Canucks make mistake with Raycroft
Vancouver Canucks General Manager Mike Gillis announced today that the Canucks have signed free agent goaltender Andrew Raycroft. In keeping with club policy terms were not disclosed. Raycroft, 29, spent the 2008.09 season as a member of the Colorado Avalanche where he posted a record of 12-16-0 with a 3.14 Goals-Against-Average and a .892 Save-Percentage.
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Apparently this is a one-year deal and for not a lot of cash, but I haven't yet heard if it's a one- or two-year contract. I imagine it's a one-way deal, and if so, it's a big mistake.
Despite the fact he'll play sparingly behind Roberto Luongo, Raycroft can still be a major liability. I've long said it's a huge mistake to underrate the backup position, as starters often get hurt. Just look at what the Devils managed without Martin Brodeur last season.
Two more key points: (a) there are plenty of solid unrestricted free agent netminders available and not a lot of spots for them to go, and (b) Raycroft has posted some of the worst totals among all NHL goaltenders ever since winning the Calder Trophy five years ago.
The worst goaltenders, by save percentage, postlockout (minimum 40 games played):
| Rk | Player | GP | W | L | T/OT | PTS% | GAA | SV% |
| 1 | Dan Cloutier | 46 | 16 | 21 | 4 | 0.439 | 3.65 | 0.875 |
| 2 | Jussi Markkanen | 59 | 20 | 21 | 7 | 0.49 | 3.13 | 0.882 |
| 3 | Andrew Raycroft | 152 | 59 | 69 | 16 | 0.465 | 3.27 | 0.888 |
| 4 | Robert Esche | 58 | 27 | 20 | 6 | 0.566 | 3.34 | 0.889 |
| 5 | John Grahame | 102 | 44 | 42 | 4 | 0.511 | 3.11 | 0.889 |
| 6 | Marc Denis | 104 | 39 | 48 | 3 | 0.45 | 3.28 | 0.890 |
| 7 | Jocelyn Thibault | 50 | 11 | 21 | 7 | 0.372 | 3.48 | 0.890 |
| 8 | Hannu Toivonen | 61 | 18 | 24 | 10 | 0.442 | 3.37 | 0.890 |
| 9 | Johan Holmqvist | 95 | 48 | 31 | 9 | 0.597 | 2.94 | 0.891 |
| 10 | Johan Hedberg | 109 | 48 | 35 | 9 | 0.571 | 3.22 | 0.892 |
Other than Hedberg, who's got a contract for another season in Atlanta, Raycroft's the only one of the players here still in the NHL. Kudos to his agent, but this is one signing that could really come back to bite Vancouver — especially if they plan on moving out Cory Schneider.
I don't get it.
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What was so awful about Curtis Sanford, anyways?
And James, you don’t have to look to Jersey about starters getting injured to understand the value of a backup… the Canucks didn’t do too hot when Luongo was on the mend in January.
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by saskhab on Jul 6, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanford’s fine so long has he’s healthy. Plus, there’s still guys like Niittymaki and MacDonald out there.
by Forsch31 on Jul 7, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it, either.
He’s playing for food…got compromising pictures of Gillis…Gillis got double dog dared…Lui said ‘82 games?! no sweat’… what, in the name of Ed Hatoum, is the reason???
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by Smoboy41 on Jul 6, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like someone still has a soft spot for the Nucks.
I don’t think last season’s numbers were that telling of how he played. That Avalanche team was about as bad as it gets. If he can re-focus, the kid has the skill to win 10-15 games this season.
by wlittle on Jul 6, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s been brutal for four straight seasons. Horrible in Toronto.
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by James Mirtle on Jul 6, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make that five (including the lockout). I suppose being a below average backup in the Finnish League should count as brutal by NHL standards.
by Malurous on Jul 6, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the kid has the skill to win 10-15 games this season
10-15 games of what? Canasta? He is the worst goaltender I’ve ever had the profound misfortune to watch.
The real question here is: exactly how much IS Raycroft paying the Canucks to play this year? I mean, I assume that’s the reason the financial terms are undisclosed. Right?
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by jrwendelman on Jul 6, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He certainly does
If he gets 30 starts, and the Canucks score six goals in at least 10 of those 30.
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by Back In Black on Jul 7, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Schneider is the backup goaltender, but will be playing in Manitoba.
Raycroft is probably only one year at the league minimum to sit on the bench. Good gig. Vancouver is a much more fun city than Denver.
by godot10 on Jul 6, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the Blues re-sign Toivonen to a 2 way contract?
Or, at least, that’s the panic-attack inducing rumor we’ve all heard.
Sad to see Hedberg on there. I’ve always felt that he was a more useful player than his stats allowed… and his GAA/SV% was actually pretty ok until he signed with the Thrashers.
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by hildymac on Jul 6, 2009 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. If Lui goes down for any length of time, Schneider’s the starter. Hope he can bring his AHL success up to the bigs.
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by Smoboy41 on Jul 6, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Schneider was indeed brought up when Luongo was injured but could not play better than Sanford and the team ended trading for another goalie and sent both Sanford and Schneider down to the AHL (yes, he did play very well in the AHL and won the goalie of the year award). As for Raycroft, I’m hoping that his signing is simply for depth so that Schneider has to battle for an NHL job.
by SJKel on Jul 6, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for Raycroft, I’m hoping that his signing is simply for depth so that Schneider has to battle for an NHL job
They don’t have television in Manitoba?
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by PPP on Jul 6, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is hilarious
I hope Raycroft has to play 10-15 games.
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by PPP on Jul 6, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn you, PPP. I’d hate you if you weren’t so right.
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by Smoboy41 on Jul 6, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10-15? Hell, I’d settle for 5. He’d let in enough goals and give us enough comic relief for 10-15 games worth.
by Afino on Jul 6, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey remember when the Leafs gave up Rask to get this guy?
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by furcifer on Jul 6, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gills apparently doesn’t use YouTube to research his signings…
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by eyebleaf on Jul 6, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, OK, I call piling on!
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by Smoboy41 on Jul 6, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pop Quiz
1) How many goalies started last season 9-1?
2) How many goalies beat the Wings twice, Pens once, Hawks once?
3) Who ended Cory Clouston’s 5 game win-streak in February?
4) Who holds the 92 year-old Leaf’s record for Wins in a season?
[Hint]: (1) Osgood only started the year 6-1-3; (2) Nabokov and Kiprusoff came close but were spared from facing so many tough opponents; (3) Cue the Toronto-centric rebuttal about how easy beating Ottawa was (4) Belfour shares his record with someone we all know.
by TD O'Dell on Jul 6, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously? Relying on the 37 win thing for the “92 year old Leaf’s [sic]” record?
1. It would have been tough for Turk Broda to compile 37 wins when he was playing a 45 game season;
2. Goalie “wins” are a hilariously over-rated and virtually useless statistic;
3. Points 2 and 3? Yawn;
4. Tell me again how good he must be for the Avalanche to be choosing Peter Budaj instead of him;
5. It’s easy to remember the “37 wins” statistic – coincidentally, “37” is also the number of goals Raycroft will surrender on shots that originate from BEHIND the icing line and in the corner.
TD: The guy is baaaaaaaaad. I’m just sayin’.
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by jrwendelman on Jul 6, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
You adequately refuted my 4th point, including my terrible use of the singular possessive.
You dismissed my 2nd and 3rd points as boring.
You forgot to discredit my first point.
My turn?
1. Turk Broda couldn’t get 37, but what about the last 50 years of 60 GP? The last 40 years of 70 GP? The last 30 years of 80 GP?
2. When comparing Raycrofts wins to Toskala’s wins or Palmateer’s wins or Potvin’s wins, I’d call them virtually useful.
3. Yawn = no response to a valid point about Quality of Competition, a stat cited by James as being important when evaluating last season’s performances by skaters.
4. Raycroft must be good because the Avs make the wrong personnel decisions on a monthly basis (see: every article on MHH).
5. I find the number “37” easy to remember due to Kevin Smith, but by making it the entire basis of your argument (points 1 & 5 being the only actual evidence you cite), I now understand that Leafs fans are as obsessed with it as Smith.
JR: I know the guy is baaaad. I’m just sayin’ that he’s not as bad as he is being portrayed here, if you look at last season on a game-by-game basis. The guy was forced to play the hardest opponents and many consecutive games. If Vigneault uses him as sparingly as possible, against weaker opponents, Raycroft could be 9-1 in January again. If he pulls a Granato and plays the guy 7 times in 15 days to close out February, Raycroft could drop back down to 12-16 again. As a backup to the league’s biggest workhorse, Raycroft is not a horrible choice, except that Gillis had so many other options out there, which makes it a very questionable choice.
by TD O'Dell on Jul 6, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JR: I know the guy is baaaad.
Thank God. I was starting to wonder if you were Raycroft’s agent or his mother.
As a backup to the league’s biggest workhorse, Raycroft is not a horrible choice
Yeah, he is a horrible choice. If Luongo gets injured is Raycroft going to stand in? My God, I hope so because the Leafs are probably still going to be terrible and I’ll need something to smile.
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by PPP on Jul 6, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2. When comparing Raycrofts wins to Toskala’s wins or Palmateer’s wins or Potvin’s wins, I’d call them virtually useful.
Yeah, comparing them to Palmateer and Potvin’s wins is valid considering only Raycroft had the benefit of shootouts. And Toskala has stunk as a Leafs goalie so I am not sure why you’d compared Raycroft to him.
4. Raycroft must be good because the Avs make the wrong personnel decisions on a monthly basis (see: every article on MHH).
Every dog has its day (see: senators winning the East two years ago)
1) How many goalies started last season 9-1?
Here are a few questions:
- how many goalies ended the season 3-15?
- how many goalies ended up with a 3.14GAA? (43rd best in the league)
- how many goalies ended up with a .892 Sv% (43rd best in the league)
Hint: He’s one wonky groin away from being Vancouver’s # 1!
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by PPP on Jul 6, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no defense for Raycroft’s second half meltdown, other than what I already pointed out: He was overworked and faced playoff teams on a nightly basis. I’d also add that the Avs, as a whole, went totally into the tank.
I assume that an injury-exemption for Luongo’s cap-hit would make it easy to call up Schneider, but regardless of wanting to give the youngster ice time, Gillis needed someone to hold the door for Sami Salo (at his age, you shouldn’t ask him to hop over the boards). Raycroft makes a fine doorman at minimum wage, though I can spot a half-dozen others who would have been just as qualified, if not more so.
Over at MHH, I have been accused of being agent / mother to both Arnason and Raycroft, when all I am trying to do is dispell widespread memes. Both players suck, but just as Chuck Norris doesn’t actually push the Earth down when working out, neither Raycroft nor Arnason should be universally accepted as the worst Avs of the year. I can’t find it now, but I read a FanPost here that compared a player’s contributions to his salary. A guy like Versteeg would have been at the top, but Arnason, and especially Raycroft, were nowhere near the bottom. If you take away Denver’s seemingly prudish anti-pot stance, and their assumption that Arnie and Rayzor are the league’s biggest potheads, maybe they would not agree so heartily with Leafs fans who rightfully held Raycroft to a higher standard. As an $800K FA who didn’t cost them Rask, Colorado enjoyed a decent season of backup goaltending.
So yeah, I readily grant that Raycroft’s Wins record is as illegitimate as Brodeur’s league-wide mark. Or the Wings’ record for Pts in a season. Or any number of records that were attained after Joe Malone scored 44 goals in a season. That doesn’t make Gretzky’s 92 less valuable.
And I readily admit that Raycroft got some of those wins sporting a bad Save %, but that isn’t held against Grant Fuhr or even last year’s Nabokov and Kiprusoff, who also beat Detroit by 6-5 margins. His .892 mark is horrible, but he did face tougher teams than Budaj.
So to answer your questions:
1. I doubt any goalie had a worse closing record, but Budaj closed out only 4-9-4, so I’d be willing to blame much of that on the Avs determination to become a lottery team.
2. Raycroft may have been as high as 41st in GAA (minimum 27 GP), so that puts him ahead of only Legace, Toskala, McDonald and Hedberg on the list of 45 goalies.
3. Raycroft might have been as high as 41st in SV% (minimum 27 GP), so that puts him ahead of only Toskala, Osgood, Hedberg and Legace on the list of 45 goalies. (Budaj’s .899 against weaker foes was nothing to write home about).
Ranking 41st out of 45 goalies in the two most reported categories proves that Raycroft’s overall season was bad, but I maintain that as a backup (i.e. not starting consecutive games), he wasn’t as bad as some. If you look closely at his game logs or some of Gabe’s numbers, he was worth every penny of his $800K salary.
by TD O'Dell on Jul 6, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was overworked and faced playoff teams on a nightly basis.
This is just not true at all. When he was piling up a 9-1 record, he was consistently playing teams who were struggling. Those same teams may have rebounded and made the playoffs, but they weren’t playing well when he faced them.
Raycroft never played in more than 4 games in a row, and the most work he had was 8 out of 10 games in January. If an NHL goaltender can’t play in 8 of 10 once a season then he has no business being in the NHL.
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 6, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve already discussed this ad nauseum on the other thread. If you wish to continue picking apart my argument that was originally intended to back up your own claim that Raycroft was better than people gave him credit for, go ahead. Here was your original passage from your blog:
He didn’t look too bad in Denver. I think he earned himself a backup job somewhere, and I don’t think it’s out of question for him to eventually be a #1 again. He wasn’t as bad as his numbers.
Now you keep throwing out completely false statements like:
When he was piling up a 9-1 record, he was consistently playing teams who were struggling
when I laid the game-by-game breakdown for you showing that he beat:
Philly when they were (0-2-1)
Dallas when they were (1-2-1) on one day’s rest and travel
Tampa Bay when they were (6-9-7)
Detroit when they were (20-5-4)
Tampa Bay when they were (7-15-8) on two day’s rest and travel
Phoenix when they were (17-15-5)
Nashville when they were (17-18-3)
Chicago when they were (22-8-7) on one day’s rest and travel
Pittsburgh when they were (20-16-4) on one day’s rest
The only opponent that qualifies as “struggling” is the secong victory over Tampa Bay, as the other eight wins came over teams within three games of .500 (including Philly and Dallas who both made it back to .500 by Halloween despite losing to lowly Raycroft). The so-called “struggling” Philly team managed to score 3 vs Lundqvist and Price, 10 vs Nabokov in B2B games, and 9 vs Brodeur in B2B games, yet only 2 vs Raycroft. Struggling, you say? Not on offense.
But you already know this, having read it in my comments from last week on the above link provided. You also know from there and from my above comment, that Raycroft played in 7 games in 15 days to close out February, yet you continue to throw out false statements like:
“Raycroft never played in more than 4 games in a row”
or the week-old gems,
“His Philly win was when they were 0-6”
to which I offered you the correction that they were actually (0-2-1), which prompted you to revise your false statement to
“Philly ended up starting something awful like 0-7-1”.
They actually started 4-3-3, but you have shown a pattern of not even bothering to look up the stats that I have provided for you, so saying that Raycroft never played more than 4 in a row is just the type of statement that I expect you to make.
I am sick of discussing anything with you. You obviously resent me for constantly correcting your factual errors and will take every opportunity to try to discredit me, facts be damned. I cannot compete with the constant reassurances you get from your MHH brethren, so you and your gang can be content with having driven me out of your own blog, Mile High Hockey, Puck Daddy and possibly this here haven. I don’t need to waste time defending myself to you anymore, especially on a point that you were the first to make.
I already knew that when I said “black” that you’d say “white”, but now I see that when you say “black” and I say “yeah, black” you turn around and say “white” anyway, just to spite me. You have a personal problem with me and you let it guide every response you make to my comments, so I should simply stop giving you the opportunity. I will continue to read James’ articles, but after years of frequenting your own blog, I can now confidently unbookmark it. It’s a shame because your new contributor, the doctor, is a great writer who displays far less pettiness.
After all, he was the one who originally disagreed with you that Raycroft was good, yet you were the one who decided to respond negatively to every comment I made defending your position. As I once stated on a fanpost about cities’ populations – you have never met a TD O’Dell comment that you didn’t feel was your duty to disparage. I’ll keep them to a minimum from now on, just for you, Mary Mary Quite Contrary.
by TD O'Dell on Jul 7, 2009 4:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did look it up, Raycroft never played in more than 4 in a row this season. He did it twice, once in February, and once in January. He started 8 of 10 in January, just like I said.
Philly started 0-3-3 (which is pretty close to my recollection of 0-6) and qualifies as struggling in my book.
Dallas started the season 8-10-4 in their first 2 months. That qualifies as struggling.
Tampa’s early season struggles are well stated. For god’s sake Barry Melrose was their head coach.
Detroit was a quality win
Phoenix was as well (which I admitted)
Nashville was 2-8-1 in their previous 12 before Raycroft beat them. They were struggling.
Chicago was a quality win
Pittsburgh was 2-7 in the 9 games before Raycroft beat them. They were struggling.
So in Raycroft’s 9 wins he beat 3 quality teams (Chi, Phoenix, and Detroit) and compiled 6 against teams who were struggling.
I do think Raycroft was better than people gave him credit for, but he certainly wasn’t 9-1 because he was beating good teams and then became overworked.
I’m not specifically picking on you, so please stop with the persecution complex, but I think you take numbers out of context and manipulate them to support your point of view, instead of getting your point of view from the numbers.
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 7, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not specifically picking on you, so please stop with the persecution complex, but I think sometimes you take numbers out of context and manipulate them to support your point of view, instead of getting your point of view from the numbers.
I didn’t mean ti imply all the time. Only occasionally
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 7, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I will whole-heatedly admit that sometimes I say things off of memory that I should really look up. Part of that has to do with having a job and not actually having time to look up hockey stats all day.
When I say something inaccurate I have no problem with you, or anyone else, correcting me. But when it happens I certainly will go and look it up and make sure. Usually my memory is fairly accurate and my mistake is minor (such as saying Philly started 0-6, when they started 0-3-3. Its still 0 wins and 6 losses, and just another example of why we should junk the charity point.)
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 7, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about one thing
Arnason and Raycroft weren’t the worst avs last year, although they were certainly close. Tucker was the worst. At least going on a performance/ salary rating.
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by TheRed on Jul 6, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right about one thing
Well thanks for that. Imagine my surprise to see one of the MHH faithful offer even a token agreement with anything I have to say.
the doctor once asked me why I don’t rejoin your community, but frankly, I am more than satisfied reading DDC’s articles. Having to defend every opinion that deviates from the Wings-like groupspeak on MHH does not appeal to me. I can spend a half-hour researching my argument and providing data, but a single off-hand remark that is patently false can be uttered by Jibbles, and you guys all “Rec” his borderline funny line and ignore all my numbers.
Your signature line of “Get rid of the loser point”, if uttered by me, would surely be enough to change Jibbles’ opinion on the matter, but FWIW, I always liked your two signatures. I’ll be silently rooting for the Avs from here on out, so you keep up the good work. Even though I said about a dozen things about Raycroft, and you only found one that I was right about, I never got the feeling that you were merely arguing with me to argue. Not here or even on MHH.
by TD O'Dell on Jul 7, 2009 5:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has nothing to do with you
I’m sensitive to this particular argument, the one you made, because early in the season there were many Avs fans who were stupidly saying Raycroft should start over Budaj, and pointed to his 9-1 record as proof.
I do think Raycroft played better than his numbers showed, and with a competent defense he would have been over .900 save %, and a GAA under 2.
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 7, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t meant as token agreement, just agreement, as I’m just not sure about your other arguments. You do make some compelling cases though. For the record, I never thought Budaj OR Raycroft were all that good, but have wanted all of our goalies, and our team in general, to succeed. Unfortunately, with last years team, success just wasn’t happening, even if Roy would have been in nets.
Its tough to do with that team, but now that I think about it, Clark might have actually been worse than Tucker. However, it would be a colossal waste of anyone’s time to try and prove this one way or the other. I feel almost the same about the Raycroft thing. We took a chance, only paid 800k, he sucked, we moved on. At least it wasn’t like we were paying Theo like 6 times that to sit on the bench again. That might have been worth proving how bad he was, only it was almost too easy as only one person in the entire hockey world that I know of still defends him. (I’m looking at Adrian Dater here)
As far as MHH goes, I rather enjoy my time there; sorry you don’t, but thanks for the compliments. Reminds me I need to change my sig now that that horrid season is over. The doctor and another guy (don’t remember) just had a very good debate on the value of the Smyth trade and whether or not Priessing was worth a crap. Typically I find that if someone researches an issue and puts forth a rational argument, people will listen. I guess our impressions differ. One of the reasons I was drawn to the Avs blogging community and MHH in particular was my need to hear and discuss something other than the pablum the Avs spoon out to the fans. Despite my disagreements with some members, I still value reading the comments, unlike a lot of other places. Anyway, its just the intertubes, and I try not to take anything said too seriously.
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by TheRed on Jul 7, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raycroft is tied for the Leafs’ record for wins in a season.
Belfour also won 37 with the 2002-2003 Leafs. Except Belfour did it without the assistance of shoot-outs and in 62 starts, ten fewer than Raycroft required to hit the same plateau.
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by mf37 on Jul 6, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Belfour’s Leafs made the playoffs.
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by furcifer on Jul 6, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can only give one of you two the point.
Either Raycroft benefitted from the shootout (37 Wins was good enough for the record) or he suffered from it (37 Wins wasn’t good enough for the playoffs).
You can’t both combine to make the point stronger.
by TD O'Dell on Jul 6, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not? He benefitted from the shootout (as well as playing so many games) as far as getting the record goes. He didn’t directly suffer from it in any way – sure, you need more wins now to make the playoffs, but it’s the same for everyone. Therefore, 37 wins isn’t such an awesome accomplishment IF they are pretty much all that the team gets (because the goalie plays every game).
Regarding your other points, I don’t think anyone is trying to say that Raycroft can’t win any games. Heck, ECHL goalies have come up during emergencies and won games. He’s just very streaky and if you are, your best games should go better than pretty good and your worst games should go better than hideous. Because that creates a quite scary average.
by Malurous on Jul 7, 2009 5:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 37 wins were so impressive
That a few months later the Leafs traded away the 13th overall pick, a second rounder, and took on $3M worth of useless contract to get another goalie. That’s not what you pay for a backup, even if you’re JFJ.
He’s a better goalie than me, but he’s a bad goalie at the NHL level, plain and simple. The Canucks might as well have brought back Cloutier.
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by Back In Black on Jul 7, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it’s not like Luongo gets hurt a lot. On second thought, he does, so this is a bad move.
by skatehack on Jul 6, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We still have a healthy Luongo at this point. And Schneider for now.
29 other teams don’t.
Swing your purses lightly, gals.
by Sneps-ish on Jul 6, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We still have a healthy Luongo at this point
Fixed.
And Schneider for now
He was so great last year that the Canucks traded for LaBarbera.
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by PPP on Jul 6, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are so very clever, PPP.
I mean, we all know that a kid like Schneider (who’s been the top goalie in the AHL two years running after a successful college career and is rated one of the best goaltending prospects in the NHL) should be written off because he didn’t sparkle in spot-duty during his first call-up to the NHL.
by Robert J on Jul 7, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what?
LaBarbera looked great in Bugle Boy Jeans, who were we to resist his earthly charms
last season?
Your present goaltending debate rages between Martin Gerber
and somethng called ‘Vesa Toskala’, which I believe is some sort
of Eastern European salad.
Congrats on Beauchemin though btw. Best D available.
by Sneps-ish on Jul 6, 2009 8:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, Gerber is out of the running. It’s currently between a thricely operated on groin of Vesa Toskala, the draft bust, and the possibility of some Swede that had a great year.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Jul 6, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure why this choice was made.
Maybe you got the backup Luongo wanted?
Lets go Islanders...
by TheMetalChick on Jul 6, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well DiPietro wasn’t available.
A Nation of Masochists TRUCULENCE!! If you value your life, don't cross our blue line.
by furcifer on Jul 6, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better hope Luongo is wrapped in cotton batting when he isn’t playing, ‘Nucks fans. Or else you’ll get a full dose of the one, the only… RAYCRAP!!
Being a Leaf fan here requires one to be sufficiently lubricated... and truculent!
by stucky on Jul 6, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never been a fan of McElhinney in Calgary, and I have to say I’m glad that the Canucks now have a worse backup. Looking forward to seeing what he can’t do when Luongo sprains something flopping to the ice when someone gets too close and misses a month.
by Resolute on Jul 6, 2009 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Baffling
I can only assume Gillis didn’t want to spend any more of his summer vacation trying to sign a backup for the league minimum.
Raycroft is so obviously not an NHL-calibre goalie after his flameouts with the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions, the team with a monopoly in the Centre of the Universe, and the city that will eventually give back the team it stole from Quebec City, that you have to wonder whether Gillis has been hitting the glue.
by garth the hoser on Jul 7, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Might I point you all(or at least those who haven’t been there)to Tom Benjamin’s take on this move. He, as they say, nails it.
by yrmom on Jul 7, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I see now you’re all over that thread James. oops.
by yrmom on Jul 7, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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