it’s been my experience people get upset when suddenly they have to pay for something they’ve gotten for free before. What if SBN becomes part of a larger corporate entity? Surely they’’ll want a bigger piece of the pie.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 29, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m fine with sites I read moving to a subscription based system. Some I’ll pay for, and some I won’t. I’d pay significantly more than $3 a year to read just this blog. I generate far more than $3 a year worth of enjoyment out of it every year. Arguing with Gerald is probably worth at least $10 just by itself.

I’m a strong believer that the best results in an industry result when the consumer of the product also pays the costs. I think that relying on advertising has produced a suboptimal media industry, in which the needs of the advertisers often outweigh the needs of the readership, no matter how hard the editorial side may try to keep that from happening. (And often, they don’t try very hard.)

by J. Michael Neal on Jul 29, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only problem I have (not to say this is the direction SB Nation and FTR is headed) is when you get the one-paragraph snippet, and then the “be an Insider/Season Ticket Holder/whatever” to read the rest of it, ala ESPN.

Either make the entire thing a paysite, or nothing at all. Doing it half-assed will upset more people.

by Afino on Jul 29, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That snippet BS drives me insane too.

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by PPP on Jul 29, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fun fact: More than a few of the ESPN Insider hockey links are to From The Rink.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jul 29, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From The Rink > ESPN

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 29, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Annoying, but effective. I don’t see those going away any time soon.

by Subversive on Jul 29, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well neither do I.

I was just saying there’s better ways of going about it from a reader’s perspective.

by Afino on Jul 29, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely. Charge a small subscription fee and get a lot of people subscribing, or go with the higher-priced “insider” status, get fewer people paying it, and tick off the rest.

(Although I don’t ever bother with ESPN.com since I picked up two computer viruses from them, anyway.)

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Jul 29, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, sure, but ESPN.com is worth, maybe, 49 cents a year. Tops.

by J. Michael Neal on Jul 29, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d give them a nickel. A dime if they would get rid of Stuart Scott. :)

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Jul 29, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe a bigger pie.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 29, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would, and do, pay similar amounts to sites which provide value to my world. If and when (I believe inevitably) quality sites start charging for access (they already are in many areas, just not in sports), the good ones should have no qualms about asking for a subscription fee. Everyone needs to put food on the table, and that includes the people who bring the news to us, no matter which way we get it.

by Subversive on Jul 29, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why don’t you just stick a paypal button on your site? I think you’d have way more success if you just gave people the opportunity to compensate you voluntarily for good content. I’m sure there’s a sizable portion of your audience that would be willing to throw a few dollars your way, even if most visitors just continue freeloading.

by mclea on Jul 29, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SBN pays a bit now, so I’d probably clear that with them. But it’s an option.

I had one up on the old site, and only had one donation for $10.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jul 29, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as you give it a prominent spot on the website and make it clear that isn’t a donation, but rather a voluntary payment for good content, then I think it might catch on.

Even if only a couple hundred people ever volunteer to “buy” your articles ITunes style, you could still make a little bit of money. If a was able to put my credit card on file at SBN, and then just click a button to give you two bucks everytime I liked an article, I’d do that.

by mclea on Jul 29, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though I’d peg the average SBNer as mature and intelligent, you can still colour me sceptical.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 29, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heck, I agree.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jul 29, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll admit that I had Andrew Coyne in mind when I first thought of this.

But, I don’t see the harm in trying. The people who read this site are giving you zero dollars right now. I guarantee you’d make more than that.

by mclea on Jul 29, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it’s appreciated. If I’m ever looking to profit more from the work here, I’m sure that’ll happen.

What I’m really after right now is more readers and more discussion here… you’d hope the money side of things comes along with that eventually. This is still just a hobby that’s turned into a bit of a part-time job.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jul 30, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s usually the beginning of the end.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 30, 2009 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? I never noticed the button. And I usually try to drop a few bucks in the tip jar when I am able to.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Jul 29, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s sort of hidden anyway. Says “Make A Donation” which may be where I went wrong…

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jul 29, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Podcasts

It’s interesting to me how podcasts seem to get little mention in most new media-old media discussions, especially pertaining to the NHL. I sometimes listen to sports talk radio, and the advertising is absurd. You can get a five-minute segment followed by ten minutes of advertisements, “updates” identical to the one twenty minutes ago (and telling us the news that the hosts were just discussing), and silly contests. I don’t give a shit about all that, I want to hear hosts A, B, and C talk about what the new bid for the Phoenix Coyotes could mean in terms of their future in the desert.

Then I listen to the Puck Podcast, and the only ad-like thing present is at the very end, when they tell you to visit their website and buy their merch to pay for hosting. (And, I guess, at the beginning, when they mention that they’re recording in a Fox Sports Radio studio.) Otherwise, it’s a solid 90-110 minutes of hockey talk each week. Great, perfect. I also subscribe to the Oilers’ audio and video podcasts, which allow me to bypass the papers, 630 CHED, and even their own website, and hear…okay, mostly it’s cliche soundbites, but there’s also some good interviews, too, including Oilers Live (a semi-regular show that may or may not still exist) and most of Dan Tencer’s interviews with various Oilers personnel on his nightly program. Back when they still updated regularly, I also listened to the Montreal Gazette’s Habs Inside/Out Podcast. And there’s a wealth of other podcasts put together by MSM outlets (like the Globe or FAN 590) and by fans (many of whom also maintain blogs — see the Habscast or Crazy Canucks for examples).

Podcasts are a great way to pass the time on a long commute, they’re compatible with any MP3 player, from that cheap-ass Belkin thing that holds 20 or 30 songs that I got four years ago to the iPhone 3GS (though some require a bit more finessing than others). It’s also a far better way to hear discussion of your favourite team(s) than most sports talk radio, and best of all, there’s no dipshits calling in after the game, telling Tencer for the 400th time and it’s only November that the coach has lost the room and Horcoff needs to be traded and someone should give Robbie Schremp a chance on the top line and JUST STOP BEFORE I STAB THE INTERNET!

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by Doogie2K on Jul 29, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I listen to a lot of the Fan 590 stuff, but it’s not really podcasts other than the fact it’s audio posted online. Mostly it’s just good sports radio (in a lot of cases, anyway).

Podcasts haven’t become a huge part of my news consumption yet (other than working on the Globe one). But I listen to a lot of audio, so maybe that’ll change.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jul 29, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A loss in beat writers will make it harder to follow any team. Making it harder to follow a team makes it harder to be a fan of the team. Making it harder to be a fan makes it harder for the team to get your money. I think that part of the solution to this has got to be teams supporting the beat writers, or doing so in conjunction with a news organization. The only problem there then becomes what happens when the team doesn’t like what the writer says? We’ve already run into this with the Oilers last year.

I think the result is probably somewhere close to team-supported (whether 100% paid for or partially paid for) “beat writers” for teams. As this model grows, there will probably be rough patches, wherein teams will get knocked on for kicking out a beat writer for his critical views, but ultimately, teams will probably learn the hard way that doing business that way isn’t the best course of action, because of all the bad press it brings. Combined with the fact that if you just do your job well, you’ll have much less criticism of your job, I would hope that we move toward a point where teams more or less just deal with supporting the beat writer, because while you may not like everything he/she says, its better than not having one.

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by IAmJoe on Jul 29, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For all that I criticize Major League Baseball on a number of fronts, they’ve done very well with their media properties. The MLB Network is amazing, and vastly better than either ESPN, or the other leagues’ pet networks. MLB.com is also very good. And, most amazing to me, the coverage (except at the draft) is not uniformly positive. They seem comfortable allowing the people they pay to criticize teams. Color me very impressed with their efforts. Hell, after three years, they finally seem to have the technical issues with MLB.TV worked out.

by J. Michael Neal on Jul 29, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only problem currently regarding MLB is that you can’t even get classic MLB footage and clips on Youtube for the most part. That’s one thing the NHL has done RIGHT is embrace Youtube for the purpose of expanding the popularity of the game via access and highlights and fight clips.

by Afino on Jul 29, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

An entire generation of children would never know the pandemonium of a bench-clearing brawl if not for YouTube. ;)

It is also very instructive to see classic goals and plays, and how different the game looked and played in some facets 20-60 years ago. Hell, 60 years ago players stayed in the box for the full two minutes, come hell or high water.

SNN Sports - A theoretical Oilers blog (i.e. theoretically, I write stuff there)

by Doogie2K on Jul 29, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about the blackout issues? I comment on a baseball blog fairly often, and there are a lot of grumblings from people who are blacked out when Fox decides that they should get another game, but in spite of that they can’t see any game that Fox is showing, even if the one they want to see on the computer isn’t in their TV viewing area.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Jul 29, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The blackout issues are a problem, but it’s important to understand that, with the exception of Saturday afternoons, it’s not the fault of MLB itself. The problem is the contracts that individual teams have signed with their broadcast partners, some of which are, in fact, themselves. These contracts give the broadcasters exclusive rights to the games within certain geographic areas. MLB doesn’t have the authority to override these contracts. What they are doing is leaning on teams, as these contracts come up for renewal, to ease the blackout restrictions, particularly narrowing the geographic territory down to where the games are actually on the air.

As for Fox, you probably aren’t going to get a national TV contract without those restrictions. It’s a completely different relationship than at the local level. MLB has a lot less leverage with Fox than the Minnesota Twins do with Fox Sports North, because FSN has a lot fewer programming alternatives to turn to. Exactly how many times can you show The Worst Damned Spots Show . . .Period?

I have MLB TV and I had the NHL version. MLB is light years ahead of what the NHL manages.

by J. Michael Neal on Jul 29, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have neither of the internet services, so I’m just going with what I hear.

Generally, if a game is a Fox game I am for more likely to avoid it. I’m not all that impressed with the announcers I’ve heard doing baseball for them.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Jul 29, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not the Fox announcers that irritate me, it’s the graphics overload. Every commercial break is like a Star Wars outtake.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 29, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That too. And my favorites – the in-game graphics that cover one quarter of the screen so you can’t actually SEE the tremendous defensive play that just happened because there was an ad for some crappy television show that blocked it.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Jul 29, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You, sir, are preaching to the choir.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 29, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB.com is also very good. And, most amazing to me, the coverage (except at the draft) is not uniformly positive. They seem comfortable allowing the people they pay to criticize teams. Color me very impressed with their efforts.

Yeah, I’ve drifted far (and quite peacefully) from baseball, but when I followed it more, the editorial side of their mlb.com sites really impressed me. Like a second beat writer with apparent total freedom to break uncomfortable news and call things the way they see ‘em. I’ve often wondered if the NHL might go that way, particularly since they lose print beat writers first.

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by Dominik on Jul 29, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Newspapers are DEAD

It’s just that nobody’s told them yet.

I wouldn’t give you a penny I found on the street for a newspaper, and 99 .9% of what is found online is time-wasting junk.

But people will pay for content that is unique or interesting or informative.

How did we get hooked on cable, for instance, when TV was free?

“Hey, couch potato. Tired of watching Beachcombers and Tommy Hunter? You can have NBC, CBS and ABC piped into your homes – picture perfect – for only $5 a month.”

“Where do I sign up?”

Nowadays, the poverty cutoff includes having cable TV as a necessity of living.

So making money off online content is hardly far-fetched. The problem is that we’ve been looking to the navel-gazers at newspapers (proprietor of this blog excepted) to figure it out but, like the dinosaurs, they don’t foresee their own impending extinction.

When the World Wide Web interface was first introduced, making the Algores accessible to non-geeks, one guy I worked with made a pitch to the boss and carved out for himself a sort-of New Media Division. He spent every day from then until the day he quit trying to avoid having his budget cut or eliminated because the myopians couldn’t sell ads around his content.

Lesson of the Day: Newspapers are run by retards. Some of them go on to become presidents of NHL teams.

by garth the hoser on Jul 29, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Somewhat ironically, the only time I ever buy a newspaper is when I hear about a really interesting story online. Then I might go buy a print copy to file away for future reference once the inevitable website link goes dead. (Case in point: the ridiculously informative series the Globe did on junior hockey a few months ago.)

by Resolute on Jul 29, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one I work at seems to be pretty successful.

I’ve written about this before, but for some reason, there are quite a few Canadian papers that are doing okay. The big American ones are getting hammered on circulation, and ad rates are way down because of the recession, but we’re a ways off still from the “dead” stage. The big ones will be around for a while, in some form.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jul 29, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the big papers will figure out a way to survive, but the small papers will die out – and there will be a consolidation so places that used to have several papers will be down to just one. That has already been happening for a while.

I wonder how smaller specialty papers will do, that serve a particular ethnic community? They might be in trouble because they are small, but at the same time they have a good reach into a particular demographic, and might be more desireable for advertisers for that reason since they are more targeted. It’ll be interesting to see which way it goes for them.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Jul 29, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I work at YVR, and the free copies of the Globe and Mail, and the National Post get snapped up quick. You’d have to stuff a copy of the Sun or Province into everybody’s carry-on to get them to even look at one. I think ‘national ’ newspapers , or ’big city’ newspapers (NY Times, Washington Post) are the inevitable conclusion.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 29, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And going back to hockey (because isn’t that what this blog is about?), that means more AP news feeds for your own local coverage. That feeds back to blogging. While there is a wealth of excellent content out there that rivals and exceeds what any newspaper puts out, for 99.99% of us (and that includes James), it doesn’t pay the bills.

Until and if it does, we’re all going to suffer.

by Afino on Jul 30, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me, there’s no reason why a paper couldn’t print the best one or two blog entries of the day in the next day’s paper, pay the blogger a minimal fee and get really cheap but interesting content that way.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jul 30, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Times are tough in the ol’ newsroom but this guy made a somewhat unorthodox career change:

Sports reporter for N.H. paper allegedly ran prostitution ring

The Union-Leader, bless its flinty old heart, had the guts to run this kind of story about one of its employees on its front page.

by Big Picture Guy on Jul 29, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You proved my point after all

“….we’re a ways off still from the "dead" stage. The big ones will be around for a while, in some form…..”

by garth the hoser on Jul 30, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry about that

Nothing personal. But you know as well as I do that CanWest is knocking on death’s door and people we both know will be out of work some day real soon.

You’re just on the survivor ship for the time being.

by garth the hoser on Jul 30, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You’re going to have to get the hang of that ‘reply’ button at some point.

As far as I know, many of the Canwest papers do fine in a lot of large cities in Canada. The Post is obviously having a tough time, but I worked there five years ago and that was the case then, too.

Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com

by James Mirtle on Jul 30, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs


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