Quantifying Heatley's discontent
by James Mirtle on Aug 22, 2009 4:07 PM CDT
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"When I signed in Ottawa two years ago, I felt to be an integral part of the team. I think over the last two years and more recently, over the past year, I feel that my role was diminished; and especially last season, it was diminished a lot more."
Heatley spoke. We listened. And in reading into what he's given us to go on, it seems there are some hurt feelings over two minutes in lost ice time under new coach Cory Clouston.
Here's a look at Heatley's minutes per game last season, with a yellow triangle in there to signify the first game after the Senators coaching change 48 games in:
If you average that out, under Craig Hartsburg, Heatley played 21 minutes a game, including 4.64 minutes on the power play. After the coaching change, those numbers dropped to 18.85 minutes per game and 3.14 on the power play, meaning that 70 per cent of the reduction in ice time came with the man advantage.
But if you put that in the context of where this team was when that happened — i.e. out of the playoff race — and how much better they performed under Clouston (.618 points percentage compared to .427), it's pretty hard to argue with the results.
When Clouston landed in Ottawa, Heatley had 22 goals and 45 points in 48 games and was a minus-8, a key cog sure, but one on a team going nowhere. Maybe you can argue the new coach could have handled those initial rocky games a bit better, avoiding the early conflict somehow, but the real issue seems to be Heatley's complete inability to adjust to how poor his team had become and the turmoil that comes along with that.
"I have a contract, I'm going to honour that contract," Heatley said of what will happen come training camp. "But, at the same time, I think we know there are teams out there that are interested and hopefully something can get done."
Me, I'm not so sure, as given the cap crunch around the league, it's more likely at this point is that Ottawa has to create some salary cap space and hold onto him for a while. And, who knows, maybe in the meantime his team turns things around and all's well again.
Heatley doesn't think his reputation should take a hit as a result of what's happened this summer, but I can't see how that's the case. There are a couple reasons there hasn't been much of a market for him this off-season, and you can put that at the top of the list.
No one wants a quitter.
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Any word on why Clouston took Heatley off the power play? It’s not like he needs to backcheck when they’re a man up. Was he trying to get him to work harder at even strength?
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by RudyKelly on Aug 22, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess would be to diversify the attack. Spezza to Heatley for the one-timer was stale and predictable, and there wasn’t enough raw offensive power to make a strong second unit. His production did drop: 4g, 3a post-Clouston and 11g, 8a beforehand. This does not excuse his immature handling of the situation. Even if you consider his trade demand because of less time on the powerplay valid (and I don’t), the cone of silence he put up all summer has lowered most people’s opinion of him. His inability to grasp the how and why of his character has taken a hit poses so many more questions than I’d had prior to the conference call.
Heatley was actually scoring goals at a higher rate with Clouston (0.5 vs. 0.46 before), but his assist rate went down (0.3 vs. 0.48). What I’m seeing is a guy who felt like he couldn’t pad his stats like he used to and had a fit because of it. It’s sad.
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by Ryan Classic on Aug 22, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wanted a second unit
Heatley was "demoted " to be the go-to guy on the second unit, in an attempt to make the PP more lethal. I don’t have numbers to state it worked, but I think it made our PP a bit better, at any rate. Certainly made the second unit a LOT better.
by PeterR on Aug 24, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article. Some of Heatley’s displeasure makes a bit more sense… of course, it’s still hard to fathom his handling of the situation.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Aug 22, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Liked the breakdown and reminds me that hockey is a team sport. Further reinforces my opinion of Danielle— diva!
by ontheboards on Aug 22, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand how Heatley and his agents expect to have multiple options presented to them without creating an “Eric-Lindros-situation”.
Practically, there can only be one option at a time. Once on has a provisional deal agreed to with another team, most teams are not going to be as desparate as Kevin Lowe (to not have Dustin Penner on his resume) to want their offer presented to Heatley immediately with a tight time line on a decision, with a clear understanding that Ottawa cannot continue negotiating with other teams when a provisional deal is in place.
by godot10 on Aug 22, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His professed reason for leaving would make Edmonton the perfect fit. He would be the #1 option all the time, and would be the central figure of the organization. So I really question the truthfullness of Heatley’s explanation.
by Waterloo Sens Fan on Aug 22, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no shortage of players who want nothing to do with the Oilers organization. When you consider the teams he has been rumoured to be going to, it seems like Heatley wants to be the go-to guy on a team that has a chance at succeeding. That makes Edmonton a bad fit.
by Resolute on Aug 23, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
James, is it just me or does your chart seem to indicate that Heatley spent a lot more games below the average line than above it (which might indicate a skewing of his minutes average by a few high-minute games)?
by Gerald on Aug 22, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That curve isn’t an average; it looks like it’s a regression. Where the curve is relative to all the data points will depend upon the specific algorithm used.
by J. Michael Neal on Aug 23, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JMN is right, it’s not an average. Sorry I didn’t make that clear.
Every players’ ice time fluctuates like this — it depends what happens in the game as to how much someone like Heatley would play. He had one game where he played nine minutes on the power play, the result of an undisciplined opponent, and that obviously wouldn’t happen every night.
What’s clear is that Hartsburg leaned heavier on him than Clouston, which makes sense given he was trying to shake a terrible team up.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 23, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, James; out of curiosity, what is the line?
by Gerald on Aug 23, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Order 2 polynomial trendline (regression).
I don’t know if that’s the absolute best one to use, but I figured it did the job just fine. It’s been a long time since I was a math geek.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 23, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could send you some information for figuring out whether that’s the best regression model. Mostly, you’re still looking at the mean squared errors.
by J. Michael Neal on Aug 24, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some GMs said they don't want a player
who requests a trade publicly. Heatley implied that he didn’t want to make this request public, indirectly accusing the Sens of leaking his private request.
by SJKel on Aug 22, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually he didn’t imply, but he explicitly said that (he didn’t want this request pubilc) in his press conf.
by SJKel on Aug 22, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is he that naive that he thought such a trade request would remain private? Let alone that the rest of the world would be so dumb to think that there’s no way he would request a trade? He’s the one with the NTC (or NMC?). Of course everyone was going to put A and B together and go “Well, duh, Dan Heatley requested a trade!”
by RedBirdie on Aug 23, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind, I see y’all covered this below.
by RedBirdie on Aug 23, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Combine that with Tambo getting grumpy about his offer being leaked, and clearly we have a mole in the Sens’ organization, someone with access to the GM or an AGM.
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by Doogie2K on Aug 24, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Such a sensitive young man. Bah! Get thee to the KHL.
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by Smoboy41 on Aug 23, 2009 12:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heatley makes a trade request and provides a list of ten teams which presumably the Ottawa management team will contact. And he expects that will not leak out.? He can’t really be that stupid, can he? Then again, if the concept of earning ice time back was escaping him, I guess it should be no surprise. Seriously, this guy should probably be in a Georgia State penitentiary for vehicular manslaughter. Instead he finds himself making over $7 million with a diminished role on a NHL team. Tough life Mr. Heatley. It is a miracle you can get out of bed every day and face this harsh world. What a jerk.
by Max Currie on Aug 23, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
So, then how come there have been many players whose trade requests were never made public until after they were traded? So Heatley was a big name, then how about Pavel Bure, whose trade request was made for at least one season before his hold out in Vancouver yet nobody knew about the request until he refused to report? The Sens management deliberately made this public. I’m sure there have been plenty of trade proposals between GMs that were not made public. is it that uncommon to have a GM say to another, “I have a player who has requested a trade privately. If you can keep it away from the media, let’s talk” ?
by SJKel on Aug 23, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Pronger wanted out of Edmonton, he apparently requested a trade pretty early but the Oilers figured that maybe it would just go away if the team made a deep run in the playoffs and he would change his mind and want to stay. That didn’t come out until the team leaked it, either.
If Ottawa wanted to keep it quiet, I agree with you that they would have. They made it public to try to force him to accept a trade they wanted, or to make him look bad, or whatever.
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by Baroque on Aug 23, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s really tough to know how exactly it comes out. Once you start “shopping” a player, a lot of people are going to know, in your organization and elsewhere, and it can easily come out.
Maybe the Sens did it on purpose, but we really don’t know that.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 23, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course the Senators did…how else are they going to explain why they’re shopping a star player who’s not Spezza. Heatley’s trade request caught everyone by surprise; imagine the surprise (and anger) of the fanbase if the Senators suddenly trade Heatley without explaination. What’s stupid is that Heatley supposed expected Ottawa to not to make the trade request public—how can he expect the organization to take the heat from the fanbase for a situation he created?
What’s making a lot of GMs pause isn’t just the trade request but the reasons behind it. Heatley committed to a contract, but then demanded to be traded when he didn’t like the way he was handled by the new coach who got the team winning again. That will make any GM pause at committing themselves to such a player with such a big contract.
by Forsch31 on Aug 23, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed but I still think Ottawa might have waited until they’d made a trade to explain their move. Where was the sense in letting other teams know right of the bat that Heatley had demanded a trade?
by yrmom on Aug 23, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And doesn’t Ottawa publicizing the fact that Heatley wants a trade put them on the short end of things? If they are telling other teams that he wants out, it makes them seem more desperate, and other GMs would know they’re not dealing from a position of strength.
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by hawksfan21 on Aug 24, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot see how the Senators would think that making this public would make their job easier. It put them over a barrel more than Dany.
Both sides have stated emphatically that they did not make the request public. It is highly probable that someone who was indirectly involved but caught wind let it out. On the trade deadline, the Senators were on hold with the league to confirm the Vermette/Pascal trade when TSN was already reporting it on their ticker. The hockey world is very small; very few secrets can be kept.
by hockeycountry on Aug 23, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Taking heat from fanbase
To play devil’s advocate here, after dealing Heatley the Senators could have informed the media that he requested a trade.
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by Mr. Plank on Aug 23, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what happened with Alex Tanguay and the Flames.
by Resolute on Aug 24, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wasn’t it quietly understood that he’d been looking for an out for a while? Everyone and his dog had been trading him for a good year before he finally went to Montreal.
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by Doogie2K on Aug 24, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heatley’s agents confirmed the trade request within 24 hours of the first rumours of his request. A quick denial by them would have defused the situation at that time (and we know they can lie cause they told the Edmonton media that Edmonton was on the list lol), but instead they reiterate the trade request.
by Waterloo Sens Fan on Aug 23, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can’t really be that stupid, can he?
In case this question isn’t rhetorical, yes, he can be that stupid. And he is.
by cferneyh on Aug 23, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
clearly, he’s dumber than a bag of pucks. Of course it was going to leak, and of course everyone would assume he’s the one who requested the trade.
by RedBirdie on Aug 23, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heatley
No one likes a quitter…or a whiner.
by TeriD on Aug 23, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
Heatley has an uncanny facial resemblance to the late wrestler Andre the Giant.
by Exit716 on Aug 23, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And that should end this conversation.
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by Mike @ MHH on Aug 23, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the breakdown of time is good. which was no surprise. but the basis that “Clouston’s strategy” was the key that make them more successful needs way more reinforcement than just looking at Heatley’s time dropped.
what made the Senators, with almost a similar roster, play so well in previous seasons? Clouston wasnt there. theres a lot more factors than just saying Clouston is some wizard. they tore of a winning streak almost IMMEDIATELY after he came in (all road games too). did they seriously “master” his system that fast? i dont know but im doubting it.
by Savagist on Aug 23, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying Clouston’s strategy of limiting Heatley’s minutes was why they started winning. That’s far too simplistic. But it does make sense for Clouston to try and change what had been done to produce different results, and one way he did that was to use Heatley a little differently.
It is really a small sample size, so what Heatley should have done was just play his way out of this minor blip if what he’s truly worried about is icetime. Obviously any coach is going to have to lean on him in order for the Sens to have success.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 23, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely.All teams need a shakeup at some point and this was one way to
change the chemistry. Clouston probably thought he was sending a bit of message to his other players, figuring that if Heatley’s ice time could be cut then so could theirs.
by yrmom on Aug 24, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heatley
I think Heatley wants to leave Canada for a change of scenery. I think he feels he will get more exposure and attention if he plays for a team in the USA.
As a Sabres fan, I just hope it is for some other team. We already have a cancer in town by the name of Owens; we don’t need another.
by geolover5 on Aug 24, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s tried America. He was a head case in Madison and Atlanta, too.
by J. Michael Neal on Aug 24, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Owen’s a cancer already? In Buffalo I mean.
by yrmom on Aug 24, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heatley Haters
Here’s the timeline from published reports;
- Heatley takes his complaints about ice-time/role to Clouston and Murray in a closed door meeting. They do nothing.
- Heatley requests a trade privately – not telling team mates or the media. They do nothing.
- Ottawa brass leak the trade to the press, destroying their leverage to get a ‘fair value’ deal.
- Ottawa brass cynically involve the Oilers (a team not on Heatley’s list) in an attempt to drive up the auction price for Heatley prior to his $4M payout.
- The Rangers pull out leaving only the already illegitimate Oiler offer. So Murray cynically attempts to force Heatley to take it through public pressure.
As for the contention that Heatley is a ‘quitter’;
- Players requesting trades are a fact of life. Heatley isn’t the first or the last.
- His request never affected his team or his play. He didn’t dog it or whine.
- He never once stated he wouldn’t play out his contract.
- Its his right to ask for a trade.
- It’s his right to give a list of teams he would accept a trade to.
- The professional approach was taken at every step; he tried to address it internally, he asked for a trade outside of the press, and he maintained media silence even after Murray’s brass leaked it.
- Other players who have requested trades (Pronger, etc.) don’t seem to merit the same level of vitriol from the press.
- For other players who have requested trades quietly, this never becomes an issue because the teams they play for had GMs with enough professionalism to quietly trade the player without leaking the news first (makes you wonder about Thornton, eh?)
Not only has Heatley been victimized by how Murray’s inept handling of this plays out, but he has exposed what an intellectually and morally bankrupt organization he was playing for. So of course, the media makes him the villain while Murray gets a pass for wasting the asset of a 50-50-100 sniper in an effort to support a rookie coach doing his best Mike Keenan impression.
by velociraptor on Aug 24, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So of course, the media makes him the villain while Murray gets a pass for wasting the asset of a 50-50-100 sniper in an effort to support a rookie coach doing his best Mike Keenan impression.
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by Doogie2K on Aug 24, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murray and Clouston run the team. It’s really not Heatley’s place to evaluate their conduct, and if he wants to request a trade, it’s very, very easy to anticipate that that could become public very soon (and through no fault of the Senators).
It’s Heatley’s right to ask for a trade, but it’s also Murray’s right to deny that request if a suitable deal cannot be made. This is a very difficult deal to make in the best of circumstances, and with the cap not going up for the first time in its existence, these are not those.
The Sens really should have tried to smooth this over in the beginning because there are no winners now. There’s no good trade to be made in this situation and no way for Heatley to get to a destination he prefers.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 24, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other players who have requested trades (Pronger, etc.) don’t seem to merit the same level of vitriol from the press.
Didn’t Pronger spend his free time in Edmonton sacrificing virgins and drinking the blood of kittens? Or was it the other way around? The media was a little fuzzy on the whole situation. :)
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by Baroque on Aug 24, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny but when Pronger signed in Philly this offseason I don’t recall any articles about how he needed to repair his reputation, or what a quitter he is. Maybe I missed them?
by velociraptor on Aug 24, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s because the reasons for the trade request are remarkably different.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 24, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I recall Pronger’s were even more specious than Heatley’s…unless you believe the weather girl story.
by velociraptor on Aug 24, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pronger’s family was unhappy in Edmonton and wanted to move.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 24, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always found it curious that both Pronger and Peca took the Edmonton free-agent overpay and then immediately found issue with the weather/etc. and asked to be dealt.
But I guess Heatley couldn’t use the family excuse, not having a family to hold up as a shield.
by velociraptor on Aug 24, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you assume that it’s an excuse?
Besides, Pronger was traded to Edmonton and wasn’t a free agent.
by Malurous on Aug 24, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad. He was traded to Edmonton at the end of his contract (for Brewer, etc.) signed the massive extension – and THEN asked for a trade out of town.
by velociraptor on Aug 24, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pronger was traded from St. Louis as an RFA and signed to an absurdly affordable contract for his talents ($6.25M while still in the prime of his career). Peca was traded from the Islanders with one year left on his deal, so that $4M salary is nothing Lowe did.
Pronger’s wife hated Edmonton, so Chris asked for a deal, even though (he claims) that he loved playing there. Peca wasn’t happy with the role he was put in, woefully misused as he was by MacTavish, who should’ve recognized one of his own when he saw him, and understandably bolted as soon as his deal was up.
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by Doogie2K on Aug 25, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I will stand corrected. I had always viewed the Pronger/Peca signings/trade requests as a creative way to boost their contracts followed by a quick exit to more palatable pastures, but from what you describe that was likely not the case.
by velociraptor on Aug 25, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Murray and Clouston run the team. It’s really not Heatley’s place to evaluate their conduct, and if he wants to request a trade, it’s very, very easy to anticipate that that could become public very soon (and through no fault of the Senators).”
I respectfully disagree. Every employee judges the performance of their superiors, and their competence is a key factor for how employees behave. Its why everybody wants to play in Detroit, and nobody asks for a trade to Atlanta or Edmonton.
When employers in the ‘real’ world are incompetent, employees start looking for jobs elsewhere. Why do we maintain the fiction that Heatley is somehow a whiner for wanting out, when in the real world we would be supportive of anybody leaving a situation where management was incompetent and terrible?
Further, consider the big picture on how mgt treats a NMC when the player no longer fits their plans – the ‘Muskoka Five’, Danny Boyle, etc. Should a player be expected to show more loyalty to the team than the team will ever show to them?
As for Heatley ‘reasonably’ anticipating that mgt. would leak his trade request, since when is it Heatley’s job to anticipate the leaks of mgt.? That should be Murray’s job – and from what has happened, it is pretty clear he is lousy at it.
by velociraptor on Aug 24, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who’s to say one of the many, many teams the Senators contacted about Heatley didn’t leak the fact he had requested a trade? Information like this comes out all the time.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 24, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you can reasonably hold Heatley responsible if his camp had been the source – but they weren’t (and the NHLPA head went to the unusual step of confirming this). Which would IMO exonerate him from any blame that it was leaked.
That leaves Ottawa brass, and those they spoke to.
Is it a coincidence that less competent organizations (like Edmonton) have leaks, while other organizations like Detroit somehow don’t?
by velociraptor on Aug 24, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see how we can definitively blame Ottawa here when this information would have been in the hands of most of the GMs in the league.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 24, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its less that I blame Ottawa (because it could be some other team that leaked the trade) and more that I don’t blame Heatley.
His camp tried to handle things professionally; talk to mgt quietly rather than through the press. Make the trade request quietly rather than through the press, etc.
And given how Murray handled things;
- no internal adjustments to make the situation better
- no trade of Heatley on the QT when it would have returned maximum value
- the scorched earth media policy regarding Heatley (including dragging in the owner, Bill Daly, etc.)
- the botched involvement of Edm
- the ridiculous auction to avoid the $4M payout
What reason do you have to believe it isn’t Ottawa brass being just as bad at keeping it quiet as they are at everything else?
by velociraptor on Aug 24, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t have information either way. But this is certainly, as I said, a very real possibility when you request a trade.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 24, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we know if Ottawa even tried to trade him prior to the news leaking out?
by velociraptor on Aug 24, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He made the request in May, then sent it in writing in June. Playoffs were still going on, then the news leaked somewhere around the draft, IIRC.
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by Doogie2K on Aug 25, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
… the $4m payout by July 1 prevented any team from wanting to trade for Heatley.
Still, I see – and somewhat agree – Velociraptor’s point. The media – and many fans – seem ready to blame Heatley for the leak. like Mirtle said, nobody knows. It could have been any team Murray talked to. I’m sure whomever leaked will get a bad rap from his peers
by IsThisTheYear? on Aug 25, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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