SB Nation: Season 2

Summer's winding down, but I've still got time for a few house-cleaning posts to sneak in here.
SB Nation. A bit of a wild ride. First of all, I owe a long overdue thanks to Greg Wyshynski for his kind words on the network (and for putting us ahead of Mike Commodore's disturbing money shot). Wyshynski himself has only been up and running for about 16 months, and he's already a big, big influence on hockey coverage online so kudos to him.
When Tyler Bleszinski contacted me last October and asked that I join SBN, I honestly knew very little about the network outside of stopping by its Leafs blog once in a while. And, looking over the hockey content they had at the time — six or seven NHL blogs, with at least one abandoned — pulling together what they had in mind in the next five months seemed, well, a little nuts.
Thankfully, with a lot of smart people behind the scenes and many more signing on, things have turned out quite well. It's incredibly satisfying to now see sites like Pension Plan Puppets and PensBurgh with audiences 10 or 20 times larger than what they were only eight or nine months ago. Other established sites like Japers' Rink, Canes Country, On The Forecheck and St. Louis Game Time — several of which are credentialed to cover their teams — joined early on, and the rest was easy.
People just started to buy into what we were building, and they still do.
Along the way, there have been a lot of pleasant surprises, with new bloggers like Brandon from Defending Big D and Jim from Blueshirt Banter starting sites from scratch and putting together impressive communities in only a few months time.
(And because I'm going to get grief from those I didn't mentioned, check out all 31 of the hockey sites here.)
In any event, Year 1 at SB Nation was really about developing the network's hockey side and then using partnerships like those with Yahoo! Sports and NHL.com to promote some of the best work being done in the NHL blogosphere. We'd like to add a couple more sites before this season starts, including individual blogs for the Ducks and Kings, but for the most part the focus will be on improving the quality and depth of coverage in 2009-10. SBN will have more writers credentialed for more events than last season, and we'll be far more organized from the get go.
So, 10 months into all this, here's what I'd like to know: What do you think of SBN so far and what else would you like to see on the network? How do you think the transition has gone from Blogger to here and how do you think hockey blogging in general can continue to improve?
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meh. it’s “okay”, I guess.
Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 28, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
by Mike @ MHH on Aug 28, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just in… we’re in need of Avs bloggers.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How do you think the transition has gone from Blogger to here and how do you think hockey blogging in general can continue to improve?
I’m incredibly jealous that I can’t find a commenting platform to have the kind of interaction on my own blog that I have here and on MHH. The transition from your site on Blogger to SBNation added 6 layers of depth to your blog. Before your site was stadium nacho cheese (not an insult, that stuff is tasty), now it’s a whole homemade 7-layer dip.
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 28, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
This.
I feel like I enjoy other blogs less now because so much is lost by the lack of organization in the comments. The feedback from readers adds so much depth and conversation to so many stories.
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by Original Six on Aug 28, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, the commenting system and sense of community it helps foster was one of the big reasons I made the move to SBN. well, that and the promise of the 72 virgins.
Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 28, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course you were disappointed that two of the virgins turned out to be Mike and Joe.
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 28, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
This has to be rec’d
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Aug 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playa please…
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
by Mike @ MHH on Aug 28, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when Jibbles can use it correctly that is…
by Mrs @ MHH on Aug 28, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’ll notice he didn’t screw up any of his comments here…
Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 28, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s still time!
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 28, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the truest statement you have ever spoken. There is indeed time.
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
by Mike @ MHH on Aug 28, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when Jibbles can use it correctly that is…
The commenting system or the virgins? ;)
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
(Currently, and sadly, on a self-imposed team-specific puck sabbatical.)
by Baroque on Aug 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Both.
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
by Mike @ MHH on Aug 28, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also like the rec system because it strokes my delicate ego.
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 28, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
I can’t come up with a clean reply for this. I’ll just laugh and give you a +1 to help your…..ego grow.
by Afino on Aug 28, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure many FTR readers know how to use the recs… it’s only when you turkeys show up anything gets highlighted.
Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com
by James Mirtle on Aug 28, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I only know because you told me when I gave out a +1 a while back.
by Afino on Aug 28, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should link to my helpful tutorials.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Aug 28, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that what those were?!
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by James Mirtle on Aug 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I even put pictures in for you James!
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Aug 28, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notification
Now all we need is notification….
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by Derek Zona on Aug 28, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say that it’s a vast improvement. To have all these blogs in one place is gold. The interface is nice and the organized, automatically updating comments make discussion easier (even if editing posts would be a welcome addition).
Of course, the quality blogs and quality people make this place what it is. And it’s cool that everyone has the same name in different blogs and you have no anonymous commenters, so you get to know the users a bit. I believe it also brings a certain responsibility that leads to higher quality in conversation.
To sum it up, I’ve spent some time in different internet communities and I keep coming back to some, but I’ve never commented as much myself as in SBN. And that’s because there are great people to discuss with, and it’s convenient to do.
by Malurous on Aug 28, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very true. And also, allowing the “community” to post their own thoughts via fanposts and such is a huge plus. I have yet to berate James in one of them, but I’m sure that’ll happen sometime. It’s just a good thing he didn’t have this platform the year he predicted the Habs to finish 13th and they finished 1st. I just had to berate via email, berating him publicly on his own site sounds like so much more fun.
But I think we need another series of “NHL players playing ping pong” photos. That Marco Sturm one I think sealed my loyalty for this series of websites.
Hockey blogging can't get any flatter.
by saskhab on Aug 28, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha, that was fun… I only started it because I stumbled across a crazy number of NHL players playing ping pong photos.
Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com
by James Mirtle on Aug 28, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve discussed adding editing ability for commenters but the worry is that people will post something and then change what was written there after people start responding to their comments.
Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com
by James Mirtle on Aug 28, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen that solved on other sites, by using either a short timeline edit window (like 5 minutes, because most of the time, you post and then immediately know you should’ve edited something), or by keeping an edit log, so you can click on it, and see say version 1, 2, 3, as its been edited, so that the comment can still be pointed to in a discussion.
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Sacrifice the Body - Examining the NHL through statistical analysis, reasoned thought, and blind conjecture.
by IAmJoe on Aug 28, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the worry is that people will post something and then change what was written there
Oh yes, I’ve seen that being a problem on other (non-SB) blogs. A very short edit window would be nice, but if it’s not worth the bother we can do without.
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by Your Nation's Capital on Aug 28, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The preview button serves the same purpose. Just click it, read your comment and then edit before hitting post.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Aug 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The preview button serves the same purpose.
It really does. And if it takes an extra moment, I don’t think that’s a bad thing — particularly when a ton of comments are flying in a thread at the same time. I think it helps you get it right the first time.
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by Dominik on Aug 28, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that’s what I do. It’s just that not everyone does ;)
by Malurous on Aug 28, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatevs.
:: pouts ::
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by Your Nation's Capital on Aug 28, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Season 2, eh? I guess we’ve got to go through the list and look for prime candidates for a sophmore slump.
Hockey blogging can't get any flatter.
by saskhab on Aug 28, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course, it’s all about content.
For every ten sites that use excessive profanities and other off-colour remarks to generate their “traffic”, there’s a site like yours, Wysh (although commenters there are a different story), JP, or pretty much any SB Nation blog to provide fair and insightful commentary on the NHL.
If you blog it, they will come…..
by Afino on Aug 28, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree about Wysh. I think his work encourages childish comments as seen by the Mark Messier/Gary Coleman picture. That was completely ridiculous; a teenage boy looking for attention puts up such a picture, not a journalist.
James’ site is for the thinking hockey fan. It leads to some reasonable commentary and I have yet to read a comment referring to someone as a douchebag.
Well done James!
by skatehack on Aug 28, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the commenters there are more the result of being associated with a megasite like Yahoo! more than Wysh’s content. Everyone has an account there already for fantasy leagues, so everyone saw the content. Here, you have to find out about the sites in order to comment. It’s the content that drives the readership.
Hockey blogging can't get any flatter.
by saskhab on Aug 28, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the commenters there are more the result of being associated with a megasite like Yahoo! more than Wysh’s content.
That’s what I think as well. But I also agree with Jibble that both sites are a completely different animal, but fill the need.
by Afino on Aug 28, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree about Wysh. I think his work encourages childish comments as seen by the Mark Messier/Gary Coleman picture. That was completely ridiculous; a teenage boy looking for attention puts up such a picture, not a journalist.
Wysh is clearly not trying to be a journalist, but uses his blog to highlight the humorous and absurdities. Mirtle is more a straight laced newsman. It’s like Jon Stewert and Brian Williams. There’s certainly an audience, and room for both.
I enjoy both, a lot, but I clearly go to both sites for different reasons. And Yoahho!s comments are awful over every single sports blog they have.
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on all counts. Wysh and Mirtle are two different bites of a very delicious Internet apple.
Despite the wide open nature of the interwebs, I think there does need to be some gatekeeping and I like the SB set up for hockey and football. Keep up the good work in Season 2 James! Two more years and you will be arbitration eligible right?
The population of Pominville keeps rising!
by Blackcapricorn on Aug 28, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. The one thing about the comment system that bugs me, and it’s not so much on hockey blogs as it is on Football and Baseball blogs, is that when they get overcrowded it becomes reallyhard to have the discussion.
I am a SF Giants fan, and McCovey Chronicles has great commenters and is fun, but it’s impossible to have a conversation there just because of the massive amount of people they have.
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 28, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing about the comment system that bugs me, and it’s not so much on hockey blogs as it is on Football and Baseball blogs, is that when they get overcrowded it becomes reallyhard to have the discussion.
This is true. When you have to scroll madly up and down to see where the new comments were added on a few different topics, it can be hard to keep up. It’s one benefit to hockey being a second-tier sport, though. :D
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
(Currently, and sadly, on a self-imposed team-specific puck sabbatical.)
by Baroque on Aug 28, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Scrolling Required
Here are the hot-keys:
Press C to tab through new comments, Shift-C to tab backwards, X to mark a comment as read, and Shift-A to mark all read.
Z will simultaneously mark and tab forward, and R will reply to the comment that has focus.
They are vital in busy threads like game threads.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Aug 28, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thread collapse would be a great feature.
It makes a tree-structured board far more readable if you can click a minus and roll up a whole branch.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the rafters in Greensboro didn't see any of this coming.
@joshcvt / blog / photography
by JoshCVT on Aug 28, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea. Send it to support at sbnation dot com
Actually, if anyone has any feature requests they should send them in.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Aug 28, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MCC isn't as bad as Bleed Cubbie Blue...
where the game-in-progress threads have to start fresh every hour due to saturation.
by bison on Aug 28, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But as a Cards fan
I just can’t enough of the Cubbie “faithful” crying into their Old Style…..
Blues. Cardinals. Broncos. Univ. of Denver Hockey.
Also Nuggets, Outlaws (MLL) and Mammoth (NLL).
by HockeyHippie on Sep 1, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
comments are awful over every single sports blog they have.
Bingo. Matt Hinton is a terrific college football writer at Dr. Saturday. He’s about as good as there is, mainstream, blogosphere, or otherwise, and there are plenty of days his comments turn into a cesspool, through absolutely no fault of his own. Wysh is fine at what he does, and the fact that the comments section occasionally resembles a grade school recess is just the price paid for being at Yahoo.
The technical aspect for me that gives SBN an edge is the continuously updating comments feature. For game day threads or some of the fast moving threads re: the Coyotes, it can’t be beat.
Thanks again, James. Here’s to another good year.
by Robert Cleave on Aug 28, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does some fun stuff. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with doing something off-the-wall.
It’s a shame about his commenters
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Aug 28, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SBNation rocks. The blogging tools are outstanding – quoting, linking, pictures all easy as pie and sharp looking to boot. I don’t know how I ever lived without threaded comments and the Z key, but I don’t have to any more.
If I could change one thing I’d add a short edit window to the comment feature so I could go back and fix minor (grammar, spelling, missing words) errors in my comments.
I was and still am a hockey neophyte after finding my way to SBN this past playoff season, but thanks to the uber-informed bloggers and commentariat, I am a much better informed hockey neophyte. I rewatched some of the playoff games on the NHL Network recently and was able to use my new knowledge to finally “see” the puck, to know the players and their positions, and actually understand more of what was going on in the game.
Thank you SBNation and blogger army!
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by Your Nation's Capital on Aug 28, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
First off, I think you have done an amazing job getting all 30 teams represented by the end of last season…some sites are better than others, of course, but I think they all are quality work.
It’s also a good thing that the various communities are so different, I think. My Blues are covered by St Louis Game TIme , which I know is not everybody’s cup of tea, but, like so many others, this was an existing community, which brought many of its old commenters, and that contributes to the cohesiveness of the hockey community in general, which is a world apart from other sports.
Finally, it’s James’ From the Rink that makes SB Hockey the best of all the sports that SBN covers…this is the place I come to first every single day, sometimes even before checking out SLGT (sorry, Brad!) because there is an overview of what’s going on in the sport that you can’t find very many places. For instance, the coverage of the Coyotes’ complicated situation has been second to none, IMO. The commenters here, for the most part, are the most intelligent and well informed of any sports site I come in contact with. I didn’t really follow hockey blogs before this, so I have no basis of comparison, but it would appear to have grown by leaps and bounds this past season, thanks to SBN and all the bloggers doing the good work and (hopefully) gaining a measure of respect.
Congrats on a successful year one, and here’s to even better things the second time around.
by tbell61 on Aug 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks tbell — really appreciate the comments.
Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com
by James Mirtle on Aug 28, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s been a fun run so far Mr. Mirtle and it’s only getting better. Thanks for all the hard work you put into it.
Follow the Penguins on SBN @ Pensburgh.com and twitter.
by FrankD on Aug 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep up the terrific work!
I find sometimes it's easy to be myself
sometimes I find it's better to be somebody else
by Fauxrumors on Aug 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe that Blez got so much credit for getting you signed up James!
Sure, he’s in charge and did the heavy lifting with Jim but who has two thumbs and told Blez that he HAD to have you?
This guy!
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Aug 28, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, one of the guys…
Follow the Penguins on SBN @ Pensburgh.com and twitter.
by FrankD on Aug 28, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHUT UP YOU!
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Aug 28, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
including individual blogs for the Ducks and Kings
Bwa ha ha, then we can throw those BoC bums back on the street where they belong! :)
Kidding, of course — BoC is solidly behind this “Make it 30” completion movement. Hurry up and apply before Mirtle forces us to do it.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
by Earl Sleek on Aug 28, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That makes it sound like you have your “Will Hockey Blog for Food” sign all ready to set up on the pavement.
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." -- Philo of Alexandria
(Currently, and sadly, on a self-imposed team-specific puck sabbatical.)
by Baroque on Aug 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got a nice section of pavement picked out, even. Right next to Rob Niedermayer’s!
http://www.battleofcali.com/
by Earl Sleek on Aug 28, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES! This means I can finally recruit Earl to the dark side, and make him draw cartoons about the Red Wings!
http://sacrificethebody.blogspot.com/
Sacrifice the Body - Examining the NHL through statistical analysis, reasoned thought, and blind conjecture.
by IAmJoe on Aug 28, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wait … the BoC is where I go for Ducks, Kings, & Sharks info (outside of FTF). There is no other site needed. Why not just direct Kings & Ducks fans there? You guys do an outstanding job.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Aug 28, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably just want to quarantine possible sources of avian flu.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Aug 28, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus I’d like to read some semi-mature Ducks posts once in a while.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
by Earl Sleek on Aug 28, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well … YOU could attempt to do that yourself … :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Aug 28, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why mess with success?
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Aug 28, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely… we won’t take down BoC. There’s just the thought that individual communities for all 30 teams would be a good idea.
Blogging on hockey at fromtherink.com
by James Mirtle on Aug 28, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’ve done a great job of recruiting established and responsible bloggers for SB Nation. Kudos to you for getting them all to jump onboard. I think the biggest thing you could do to improve things going forward it to find a way to help leverage your exposure (Yahoo, NHL.com) and turn it into more credentialed opportunities for your bloggers. They are dedicated and do great work—but it will always be hard ot stay original when your information has to come from second-hand sources.
by godsendjen on Aug 28, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I think you’ve done a great job of recruiting established and responsible bloggers for SB Nation.
Indeed, and rec’d. Without calling out names, I can think of some other sports communities here at SBN that seem to have gone for completism over quality content, and the results aren’t compelling despite SBN being (IMO) the best commenting platform in blogging. A few of them were so off-putting they’d kept me from registering here.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the rafters in Greensboro didn't see any of this coming.
@joshcvt / blog / photography
by JoshCVT on Aug 28, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you first made the switch to SBN, I was kinda bummed, as it seemed sorta like “selling out”. I actually stopped reading for a couple weeks, because I’m lazy and couldn’t be bothered to update my bookmarks. As it was, the commenting at the old Mirtleblog was getting to be a little too big for the Blogger interface, but as I wasn’t as active in the comments there, I didn’t really care for the advantages of moving over here. It was when BoC moved over here that I ended up following along, as I was a more common commenter there.
In the end, its been a pretty positive move. I agree with Mal above, about how the excellent commenting software here has really allowed SBN to blossom, and more than that, has helped create communities around each of these blogs. With the common names across multiple blogs all on a single platform, you get to know your fellow commenters a bit better, and it really creates the kind of feel like you’re just sitting in a sports bar with a couple of friends (and maybe that idiot friend who you can’t get rid of) and shootin’ the shit on hockey. I honestly don’t know if that would work the same if hockey were a bigger sport, because, for example, the commenting on the football blogs on SBN is just atrocious, but that kind of environment is what I really dig about the SBN move. It’s almost less about following a specific writer, and more about joining in the discussion.
I’m pretty happy with SBN Hockey. The biggest change I’d like to see is a short window of time to edit a post. I know everyone and their mother wants that one, I’m kind of surprised it hasn’t been pushed down the pipeline yet. Other than that, I don’t know how SBN works internally or what the plans are, but I wouldn’t mind seeing it expand to more than just a team specific blog for all 30 teams (Plus FTR and BoC), and see more of my favorite blogs brought on board here. The commenting really is a convenient thing, and I think it could help more blogs out there in the whole community building sense. I don’t know how you draw the line between being something like Blogger, where any retard with a keyboard can start writing, and where we’re at now, but I think its definitely doable.
I will say though, while the move to SBN has definitely improved the design of some sites, MirtleBlog is one of the ones which I preferred the old Blogger design and layout. The old layout was much cooler.
http://sacrificethebody.blogspot.com/
Sacrifice the Body - Examining the NHL through statistical analysis, reasoned thought, and blind conjecture.
by IAmJoe on Aug 28, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, the other cool thing about the continuity of names and such in comments, is that amongst the actual team bloggers, it drives traffic to their sites. I’m not a Isles or Thrashers fan, but I follow those blogs for no other reason than because every time I’ve seen Dominic or The Falconer comment, I like it, so I’ve gone to their sites to get more. I’m ending up following other teams and joining other communities that I probably otherwise wouldn’t have, in large part because the commenting feature makes it easy for me to see who is talking.
http://sacrificethebody.blogspot.com/
Sacrifice the Body - Examining the NHL through statistical analysis, reasoned thought, and blind conjecture.
by IAmJoe on Aug 28, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was when BoC moved over here that I ended up following along, as I was a more common commenter there.
Heh, we followed the same path… I did follow FTR after the move but didn’t bother to register before BoC came here too. At that point there was just too much pulling me to SBN with these two blogs combined.
by Malurous on Aug 28, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like I opened a can of worms with my previous post about Wysh. What got lost in that post, was my message about this site.
Nicely done James. Keep it up!
by skatehack on Aug 28, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love SNBs blogroll. I go to the blogs now before I go to ESPN, or NHL.com, or SI. I love how its more than just news. Its news as well as opinion. I enjoy the fanposts, and the ability to post something on my mind without having to have my own blog. I love how its given me people to talk Canes with. Weve got a nice fanbase, but unfortunately for me I live in a small boonie town called Creedmoor and the fanbase is growing by the day, but still hasent fully planted its roots in the outskirts country towns. SBN gives me somewhere to chat and debate amongst my own kind. ESPN is more hockey talk in their comment section, where as CanesCountry is Canes talk. I also like how its created ways for different fanbases to connect. Without SBN how would I have enjoyed trash talking with NJ, Boston, and Pittsburgh during last years playoff run? It was great, I’d walk into work, turn on computer, check CanesCountry, and immediately head on over to Stanley Cup of Chowder. Thanks for the work yall do, and keep up the good work, SBN is now my homepage!
by TylerA7707 on Aug 28, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Awesome, good to hear from you Tyler.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 28, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been a smartass in the comments here, for the most part, but something I think might be worth experimenting with a little is the idea of group blogs, like BoC.
Sometimes it would be nice to know what’s going on in the Northwest and chat with some of the fans there, and of course friendly trashtalk, without having to go to All 5 NW blogs. There are also some good “Battle” blogs out there, including CA, and their format works really well.
Not really sure if that’s a route that would work with 2 team representations and all, but the sharks have two and both of them seem to do ok.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 28, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There wouldn’t be any “friendly” trash talk in the Northeast.
by Afino on Aug 28, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. That could get pretty out of hand pretty quickly in any area.
by Mrs @ MHH on Aug 28, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing the Northwest might get out of hand as well. There’s other divisions with rivalries that could get out of hand too. Enough people join, and enough will take the friendly trash talk too seriously.
by Bosc Ulrich on Aug 28, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Battle of Alberta (the years it’s active) has managed to stay pretty civil. Possibly because Flames and Oilers fans alike can agree that the Oilers kind of suck ( =( ) and the Canucks are a bunch of flaming douchebags.
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by Doogie2K on Aug 28, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it all depends on whether you can find anything in common to relate to each other. For the BoC, it’s easy. All of our teams are criminally neglected by the east coast media. That’s bitterness we can all rally around.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
by Earl Sleek on Aug 28, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
If not for that whole “California” requirement I think you could have “Battle of the Western Conference, minus Detroit and Chicago”
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 28, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think more of what makes BoC chill is the attitudes of the authors themselves. Even amongst the authors, its a pretty friendly rivalry, almost more like “oh, we’re supposed to be rivals with these guys? Ok, I guess”. When the authors are chill, the readers tend to be too. If you and RK were just bashing on each other’s teams like a lot of other authors do with their rivals, then you’d be getting similar things in your comments. Also, when you guys are busting on each other’s balls, or another teams’, you at least do it in a halfway intelligent, or a downright silly (and remarkably creative) manner. That helps a lot.
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by IAmJoe on Aug 28, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed … it’s all done with humor.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
by ang6666 on Aug 28, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I don’t know. Me and O’Brien were discussing something similar to this the other day. There are blogs on SBN that I don’t even bother following, because frankly, the level of absolutely stupid venom being spit back and forth across the comments is not even worth wading in to. I mostly comment here and on BoC, but this past playoff, during the Wings/Ducks series, hanging out at BoC, I could have a good argument with Earl, Arthur, or whoever, and it stayed pretty respectful and even keeled, but at the same time, the flood of out and out trolls screaming “de-twat” over and over was pretty sad.
That kind of thing is why I won’t even bother going to any of the Central Division blogs (not that WiM doesn’t have the same thing going on), because that kind of thing basically eliminates the comments as useful way of communicating. If you want to make fun of my team, that’s fine, but please at least do it in a halfway intelligent manner. The idea of “Battle of the Central Division”, etc. seems almost more like a big “Trolls, Come Here!” sign.
What might work is to make it less of an actual blog to itself, and maybe more like an aggregate sort of thing. Like say, as each of the 5 Central blogs make posts, they can choose to tag them to also appear in a general Central Division thing. The post itself would stay on the original blog, and not have to be double posted between multiple blogs. However, if you clicked to see this Central Division blog, what you would be basically looking at is an aggregate of tagged posts from each of the 5 Central Division blogs, instead of actually having a standalone Central Division blog.
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Sacrifice the Body - Examining the NHL through statistical analysis, reasoned thought, and blind conjecture.
by IAmJoe on Aug 28, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A French language Habs blog would be interesting. Love Robert’s blog, obviously, but it’d be interesting to compare the two.
Hockey blogging can't get any flatter.
by saskhab on Aug 28, 2009 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Technically, he could do both, but the poor man’s busy enough with one language as it is.
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by Doogie2K on Aug 28, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just waiting for you to get a real Thrashers blogger…
but seriously, the one thing I’d like to see are city hubs that link all the teams which share a geographical location. Some Atlanta area readers would probably jump from the Braves to the Falcons to the Thrashers to the Hawks to UGA/GT if we set something up to facilitate that sort of movement within the site.
All things Thrashers + stats: www.birdwatchersanonymous.com
by The Falconer on Aug 28, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
the one thing I’d like to see are city hubs that link all the teams which share a geographical location. Some Atlanta area readers would probably jump from the Braves to the Falcons to the Thrashers to the Hawks to UGA/GT if we set something up to facilitate that sort of movement within the site.
I like this idea too.
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 28, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raw Charge I know has a “Tampa Bay on SB Nation” thing on its sidebar. You could definitely do that, though it wouldn’t be quite the same as what you’re saying right now.
I do think a sort of “city hub” thing though isn’t a bad idea moving forward. Helps replace the old sports page. Death to the newspapers, etc. etc.
http://sacrificethebody.blogspot.com/
Sacrifice the Body - Examining the NHL through statistical analysis, reasoned thought, and blind conjecture.
by IAmJoe on Aug 28, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for a great year, James. Keep up the great work!
by Bosc Ulrich on Aug 28, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another idea worth considering might be a blog devoted to AHL/minor league pro hockey and perhaps one covering the major juniors.
by tbell61 on Aug 28, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
I’d love to see some minor league blogs, if you can find good writers
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 28, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d welcome that. I enjoy checking on our Western College Hockey blog from time to time. Having a Q, OHL, WHL and AHL blog would be terrific if they could find someone up to the task of covering such large leagues.
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by The Falconer on Aug 28, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep thinking I’ll blog about the Hitmen, but then I inevitably decide that it’s more fun to just let the games wash over me. Thinking and analysis are for the Bigs.
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by Doogie2K on Aug 28, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With respect to jumping from Blogger to SBN, having done it myself, I have to say it’s been superb. The platform is excellent; the outreach we get couldn’t be better, and the commenters in general have been great. All this and no spam – something Google kind of needs to throw a bone in helping out for Blogger users, in my opinion.
In terms of coverage, it’d be cool if there was someone to handle minor league hockey and the various junior leagues. I think it would also be great if there was also an international hockey blog – focusing on one of Europe’s top leagues like in Sweden, Finland, the Czech Republic, and Russia.
As a Special One may say, “It’s fantastic!” (Likewise, he’d say, “Shut up, Puppets.”)
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by John Fischer on Aug 28, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
James, congratulations on a successful year. Japers’ Rink led me here but I’ve become a near daily reader of FTR because you have smart and interesting things to say about hockey. (That’s not to say an occasional shot of Victor Hedman half-clothed would go unappreciated.) Your work on the Coyotes alone has been epic. As for SB Nation, the only thing I can say is wow. What a great forum for hockey knowledge and more than a few laughs. Thanks for your role in making it all possible.
by Lisita on Aug 28, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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