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'Don't you know who I am?'

This is becoming the Kane and Coyotes blog all of a sudden. Apologies on that. I do have a pile of other things to write about that I'll hopefully get into in the near future, and I appreciate the emails with ideas on that front.

There was a nice post by Sam over at Second City Hockey that I think taps into what I've been mulling over since this Patrick Kane business took place. He called it You've Worked Too Hard For Your Illusions Just To Throw Them All Away, which sounds a bit like an Oasis song but is fitting for the subject matter:

Obviously, the fallout from the Kane story is fascinating. However, I think it could be useful in shattering some stories and myths we tell ourselves.

The big one is "hockey players are different." No, they're not. Sorry. You know why you don't see as many athlete/criminal stories about hockey? Because there's less attention. There's less people following them to clubs, recognizing them, flashing pictures on their phones. The gossip pages tend to stay away, because no one cares about hockey players. But to suggest these guys are a different breed, that's asinine. They're rich, young kids, and those can add up to be bad combinations. They do stupid things. ... These guys are not angels, they're just people. People with freakish DNA and more money than you or I. Sure, maybe there are less of these stories in the NHL than other sports, but it's percentage points, not a wide chasm.

I've certainly been around the game long enough to know hockey players aren't angels. Heck, a lot of the guys back home who played were the last fellows on earth you'd want to date your daughter. But I'm as guilty as anyone of telling myself stories about some of the players in the NHL, guys who overcame adversity, or who give tours of their childhood bedrooms on Hockey Night in Canada or help raise funds to upgrade a rink in their hometown.

Star-divide

We don't know and we never will what exactly happened with the cab driver. Lawyers are involved, it's hit the front page of papers and mum's likely to be the word. We don't even know if he uttered the odious phrase the cabbie said he did as the alleged beating occurred.

All I know for sure is that, no, I don't know who you are, Patrick Kane — and I feel a bit silly having thought I did after watching, in person and on television, you quiet the skeptics in junior hockey and turn into one of the NHL's brightest young stars.

With all that success and fame and wealth, at 20 years old, it's just too plain sad that what appears to have happened did. Here's hoping it was all a life lesson — whatever his role and even without punishment — and that the "myths we tell ourselves" aren't the only reason kids are still cheering their heroes on.

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Well done, James. This is certainly one of the most cherished myths that hockey fans tell themselves, although it is far from the only one. It is also one which the public has been constantly fed by the hockey media for many years, as we all know, but it is fed to an extremely willing audience. It may be that the hockey media is simply reflecting what they felt as hockey fans themselves or they are reflecting the public perception (the chicken/egg deal), but either way it is a powerfully felt mutual feeling at this point.

Love the Oasis bit, too LOL.

by Gerald on Aug 12, 2009 7:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You’ve Worked Too Hard For Your Illusions Just To Throw Them All Away

Is a line from the Guns ‘n’ Roses song “Locomotive.” You can pick which obnoxious front man you prefer.

by Fehr and Balanced on Aug 12, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just about to add – the first thing I thought was GNR, not Oasis.

by Afino on Aug 12, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I expect that you might be prepared for some pushback on this, as well.

by Gerald on Aug 12, 2009 7:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So be it. I’m not saying I felt this way about every player — just for some reason thought I had a handle on some of the guys, especially ones you meet in person and talk to for a few minutes.

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by James Mirtle on Aug 12, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and don’t apologize James.

Kane and the Coyotes (hey, good band name!) are pretty much everything going on in the NHL right now.

by Afino on Aug 12, 2009 7:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seconded. It isn’t your fault that this is the material you are provided in the off-season. I appreciate the good coverage of whatever the sport hands you.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Aug 12, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1) Anyone who thought NHL/hockey players were angels were deluding themselves. That said, and we can ONLY go by our own observations, they are BY FAR much more approachable from a fan’s stand point than professional athletes of the other 3 major team sports or even major college sports here in the states.

2) They are human and prone to the same foibles we all can succumb to. BTW, this does NOT alleviate our changed perception of Kane. We have no recollection of beating up old guys as a kid as fun, and don’t recall knowing anyone who did. It shows a serious character flaw. Agree that we will now probably not hear much of this story now that the lawyers are involved. Once that cabbie’s story got out the sharks(lawyers) were circling and knew a nice pay day was possible. So in the end the cabbie hit the lottery and might not need to shuttle around drunks too much longer. ; )

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sometimes I find it's better to be somebody else

by Fauxrumors on Aug 12, 2009 7:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone who’s ever read the Junior Hockey Bible or been connected to any hockey players close enough to hear some of the ‘war’ stories knows that they are definitely not people you want dating your daughter/sister/female acquaintance.

They do a much better job of being presentable in public (usually) and on camera than most other athletes though.

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by PPP on Aug 12, 2009 8:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But I’m as guilty as anyone of telling myself stories about some of the players in the NHL, guys who overcame adversity, or who give tours of their childhood bedrooms on Hockey Night in Canada or help raise funds to upgrade a rink in their hometown.

I don’t think that’s criminal, so you shouldn’t be guilty. Hockey players are people; there’s good ones, there’s bad ones and there’s a lot in between.

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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 12, 2009 8:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not that I disagree with the statement that hockey players are just like every other athlete, but this has been on my mind so maybe I should throw it out there: What if hockey players are just a bit different because they don’t get all that attention? They seem to be caught in some major league limbo; popular enough to be recognized and have some fame, obscure enough (in most places) to stay humble (for the most part).

by Mobsky on Aug 12, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

'Don't you know who I am?'

I’m the Juggernaut, B*#&#!

Come on, some of you were thinking it, amirite?

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by TheTick on Aug 12, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Given the choking accusation and his last name, I was honestly expecting him to be accused of controlling fire and start wearing a black and red mask to games.

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by Nael M. on Aug 12, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’ve all been lying to ourselves about the character of hockey players. This type of thing maybe shakes us out of the delusion, but there’s something even bigger we’ve been pretending these guys are incapable of doing: steroids.

I always quieted the voice in me that said hockey players are less fallible than those in other sports , but it’s going to come out in time. If this opened our eyes, what will THAT do?

by emailmike1994 on Aug 12, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As far as I’m concerned, I came to terms with athletes and steroids a long time ago. Besides, another few years and anyone with the money and the motivation won’t be using designer steroids or hormones anymore, but going with genetic enhancement of some type. Either the athletes themselves as adults, or the parents when they are just kids and instead of seeing a child, they look at a talented kid and see dollar signs and a meal ticket when he grows up.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Aug 12, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the drive isn’t there, though, all the genetics and whatnot won’t mean a thing. Look at all the teenage tennis prodigies who’ve walked away. Read up on exQB Todd Marinovich, that guy went completely off the rails. I understand what you’re saying, but I’m still holding out hope.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Aug 12, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope that hockey players won’t use performance enhancing drugs?

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Aug 12, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call me naive, but yeah.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Aug 12, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah. I’m wondering if there won’t be more of a societal change where, instead of policing performance enhancers in sport to the point that over the counter decongestants are worrisome because they might cause a positive test, and there is debate about whether or not using a device that simulated training at high altitudes is alright when actually going somewhere with a high altitude is fine, enhancement will spread through the society in general so there is less of a blanket ban on anything that seems somehow “unnatural.”

College students have been using caffeine as an aid to focus for generations – now they are going to the pharmacy for medications that will help them study more effectively, and this isn’t really seen as cheating. How is it bad for a student not to take advantage of all means available to improve their performance, whether it is using different books, or finding especially good websites with video tutorials, or eating well, or getting plenty of sleep, or using the right medications? In the same way, I think it will be seen that perfomance enhancers, when taken properly, will fall under the same category in the opinion of society as eating the proper diet, using the appropriate training methods, having eye surgery to improve eyesight and eliminate the need for contacts, or taking a shot for pain so an athlete can concentrate on playing. It will all fall under a broad umbrella of “methods, techniques, and substances to make a person better at their chosen profession.”

If the same performance enhancing “things” are equally available to all, then I don’t think of it as cheating.

I think that there is a general movement in society toward acceptance of performance enhancers – this is bad in that it leads to the prevalence of the quick fix in a pill for every problem, a resorting to a drug for depression instead of therapy (which might be more effective even though it takes longer), and instead of trying to interact with an energetic child you give them a pill to “help them focus,” but it is good in that there are options other than just enduring something like depression or pain or high blood pressure or whatever. What worries me more is the long-term effects of using any drug, and the adverse side effects that sometimes only appear years later.

It’s hard for me to really get upset with an athlete for using a drug that will make them better at their job when if I were offered such a substance, I’d probably take it. I try to gain experience and get extra training to make me better, both for the benefit of my current employer and to increase my skillset for when I change jobs, and if I were offered a substance that would work with what I was already doing and make me more effective (assuming no known side effects of course), I’d probably take it without a qualm and not think of it as cheating at all.

I understand that there are a few different issues with competitive sports, but wonder if those make any real sense. To me an athlete is no different than anyone else who is trying to do the best job at his profession that he can, and keep his job for as long as possible. I have a hard time blaming someone for using any means he can find that makes him better. Yes, using performance enhancing drugs is against the rules – but maybe it shouldn’t be.

It’s a pretty gray and fuzzy – therefore interesting – concept to think about.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Aug 13, 2009 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Apologize for the length. I had no idea I rambled that long when all I could see was the tiny text winddow. :)

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Aug 13, 2009 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This and many other examples like it are why I think testing for performance enhancing drugs in sports is essential. I’d like to see the athletes I admire live long enough to see their kids grow up – or at least long enough to retire.

Like it or not, these guys also serve as role models (at least from an athletic standpoint) for kids to emulate. I don’t want the lesson to be that in order to be your absolute best, drugs are an essential ingredient.

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by Back In Black on Aug 13, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand, but I just don’t know if it is possible to really stop it with testing. Remember, it wasn’t testing that revealed some of the designer steroids – it was a syringe from an informant. Without that, no one would have known because they wouldn’t have been able to test for something they didn’t even know existed. Testing is always at least a step behind those designing new drugs, enforcement is always chasing.

That’s why genetic enhancement is the next thing. If, for example, the only way that an alteration could be detected in in a muscle biopsy, because there are no traces in blood or urine that would be diagnostic, well, no one would agree to that. And that assumes that even if a difference could be detected, it wouldn’t be subtle enough to fall within the normal range of values for human beings as a population, instead of being so far out of range that it could only occur via artificial means.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Aug 13, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post -- thought provoking.

Makes me want to read more.

Brought it up with my hockey buddies today and I believe the discussion is still going on.

by William Daniels on Aug 13, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat Kane = Oasis

They’re both annoying as hell and won’t go away

by SDWingNut on Aug 12, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And both fight when drunk.

by Afino on Aug 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I work in pro sports and learned this lesson a long time ago – but I learned it the hard way because I got my first industry job after being a fan.

The disillusionment is real and can be painful. One of the guys I idolized turned out to be a real slimeball and at one point I was actually part of a PR team that had to hush up a rather shameful adulterous affair (one out of dozens, it turns out). We did our job well and the guy continues to be held up as a model of athletic good behavior.

But for every Patrick Kane and there ARE some genuinely good people in pro sports. Shane Doan comes to mind, as does Jarome Iginla and probably a dozen other guys off the cuff that are precisely as awesome as they appear in the media. Occasionally you’ll still get suckered by a guy who sells you a bill of goods but that happens to everyone at some point.

You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.

by zyllyx on Aug 12, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to remain a little naive.

To be honest, I don’t want to know everything about everything. I’d like to believe there are some famous folks were are good and nice respectful of others. I still want some heroes. And I’m old enough to know better.

by hockeycountry on Aug 12, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I came to terms a long time ago with the idea that a lot of players are jerks. It came from the fact that almost all of the athletes in high school that I interacted with were jerks, and the realization that that’s the population that professional athletes are drawn from. Hence, I’d probably think that most of them are jerks if I ever got to know them. I love the sports in and of themselves, not for the people playing them.

This knowledge came in very handy when I found out what a complete self-centered prima donna one of my favorites musicians is. I still love his music. Everyone should buy Steve Hackett albums, just don’t try to talk to him.

by J. Michael Neal on Aug 12, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now THAT is a relatively obscure reference! Must be a Genesis fan.

by Gerald on Aug 12, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And not that Phil Collins, radio friendly crap, either.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Aug 12, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I like pretty much everything Genesis did starting with Selling England by the Pound. Before that, they were kind of boring.

by J. Michael Neal on Aug 12, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phil Collins sucks rather substantial quantities of ass.

Peter Gabriel, on the other hand, possesses one of the finest voices of his generation. I have all the time in the world for him.

by Gerald on Aug 13, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta disagree on both counts. I like Collins’ work a lot. Then again, I’m much more positive on a lot of pop music than most prog rock fans I know.

I like Peter Gabriel a lot, but it’s not because he’s a great singer. He’s a great songwriter. Add to that that he assembles a fantastic band behind him (Tony Levin is the best bassist in the business), and you get great music.When they were both in Genesis, I thought Collins was the better vocalist.

by J. Michael Neal on Aug 13, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew the possibility of agreeing with you was too improbable to last.

BTW, my comment on his voice was in no way meant as a slight on Gabriel’s songwriting, which is also first class IMO.

by Gerald on Aug 13, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of this disagreement, if you’re unfamiliar with Steve Hackett’s solo stuff, I highly recommend it. He’s certainly had the most eclectic career of anyone who was ever a part of Genesis. He’s got some blues albums which I think are good but not great. I love his rock stuff, but the best may be the classical style music he does on a nylon guitar. He also has a series of live albums that I like more than the studio stuff, which is saying something.

by J. Michael Neal on Aug 14, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is it, when Gerald and J. Michael get going, I get an image of Statler and Waldorf in my head?

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Aug 14, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been called worse.

by J. Michael Neal on Aug 14, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank goodness. I was afraid that I was the only one!

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Aug 15, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn. Here I was, thinking I was impressing the ladies.

by J. Michael Neal on Aug 15, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by James Mirtle on Aug 16, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This reminds me that I still need to order Season 3.

by J. Michael Neal on Aug 16, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it goes to a larger point.

Of how hard it is to know anyone, especially someone who is a public figure. Athletes are no different than politicians, actors, writers, singers, or anyone else who is prominent in the public eye. No one is perfect, some of them are complete jerkoffs, some of them are kind, generous, warm-hearted people, but most are fairly normal.

Even in day to day life, it’s difficult to say that you really know someone from talking to them once in a while, even if you see them at work every day. We like to think that we know someone, but we really don’t – even if their life is largely lived in public view.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Aug 12, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the nagging question

james, i know it’s an ugly subject and one many would rather not speak about, but conspicuously absent in your touching reflection is the nagging question of race. i’m not pointing any fingers (at you, or anyone else), but, as the article you quoted plainly states (in a section you neither quoted nor addressed), the fact that kane (like most NHLers) is white has something to do with the sense of surprise, and even betrayal, that many are feeling right now.

there are other factors. canadians hold hockey players on a pedestal for a number of reasons, one of which is that many of us grew up playing organized hockey and maybe know guys who made it far enough to have played with guys who made it to the NHL; and the fact that most NHLers are canadian, as opposed to american, helps too. and, as others have stated above, the far lesser scrutiny on pro hockey players than other pro athletes plays a role in a number of ways. but canada is a predominantly white country, and that hockey is a predominantly white sport. surely that, on some level, has something to do with the myth of the good hockey player vs. the big bad basketball/ football player, whether or not any of us choose to acknowledge it.

by vadim sharifijanov on Aug 12, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Vadim, long time no hear from.

Speaking for myself, I’m surprised because Kane has become the face of USA Hockey and someone I’ve seen interviewed a hundred times. My friends have interviewed both he and his parents, he’s from nearby Buffalo, he was a star for a nearby junior team, etc., etc. He’s not Sidney Crosby, but when you do this for a living and see the stars around so often, he’s in the same ballpark.

That he is 5-foot-9 and 165 pounds and has a smile like a school girl only fits with the image.

The race question, given where I’m from (Kamloops) and how that shapes my perspective, is not relevant. Maybe it is for Sam, who’s in Chicago, follows multiple sports and athletes (of all colours) and is immersed in a lot of those issues. I rarely cover other sports, but talking to MLB or CFL athletes strikes me as pretty much the same as talking to hockey players. People like Pinball Clemons and Chris Bosh are idols to many, many people in this city.

I think many Canadians simply believe NHLers are better than other athletes because they are, for the most part, Canadian, and they feel some sort of ownership over the game. I do not think it is a black/white issue in this country.

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by James Mirtle on Aug 12, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My theory was always that hockey players committed less crimes was due to the fact that, more so than other sports, hockey is not accessible to poor people. Hockey takes lots of money. Being raised in an environment with money, statistically speaking (there are lots of exceptions), means a better house, better educational opportunities, better parenting, better financial management, and less chance of getting into crime.

Socio-economic status greatly effects crime rates, so it shouldn’t be a shock that a sport that requires you to be in a higher bracket means that you are less likely to get into trouble.

I agree that race isn’t an issue in how Canadians perceive their athletes being better than other sports – HOWEVER, it could easily change the way the police and legal systems see them.

by DarrenM on Aug 12, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Canadian perspective is also shaped in part by the fact that these players come from among us. I come from the working-class but I can name at least two guys from my high school who were drafted (although didn’t go too far). I really can’t identify the same way with professionals in any other endeavor. I bet most Canadian fans can do the “seven degrees of separation” from the NHL and not need to go all seven connections.

by hockeycountry on Aug 12, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the response james. while some pro athletes may (allegedly) be jerks, i’m glad that many sportswriters like yourself and eric d. are so thoughtful and generous to your readers. maybe it’s where i grew up (vancouver) where race relations are probably more vexted than, i imagine, in kamloops, but i still have a hard time believing that race has no relevance in an issue such as this (again, speaking generally, and not about you in particular; your comments on this topic ring very genuine and convincing to me).

in a lot of ways, you’re correct that it’s on the basis of nationality that many of us hold NHLers in higher esteem as good samaritans than, say, basketball or football players. but when i hear someone like don cherry talk about the “hip-hop influence” on today’s athletes and how “hockey players are the best athletes in the world” because they are mostly not “thugs” like basketball players, or when nick kypreos and others deride gary bettman for being “a new york lawyer,” i find it very difficult not to detect a racial pretext, even if nationality, or even just the nebulous suggestion that “they” are not like “us,” is also front and center in these comments. on the other hand, jarome iginla is a favourite of this kind of commentator, and avery is a villain, so it’s clearly not just a black and white (or jewish and anglo/saxon) thing. but the ambiguous grey area in comments such as these has often troubled me.

by vadim sharifijanov on Aug 12, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

xenophobia perhaps rather than racism?
i find it very difficult not to detect a racial pretext, even if nationality, or even just the nebulous suggestion that "they" are not like "us,"

Noun 1. xenophobia – a fear of foreigners or strangers

by hockeycountry on Aug 12, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To a point. I think most Canadian fans are fearful of losing control of ‘our’ game, although one could argue that that has already happened.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Aug 12, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps a parallel with the feeling of many in the US regarding basketball? It was a game that “we” invented, and then in international competitions “our” stars wound up getting trounced by players from Argentina and such. I mean, how DARE they?!? Don’t they know who plays the best basketball in the world?!?

I actually think it is wonderful that a sport such as basketball has been accepted and enjoyed by so many to the point that it is played, and played well, all over the world and some of the best NBA players come from other nations. Same with the wide range of nationalities of players in baseball, and same way in hockey.

I understand the fear of losing something that one thinks of as uniquely theirs, but the bright side is that if hockey was a horrible sport, no one else would be interested in watching it or playing it – the only way to truly keep control of hockey and keep it exclusively Canadian would have it be a boring, crappy game that no one else is attractive enough to want, and there isn’t much point in keeping something to yourself if the only reason is no one else wants it.

Maybe Canadians are more protective of hockey not just because they see it as their sport, but also because they are a smaller country (in population) and feel as though they are somehow being swamped by other people?

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Aug 13, 2009 5:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a game that "we" invented

James Naismith was Canadian. ;)

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by Doogie2K on Aug 13, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, good. I can blame Canada for inventing one of the most boring ways to spend two hours.

by J. Michael Neal on Aug 13, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean three hours. All those damn timeouts…

Now, you can follow my uninteresting life on Twitter.

by Nael M. on Aug 13, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may notice that we have consciously ignored it for most of its history. We knew better even then.

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by Doogie2K on Aug 13, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mythology is often factually wrong. :)

(And I can’t stand it, either – but it was the first example that came to mind.)

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Aug 13, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, just having fun with you. :)

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by Doogie2K on Aug 13, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For even more fun, discuss the mythology of the Alamo with a proud Texan. :)

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria

by Baroque on Aug 15, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, come on. Edith Hamilton is one of the great historians of modern times!

by J. Michael Neal on Aug 13, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think NHL players are angels but in my experience with professional athletes the NHL players have been easier to deal with than other sports. I worked in the service industry in Las Vegas for a year, and I still have family in the area. I was working at one of the most popular nightclubs on the strip when the NBA all-star game went down. It was a nightmare. No, not all (or even most) of the problems were created by the NBA players in town, but definitely some were. By contrast, the NHL awards ceremony was in Vegas and there wasn’t the same sort of anti-social behavior going on. Does that reflect on the fans or the players? Probably both. I’ve had to deal with athletes from every major US sport, MMA, and NASCAR. By far the most pleasant people to deal with were the NHL and MMA people. It’s a small sample size, but I personally don’t think it’s meaningless.

by Fehr and Balanced on Aug 13, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs


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Penguins scouting heavily Maple Leafs’ Alexei Ponikarovsky
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Georges Laraque’s demise as an NHL enforcer

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