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Questions worth asking on Ohlund

Maybe someone can explain how it took only 20 minutes for Tampa Bay to complete negotiations on a seven-year, $26.5M contract with Vancouver free agent defenseman Mattias Ohlund, a deal we believe will be one of the worst of this summer cycle.

— Larry Brooks, New York Post

How the hell do you agree to a contract structured so bizarrely 15 minutes into free agency without any tampering going on? How does that work? Who proposed this deal?

Did Ohlund's agent J.P. Barry have this all conceived going in and say to the first team that called: 'This is the asking price,' at which point Tampa simply said 'sold' without the slightest haggling? Did Tampa get enough time between the hassles in their own ownership to formulate this generous payout and then present it to Barry, who was so bowled over he took it immediately?

— Tony Gallagher, Vancouver Province

And wouldn't it just cap a terrific season if the Lightning were nabbed for tampering?

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I’m not convinced there’s a story here, unless you want to go back to every LensCrafters signing since the lockout and show a pattern of this sort of thing in the NHL. Because we see this every year.

Or is it only a story because now it’s a free agent from a Canadian team?

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by Doogie2K on Jul 5, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The whole gist of the article is very Larry-Brooksish from 2004

Writer vaults his own team, writer vaults what life is like without a cap — no responsibility! Writer slams another hockey city, especially one in a non-traditional market.

Gallagher threw out the stereotypes and hearsay of hockey in Tampa (oh, by the way Tony Gallagher, this was the first season the bolts got revenue sharing — and it only happened with a last-minute salary dump) and only closes with the broader paint strokes that are needed: That this happens every year in one form or another around the league.

 But Gallagher, too deluded in self-interest, doesn’t want to cover that. No, it’s the Canuck perspective of the issue that matters.

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by John Fontana on Jul 5, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just offered my thoughts on this as a fanshot at Raw Charge. The question isn’t even worth answering if morons like Brooks and Gallagher are asking them. Especially Gallagher, who’s on a major “Vancouver would win the Cup every year if not for the other teams” kick the past couple weeks.

by Resolute on Jul 5, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Everyone knew Ohlund was leaving Vancouver, so that’s a non-issue. The team wasn’t even going to offer him a deal.

What is worth asking is how did it get done so quickly? Doogie’s right that that’s happened often in the past, but I don’t have those signings in front of me. Here’s a recent example — so let’s ask the question: Was this fair?

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by James Mirtle on Jul 5, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I looked up last year’s deals — only one in the first two hours, and it was the Lightning signing Radim Vrbata after 50 minutes for $9-million over three years.

So, no, there aren’t contracts signed within the first 15 minutes every year.

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by James Mirtle on Jul 5, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better question: Is there any evidence this wasn’t fair?

Frankly, Brooks stumbles upon the answer to his own question even as he asks it: If this will be one of the worst signings (and there is a chance it could be), would not the rushed time frame be considered a reason for it?

Really, this is a case of Occam’s Razor. The most plausable explanation is that the Lightning, now with 100% more Hedman, wanted a veteran Swedish defenceman to mentor him in Tampa. Well, they knew Ohlund was both a respected Swedish defenceman, and that the Canucks weren’t re-signing him. They probably had a contract drafted up, faxed to Ohlund’s camp at 12:00 on the dot, and blew Mattias’ mind with the offer.

“Damn, that is a lot of Kronors! Sign me up!”

by Resolute on Jul 5, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be. I still don’t see how Ohlund doesn’t look at the rest of the market, etc., in that scenario and wait an hour to sign. His first trip to unrestricted free agent status in his career and he only gets one offer and signs within minutes?

That’s really more plausible than any other scenario?

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by James Mirtle on Jul 5, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could ask the same of the likes of Bouwmeester and the Sedins as to why they didn’t wait to play the market.

by Resolute on Jul 5, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those three had oodles of time to consider their offers and locations.

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by James Mirtle on Jul 5, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? I mean with the Canucks fans making such a stink about the Leafs “tampering” I would think they Sedins didn’t have any time at all. :)

by yrmom on Jul 5, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Conceivably they could have put a time limit on the offer – sign now and get an extra million dollars.

But I don’t think “Occam’s Razor” applies here; it’s also a simple and believable explanation that the Lightning talked to Barry ahead of time.

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by Back In Black on Jul 5, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that that theory involves a conspiracy theory – that Ohlund, his agent, the Lightning and their representatives not only discussed contract ahead of time, but that nobody has spoken out.

by Resolute on Jul 5, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not much of a conspiracy

Especially since neither Ohlund himself nor any “representatives” needed to be involved. Lawton calls Barry, discusses what a successful offer would look like. Done.

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by Back In Black on Jul 5, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed. And for this deal to be announced 15 minutes into free agency, Ohlund has maybe 10 minutes to receive, read and agree to this offer. If we are to assume that he was not involved beforehand, then how does tampering become a simpler theory than the Lightning having a comprehensive offer prepared for that 12:00 bell? Either way, Ohlund makes a snap decision, but one doesn’t involve illegal activities by any party.

by Resolute on Jul 5, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The team can’t talk to his agent about specifics either, regardless of Ohlund’s involvement.

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by James Mirtle on Jul 5, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am aware of that. I am simply questioning how tampering is the easiest explanation for this signing, given the logistics and timing of it.

by Resolute on Jul 5, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It makes it a lot easier for him to make that snap decision if his agent has already negotiated it for him and given his approval. That is why players hire agents.

Why should we be so quick to assume nothing untoward happened, when a simple conversation prior to the starting line is untoward? Why don’t we just assume that Dave Tallon sent out his qualifying offers appropriately, since that’s a much simpler explanation than the possibility that he screwed it up?

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by Back In Black on Jul 5, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why should we be so quick to assume that something untoward happened?

Your comparison to Tallon is both ridiculous and irrelevant. We have evidence to show that Tallon screwed up, so obviously the argument that he sent the offers appropriately is false.

Where is the evidence here? All we have here are two writers often held out for ridicule making blind statements on the theory that controversy sells. Like I said above, if its Brooks and Gallagher making the accusations, we’re really arguing over nothing.

by Resolute on Jul 5, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given the timeline, all I’m saying is that questions should be asked about what happened. If there’s a legitimate explanation, fine.

I don’t care who’s making the allegations in the stories I’ve quoted — I believe there’s genuine reason for concern here.

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by James Mirtle on Jul 5, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and this may just be the first example that really draws attention to it. I marvel every year at how teams and players can come to a mutual agreement on multimillion dollar deals in a matter of hours on July 1st, but extension talks during the season can take months of back and forth negotiations.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 6, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is where the Lightning being willing to talk to Bloggers would help

…because saying the question is worth asking would be a lot more productive if someone were asking the question to the parties involved and not wildly speculating or willing-it-to-be-true.

That’s a different story, though…

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by John Fontana on Jul 6, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it equally plausable that any other team would have offered a deal similar to Tampa Bay’s? My understanding is that Ohlund got a couple of offers before the Lightning’s came in, but they were for 3 years or so.

by Forsch31 on Jul 11, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

back in the day

the NYR had a DVD ready for delivery to Bobby Holik’s house as soon as the period opened – and the deal was done

Lets not forget – the agreements themselves are standard – all you’re doing is filling in the blanks. So it can be done quickly – though I will admit that this seems especially quickly. But I dont think its out of realm of possibility to think that in 30 minutes you can get on the phone with the agent of the player you want, find out what hes looking for, agree on the spot, fax a contract for signature, and fax into the league.

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by poploser on Jul 5, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops…where did my link about Holik go?

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by poploser on Jul 5, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting link there

especially given that Mike Gillis was Holik’s agent. Maybe someone should ask him how this gets done so quickly?

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by Karina on Jul 5, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, except this one was finished in under 14 minutes somehow.

It’s not impossible. It’s just questionable.

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by James Mirtle on Jul 5, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1) Tampering? Probably, but how do you prove it, and as interesting, would Brooks ask the question if the Rangers signed a big named UFA at 12:01 pm July 1st?

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by Fauxrumors on Jul 5, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s the same with a lot of these guys. How can anyone make a decision so quickly? In some cases, players have multiple offers and they have no idea what is going to happen to the roster once they sign.

Hossa signed a whopper of a contract a little over 2 hours after free agency started. Do you honestly think he talked to the Hawks about who would be moved from the Hawks roster if the cap drops after this upcoming season? No way; he picked a contender and still took a boatload of money, pure and simple. (And please don’t talk about his cap hit because he makes $7.9 mill per year for the next 7 years. Holland would have laughed at him for such a request as there wasn’t a chance that Holland would have paid him a salary higher than Zetterberg’s $7.75 mill for next season.)

by skatehack on Jul 5, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Kings GM revealed that three teams had received the rights to talk to Hossa prior to July 1. So he doesn’t apply.

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by James Mirtle on Jul 5, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that. But the Hawks wouldn’t have been one of those three teams with exclusive rights to negotiate with Hossa. Compensation was headed to Detroit if Hossa signed with one of those three teams and there was no way the Hawks would compensate the Wings.

Along the same lines, I read a quote from Dale Tallon indicating he heard at the draft that Hossa was interested in the Hawks. How did word get out? It had to be someone from Hossa’s camp (or a friend of a friend) as I can’t see someone from one of those three clubs blabbing throughout the league what they’re offering as it defeats the purpose.

by skatehack on Jul 5, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn’t it just be so simple that Lawton received permission to talk to Ohlund ahead of time but just hasn’t made that public (in the same way we don’t know the other two teams that talked to Hossa)?

by lordosis on Jul 6, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang

Shoulda kept reading below before posting.

by lordosis on Jul 6, 2009 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Under the old CBA, a lot of teams gave team’s permission to talk to pending UFA’s they weren’t interested in signing without any compensation. I remember that’s how Guerin became a Dallas Star… they were talking to him for a week. It used to be fairly common practice, but now some teams have managed to extract a value on some players’ rights.

It’s possible that Vancouver did the same thing Detroit did with Hossa, granting a few teams the right to negotiate with Ohlund before July 1. In fact, it could be that Tampa received this right as closure of a “future consideration” from a previous deal… was there anything attached to the Kraijcek/O’Brien swap? Who knows. You often never hear exactly what those future considerations end up being.

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by saskhab on Jul 5, 2009 5:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Makes sense. If Vancouver isn’t interested in resigning him, and Tampa approached and said “we’d like to talk to him, but we’re not giving you a pick or anything, we’d just like permission” it’s possible that the Canucks just said sure, whatever, we don’t want him anymore so go ahead and get a head start on contract talks if you are that interested.

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by Baroque on Jul 5, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s probably the most likely scenario here.

by Afino on Jul 5, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but that makes these questions worth asking in my mind … if that’s what happened, just let us know.

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by James Mirtle on Jul 5, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does smell fishy, but as I said earlier, most of these early signings are fishy. Kopecky had 3 minutes to decide if he was going to take the Hawks offer. It takes me at least that long to figure out what I want on my pizza.

by skatehack on Jul 5, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that. If that all happened, then it’s news. Not front of the sports page stuff, but interesting enough for us to hear about.

by Gould Old Days on Jul 6, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That smack you heard was the NHL’ s credibility taking another shot to the ’nads.

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by Smoboy41 on Jul 5, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There are those who would argue that the NHL doesn’t have any left at all.

Credibility, that is (I don’t know about ’nads).

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by Baroque on Jul 5, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably none of them, either, looking at the NBC deal.

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by Doogie2K on Jul 6, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm…that JP Barry guy again…does he handle ANY client without a bit of drama?

by hockeycountry on Jul 5, 2009 7:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Draft Weekend conversations

To me these questions are worth asking every year. 15 minutes, two hours — for a fan, the question is the same: How do major deals get worked out so quickly? How do free agents feel comfortable jumping so early? How do those pre-free agent period rumors of “Team X is poised to make a run at Player Y” end up proving, well, true if any contact regarding that player is illegal?

If we imagine everything is on the up-and-up, I’d suspect things like Draft weekend conversations and general “business of hockey” discussions between agents and GMs grease the wheels for quick deals in general. Doesn’t matter if an agent and team haven’t talked about a specific player — they may have talked about existing signed players (and that team’s general hockey needs) as well as talked to third parties who inevitably spill the beans.

Suppose:

  • TB tells people “we hope to bring in a Swedish mentor for Hedman”
  • Everyone knows Vancouver isn’t going to retain Ohlund
  • An agent is always out there polling teams’ general plans (e.g., “So … do you agree your D needs an upgrade? Why isn’t my LW client getting more ice time with you?”)
  • A team knows generally how an agent likes to work (“His big thing for his clients is always a free carwash” or “he doesn’t care about NMC if the money is right”)
  • Before July 1, TB already has an offer sketched out, and an agent already has an idea of who might come calling. In Ohlund’s case, people talked about Pronger, JayBo, and Kaberle as moving targets more than Ohlund.

When I’ve tried to figure out for myself how quick deals (granted, rarely this quick) go on every year without a fuss, these are the scenarios I’ve pictured. So an offer comes in at 12:01, an agent has already prepared his player for potential suitors, and when he sees numbers like that, he might even have definitive advice for his client: “I’d be stunned if you get a more lucrative or longer-term offer.”

That’s how I dream it up, anyway.

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by Dominik on Jul 5, 2009 8:44 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

creating a controversy

This is the worst thing about the internet – it serves as a Tony Gallagher echo chamber.

Why’s it so hard to believe that the ’ning could, you know, plan ahead? They knew they needed a top-4 D, saw the opportunity to get a Swedish mentor for their kid, and decided how much they would pay. Ohlund wanted a change, had a dollar figure in mind, and said “sure”. Why would there need to be any back-and-forth on the structure of the contract? Has a player ever said, “No, I need an extra $500k in the final year!”? Tampa drew up a contract with a fair dollar value, the “complex structure” undoubtedly took their capologist at least a half-hour in the last days of June, but so what?

I can imagine the negotiation, beginning at noon:
“6 years, 4 million per.”
“No, I’d like 7 years.”
“7 years, 3.5.”
“Plus a signing bonus.”
“Done.”

Just because sports journalists have a hard time dealing with the new era of contracts that have different pay in different years, doesn’t mean the teams/agents do.

by clammy on Jul 5, 2009 9:03 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, you’re right — I’m having a tough time wrapping my head around this stuff.

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by James Mirtle on Jul 5, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could understand something like this happening, but with or without the haggling over years/average amount, a physical contract would have to be drafted, sent to the player, read and signed, and returned to the new and the league.

I don’t know how long a typically NHL contract is, but I’d imagine its more than a one page listing of salary over each year and a line at the bottom that says “NTC: Yes No (Circle one)” No what what a GM verbally said the deal would be, it can’t hurt to sit down and actually read the thing to make sure you’re not getting screwed somehow.

Even with a pre-established contract, I’d think that the whole process would take more than 15 minutes.

by Hansmoleman on Jul 5, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, on that, a lot of times the deal isn’t actually 100% formal and official, I don’t think. It’s the deals where a media source is told “hey guys, we’re signing Joe Schmo to a awesome deal!” and then it gets reported and while the internet is buzzing, the official agreement is being finished. Its reporting of an agreement in principle, basically. Like Mike Nylander, only the player sticks with the principle.

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by IAmJoe on Jul 5, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Ohlund and his agent, not wanting to dink around with free agency, made a general announcement letting everyone know what he wanted. And, obviously, the Canucks told them that they weren’t going to give it to him. Then the Lightning get to draft Hedman, and immediately decide that it’s now in their best interest to snap up Ohlund ASAP and give him exactly – and/or more – than he wants at exactly noon.

So Ohlund takes it figuring he won’t get any better offer. Or, franklly, a better situation with being guaranteed top dog on D, helping out a Hedman who needs him, and living in the sub-tropics – team ownership notwithstanding. Done deal.

Then again, maybe Ohlund wants to play in Tampa for reasons that have nothing to do with money or even hockey. What or why, I couldn’t even begin to guess. But, stranger things have happened.

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by Cassie McClellan on Jul 5, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And Dany Heatley can’t decide if he likes a deal with 24-hours to think about it…and the money is already in the bank (sort of). I guess some guys are the “close your eyes, leap, and hope for the best” while others wait for perfection. It takes all types.

by hockeycountry on Jul 5, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heatly's been persnickity for years

He wants HIS situation. Documented in Atlanta after the crash — which was a great excuse to get out. Am I being mean for saying it was an excuse? Well, Heatly did ask for his outright release and not for a trade…

Now he’s pulled the same stunt in Ottawa.

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by John Fontana on Jul 6, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don’t think this will happen but i can dream. if anything comes out of this tampering charge (very doubtful), it could be very good compensation coming to the canucks, based on the enormity and ridiculousness of the contract. the award of scott stevens as compensation for the blues’ signing of brendan shanahan wasn’t fair value, but it was a reflection of the contract he was signed to. and it was a clear message that an example was being made of the blues (again, not that i think the league is in any inclined to make an example of TB, though i’m sure most of the media is more than willing).

personally, i think ron wilson’s comments about the sedins is a better case, though again i don’t foresee anything coming of it. i suspect that gillis hasn’t and won’t even pursue either case or make a complaint to the league because he knows he has a ways to go in terms of ingratiating himself to his fellow GMs.

by vadim sharifijanov on Jul 6, 2009 12:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wasn’t Scott Stevens awarded as compensation for the signing of Shanahan as a RFA, not for tampering? Wouldn’t be relevant here. Back then, compensation for RFA’s was generally determined between the teams, or failing that, an arbiter, and did not necessarily have to involve draft picks. When StL signed Stevens, they gave up 5 1st rounders, and then when they signed Stevens, they tried offering CuJo, Brind’Amour, and 2 1st’s, and an arbitrator sided with NJ, awarding Stevens.

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by IAmJoe on Jul 6, 2009 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like IAmJoe said, the Stevens/Shanahan move wasn’t tampering, so it’s irrelevant. But there was a Stevens/Blues tampering case that is relevant, from 1994, his first free agency after becoming a Devil, and punishment handed down in 1999 involved a $1.4 million fine, one first-rounder, and one option to swap first-rounders for New Jersey Lou, who was shocked, shocked! that such a thing could happen. He even requested five first-round picks.

When Stevens signed with the Blues (the first time), the compensation was automatically 5 1st-rounders per free agency rules at that time (Washington could have matched the offer, however). When St. Louis signed Shanahan the next summer, they had the opportunity to negotiate compensation but, failing that, it went to the arbitrator. When the Blues signed Stevens to an offer sheet in 1994 to try to get him back, the Devils matched and it was later learned that the Blues had negotiated with Stevens’ agent before the free agency window opened. (Again, shock!) The following summer, Stevens was lifting the Cup as a Devil.

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by Dominik on Jul 6, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops, correction: It was a $1.5 million fine, but $1.425m went to the Devils, $75k went to the league. And strictly-by-the-book-I-assure-you Lou even alleged the Blues tampered when signing Shanahan away.

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by Dominik on Jul 6, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my point wasn’t that stevens/shanahan was a precedent for tampa or toronto’s possible tampering. my point was that, in that case, it is my understanding that the award of stevens as compensation for shanahan, universally regarded by GMs, players, and the press as unfair, was influenced by the league. i’ve heard whispers over the years that owners wanted to teach st. louis a lesson. in effect, owners had ziegler’s ear and wanted to tell the blues to knock it off. st. louis was the first team to use the RFA offer sheet as a method of team-building and it broke an unspoken agreement among GMs and owners not to drive up salaries (st. louis had sent offer sheets to stevens, dave christian, and michel goulet before the shanahan case was settled).

long story short, my point was that, in that case, a message was sent to the offending team (st. louis) in the form of overcompensation. if the league were so inclined, this seems as good a time as any to send a message to another rogue organization that’s managed to alienate a lot of people in recent years.

by vadim sharifijanov on Jul 6, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m guessing Tampa threw it out there and Ohlund grabbed it with both hands as fast as he could before anyone from the Bolts had 30 second to come to their senses. I mean, it conceivable that Tampa knew who they wanted to target and had the offer ready and Ohlund, being a smart guy, realized there was no offer on the market that was going to come close for term or $, and said yes. Course, if he had just held out 15 more minutes, perhaps he could have got a 1% share in the team and residuals from the next six movies in the Saw franchise.

I can say categorically as a Canucks fan I am much more interested in a potential tampering allegation against the Maple Leafs for Ron Wilson’ deliciously boneheaded comments on the radio the day before July 1 — Link right here.

by DeafNotDumb on Jul 6, 2009 12:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he wanted to come to Tampa...

Ohlund is on record as to saying that he hoped that Tampa Bay was going to offer him a contract….its amazing what you can find out when you actually do things like listen to conference calls of the player and do some research instead of making blanket statements.

“Opening statement: I think it’s a great opportunity for me. I was ecstatic when they called and I felt from the beginning this is the place I wanted to be. It felt right and felt like something I wanted to be part of. Having said that I’m also grateful for the 11 years I played with Vancouver. It’s a great place to play. It’s a great organization. I made a lot of friends there, friends for life. But having said that I felt it was time for me to move on and I’m excited about the future.

On mentoring draft choice Victor Hedman: I’m real excited about joining him. I never met victor to be honest but I heard so many good things about him. I was sitting tonight with Daniel and Henrik Sedin and they’re from the same hometown and know him quite well. They had nothing but good things to say about him as a person and a hockey player."

It continues…

“How did GM Brian Lawton sell you on Tampa?: Brian spoke about there team and the city of Tampa and it’s a very talented hockey club, and I do feel like I can bring a lot to this hockey team with my experience. I’m 32 years old I feel like I have my best years ahead of me and to be able to help Victor Hedman out is an important part of my job. So there’s a lot of stuff I’m excited about.

Is Tampa Bay’s ownership situation troublesome?:: No, I spoke to Brian and I felt like this was a good situation for me. I felt this was the team that wanted me and wanted me to be a big part of the organization and that’s all I needed to hear."

http://blogs.tampabay.com/lightning/2009/07/mattias-ohlund-my-best-years-are-ahead-of-me.html

Lawton is also on record saying that he would be going after a good veteran defenseman in the offseason, definitely sending out the vibes through the media that a guy like Ohlund would be wanted here in Tampa Bay.

This doesn’t necessarily dismiss the idea that the Lightning might have tampered, just like every team in the league might be tampering, but it should definitely give evidence that both parties knew what they wanted and were ready to get to business as soon as possible. It is completely possible that they tampered and then were dumb enough not to try and cover it up, signing Ohlund 15 minutes into the signing period. But lets use some common sense people, is that something a guilty party would do? Its about as realistic as thinking that a terrorist is going to casually walk into a major government building dressed like Bin Laden.

by TBFANATIC on Jul 6, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s a great opportunity for me. I was ecstatic when they called and I felt from the beginning this is the place I wanted to be.

So… what constitutes from the beginning, then? From noon until 12:04?

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by James Mirtle on Jul 6, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think anybody would sign a contract and then say anything other than that it was their first choice and they were really hoping to end up there?

http://accordingtwomey.blogspot.com

by hawksfan21 on Jul 6, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

“I’m very happy to be here in, um, which part of Carolina is this again? North? The city of, er, what’s that say, Ralleek? – has always been one of my favourite towns to visit, and now I can rent an apartment here. My family’s looking forward to visiting a couple of times during the season, too. It’ll be, uh, neat.

“I’m really excited to be part of the team, they’re going to do good things, and if I can help them by contributing some goals here and there it’ll really help my case next summer. Maybe I can even earn them some draft picks at the trade deadline! This, ah, wasn’t my first choice, but I’m sure I’m going to enjoy it here much more than I would playing in Russia, I’ll tell you that!

“I guess I won’t have to go up against Brind’Amour on faceoffs anymore, either, heh-heh. I hear he’s really a bundle of laughs off the ice too…”

With apologies to Carolina, who I picked on at random… Edmonton’s just been done to death…

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by Back In Black on Jul 6, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noticeably Absent from this discussion

Even ONE Canucks fan.

Know why? Because nobody here gives a r@t’s @ss about Old Man Ohlund.

He’s been gone for months. The only mystery was to whom.

Here’s how it works: Stanley Cup gets awarded. Hockey writers take some holiday time. Come back to write about how the local team did at the draft. Then write about how local team did signing FAs. Then stare at the 15-inch hole they have to fill every day until training camp starts or their actual summer holiday begins. Hence: pointless stories about alleged tampering.

Because a headline of “Ohlund signs with Tampa” with a subheader “Canucks fans don’t give a sh!t” does not sell newspapers.

by garth the hoser on Jul 6, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This story has nothing to do with the Canucks.

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by James Mirtle on Jul 6, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt. But the Sedin “tampering” story does. You should hear all the Canucks fans
drooling over the compensation they think the club is due.

by yrmom on Jul 6, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I commented, not to lament Ohlund’s leaving, but to point out how the league’s rules and by-laws seem to be nothing more than guidelines. It’s almost like ’ this is how we want you to do things, but if that way feels better, fill your boots’. The NHL is getting almost as dysfunctional as MLB.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 6, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe all the criticism of James in this comment section...

This seems like a completely fair question. In fact, I would say that it is almost certain that tampering technically took place. 15 minutes? Most people take that long to order at a restaurant.

by OilW30 on Jul 6, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think James is taking a lot of bullets that deflected off of Tony Gallagher, when people say things like “pointess stories about tampering” or “sports journalists have a hard time dealing with the new era of contracts”.

Anyone who would criticize James for either tabloidism or ignorance of post-lockout numbers would not even be worth the time to respond to. Sweeping statements meant to call out Gallagher have sometimes been unfortunately phrased, but I doubt that any sentient being here meant to fault James for reporting what had been written by others.

by TD O'Dell on Jul 6, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs


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