Canucks add three defencemen; Sharks dump two
Tough to keep up with all of the activity this afternoon:
San Jose Sharks Executive Vice President and General Manager Doug Wilson announced today that the team has acquired center Patrick White and defenseman Daniel Rahimi from the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for defensemen Christian Ehrhoff and Brad Lukowich.
Vancouver Canucks President & General Manager Mike Gillis announced today that the Canucks have signed defenceman Mathieu Schneider. In keeping with club policy, terms were not disclosed.
All right, what does all this mean?
For Vancouver
The Canucks definitely needed at least one more blueliner and had about $5-million cap space to pull it off, but adding three is a bit of a surprise. Combined, Ehrhoff and Lukowich add $4.66-million and Schneider's deal will be in the $1.5-million range.
This puts Vancouver over the cap and gives Gillis eight NHL defencemen to work with, something that leads me to believe there will be another move on the horizon on the Canucks blueline with someone like Kevin Bieksa or Shane O'Brien being shuttled out. Ehrhoff was an awful minus-12 on the Sharks last year and his time was up there; he's overpaid but should be able to do some nice things on the Canucks power play.
Lukowich is a servicable (but expensive) option in the No. 6 or 7 spot, and Schneider showed he had something left in the tank during his stint in Montreal last season. All in all, depending who they move out, Vancouver's defence gets an upgrade even if they still lack a true No. 1 guy.
Ehrhoff is overrated in general and could cause some headaches for Canucks fans, but as a package, these three help.
For San Jose
This is a big time salary dump, as the two prospects coming in aren't anything to crow about. As far as I can tell, the Sharks have about $2.5-million left under the salary cap after having been over for much of the summer, and one of the first orders of business will be to re-sign restricted free agent Torrey Mitchell to a new deal.
I think more moves are coming for the Sharks here, and that may even involve the long rumoured deal for Dany Heatley. Dumping Ehrhoff and Lukowich gives Wilson a lot of flexibility going forward, especially if he can also move out Jonathan Cheechoo, although it'd still be wise for him to add another cheap veteran on the back end at some point.
I'll be very surprised if this is the lineup San Jose goes into the season with. We were told to expect big changes, and I imagine those are still on the way.
UPDATE Here's my piece in Saturday's Globe and Mail on the deal.
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Seems to me that Ehrhoff and Schneider have an overlapping skill set, adding both might not have such a good idea.
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by The Falconer on Aug 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Schneider is only signed for this year; Ehrhoff is inked for ’10-11 as well – and it gives Schneider a chance to mentor Ehrhoff.
This trade [and others like it] is why it’s silly to freak out over a team’s expected cap position in mid-August: every team is eventually going to get under via salary dump trades, shipping guys to the minors, or whatever. The only thing that’s missing is the details – and they always fall into place before the startof the season.
by Irish Blues on Aug 29, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the “big changes” quote from Wilson after the playoff exit was not referencing only a major trade.
More importantly the Sharks need to change the culture in the locker room and in practice, it needs to be more competitive and more demanding. The third and fourth lines never clicked all season last year, and they will be drastically redone. As many as 10-11 players from last year will be gone (maybe more), and there are what I could characterize as more grinders and younger energy players on the third and fourth line compared to years passed. The defense will be different with Huskins and possible Joslin added, maybe a Petrecki or a Moore. And the captain and alternate captain positions will be earned in training camp, not given.
If that is the bottom line changes from last year to this year, that is significant. Beat writer David Pollak announced there may be another significant move later today. But if it not a massive, game changing trade the Sharks are still in a much different positon moving forward.
by pj48 on Aug 28, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Off the top of my head, players who have left the Sharks:
Brian Boucher
Mike Grier
Tomas Plihal
Alexei Semenov
Marcel Goc
Jeremy Roenick
Claude Lemieux
Christian Ehrhoff
Brad Lukowich
All of them were pretty regular features in the lineup when not injured (save for Lemieux), and so the bottom two lines will look drastically different. Add that to Torrey Mitchell playing this year, actual competition for spots in the lineup (there was none last year), and the leadership being earned in training camp and its a pretty different Sharks team from last year.
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by mymclife on Aug 28, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet oddly, except for a few letters, they probably could run with the same webpage as last year’s. Things still appear very much the same atop Sharks Mountain.
Not saying things need to change further for the Sharks, but the language earlier in the summer still suggested something more dramatic than what’s been essentially lower-tier housecleaning.
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by Earl Sleek on Aug 28, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Moen and Alexei Semenov are two others. That makes at least 11 players gone from last season.
by pj48 on Aug 28, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forget about Kaspar and Moen… Shows how much I think of the two.
But really, a lot of the guys the Sharks released/traded have been part of the organization for years, many since they were drafted. It really is a big change for a team that doesn’t tend to have much turnover and builds mainly from within.
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by mymclife on Aug 28, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Third and fourth lines never came together at all last year. When the second line scored a grand total of 2 goals in the playoffs after scoring 70 in the regular season, it was all on Marleau, Thornton and Setoguchi, and Marleau looked about 60-70% with the knee injury.
Mentioned Semenov twice, woops.
by pj48 on Aug 29, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not one of those guys is an impact player
I think the Sharks’ playoff problems stem from more than just the bottom quarter of the lineup.
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by Back In Black on Aug 28, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats
You haven’t watched a Sharks game at all.
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by Nael M. on Aug 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll admit I haven't watched many
But Roenick, Lemieux, Goc, Grier, Kaspar, Moehn and Plihal combined for 30 goals last season. How many playoff goals were you expecting? Enlighten me as to how Semenov, Plihal, Kaspar, Boucher and Lemieux – who combined to play one playoff game – were the problem against Anaheim.
Changing your press box guys doesn’t constitute a major lineup shuffle.
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by Back In Black on Aug 29, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the playoffs this year showed us, you don’t just need your go-to guys to do great, but also your third and fourth lines to chip in goals occasionally (see: Talbot, Max). The bottom two lines combined for one goal, which was scored by Cheechoo while he was playing with Thornton and Roenick. That’s a problem, as the other team can just throw out their best defensive players whenever the good guys are on and not have to worry the rest of the time.
Oh, and Roenick had one of the best playoff performances in franchise history last year in the Calgary series’ game 7 (2g, 2a). I wouldn’t think it would be out of the question to expect that out of the third and fourth lines combined.
And in the cases of Kaspar and Boucher – Kaspar has not shown any drive to work his way up to the top line, but would rather just be given the position. Boucher was a casualty of San Jose’s goaltending depth in the minors, as there are multiple goalies ready to play on the AHL level, and not enough spots for them all. Greiss also performed well in the Calder Cup playoffs, and so deserves a look as Nabby’s backup.
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by mymclife on Aug 29, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with Boucher was not using him more in the regular season, keeping him primed so he was at least an option if Nabokov struggled. Never happened, even in late back-to-back games he sat on the bench.
Problem with Kapsar, 2 points in 2 games on the top line then he was banished. Give him 2 weeks on the top line while Marleau was out, build up his profile, then trade him. Sharks could use the draft pick, albeit it probably would have been a later round one.
Problem with Moen, he disappeared against Anaheim. He was supposed to be a physical, tone setting element on the third line. Maybe he could not get it done against his former team, the third line was thrown together too late to build chemistry, or he had a hidden injury. He was a non-factor. Considering what was given up to get him, it was a significant failure.
Problem with Goc and Plihal, never gelled offensively or defensively. Tweeners that could not make any offensive contribution, or enough of a consistent defensive contribution. Problem with Grier, two straight lower body injuries in consecutive playoffs. He is a backbone type of player, but he doesn’t have the skill set to play at that high a level with significant injuries. He returned too early both times trying to play it out, and he was a step or two slow.
Roenick, injured. Lemieux, it would have been nice to see Lemieux take a shirft or two against Getzlaf and Perry. Why not given the effort on the ice, take a shot at geting under their skin.
Bottom line is that GM Doug Wilson said only 2 Sharks players gave more than 75% in the playoffs last year. It was noticeable from the first few shifts. They deserved to lose, Marleau and Thornton deserved to be stripped, and they needed to somewhat clean house. Now there is a clean slate and they can take one last shot at a playoff run with Marleau and Nabokov in the final year of their contracts.
by pj48 on Aug 29, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smells like the necessary salary dump to prepare for a Heatley trade to me.
by velociraptor on Aug 28, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Lightning have acquired Alex Tanguay (TSN.ca)
Terms of the deal have not been released. But it seems that Lecavalier and St. Louis talked to him and convinced him that Tampa would be a good option. All in all to go along with with the addition of Ohlund, Brian Lawton (Lightning GM) has done in good job of restructuring this team while his owners continue to squabble.
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by hawks61 on Aug 28, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What's going on with Calgary and Vancouver?
Do they both really believe that the best way to avoid losing to the Hawks and Wings come playoff time is to load up on defence? Seriously they can’t be their game plan?
Now both just have 1 line that will most likely get shutdown by other teams top defensive pairing, guess both teams are planning on winning 1-0 or 2-1 on goals by Mark Rypien and Eric Nystrom. Both teams GM’s rational may have both treading water all season that may find both on the outside looking in come playoff time. Fact: 1 line teams (no matter how good of a defence) tend to disappear early come playoff time ex.) the NYRangers. Enough said!
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by hawks61 on Aug 28, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Rypien? Wasn’t he a football player?
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 28, 2009 10:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The first Canadian quarterback in the NFL. Rick Rypien and Shane Churla are cousins, with the former presumably a generation removed.
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by Doogie2K on Aug 28, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...in the Canucks case
Having Mark Rypien would be more beneficial than Rick Rypien for if the Canucks are to compete and possibly topple the Wings and/or Hawks they are in desperate need of a “Hail Mary”.
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by hawks61 on Aug 29, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re the one suggesting they need a “hail mary” to defeat the almighty Hawks and Wings sir. The post season is a different beast (and congrats on your success last year). But Vancouver was 2-2 against the Hawks and Wings during the regular season and scored four more goals against Chicago too.
If you still think they have a single line, you’re caught in the Nonis years (which, considering the offense, wasn’t the best time).
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 29, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2nd line?
Who centre’s the 2nd line on the Canucks this season? Is Sundin coming back? Is Hodgson ready to accept that type of responsibility as a rookie nonetheless? If you’re counting on Wellwood well….he can good at the best of times and the worst at others. I think you would agree that Wellwood is not consistant enough to be 2nd line centre. So who fills the void left by Sundin (if he doesn’t come back)?
By the way, regular season is the regular season but the playoffs….is entirely a different story.
Speaking about the playoffs just watched Game 6 Hawks-Canucks on NHL Network, man that was even better the 2nd time around. “Hat-trick Kane” just listening to the disappointment in Jim Hughson’s voice after that goal against ‘Touchdown Luo’ was fantastic to relive, wouldn’t you agree?
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by hawks61 on Aug 29, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kesler is likely the second line pivot and yes he’s better than Wellwood at that role (to that end, Hodgson is probably taking the third line center unless he has a poor camp). Kesler’s point production has consistently gotten better the past three seasons and is being counted on to command a larger role in offensive leadership. And he’s walking into his contract year so he’ll be motivated in more than a few respects.
And I just wrote above the post season is a different beast. I wouldn’t put the cart before the horse in any respect. Certainly not with Vancouver’s track record. And neither should you.
Sure Kane’s hat trick was nice. Not as nice as his one goal and -6 against the Wings in the next round or his off season problems, but sure it was nice. Besides if you’re going to call out anyone from that series, it should be Byfuglien who did his job damn near perfectly.
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 30, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kesler and Byfuglien?
I seriously doubt that Kesler can fill that void due to the fact he is more comfortable as a winger (right wing perferably). Many wingers (like Sharp) have struggled with the transition from the wing to centre for it’s totally a different ball-game defensively. After watching Kesler and the Canucks not only in the playoffs but during periods throughout the regular season I doubt that Kesler is the type of player that can switch over and be successful. Not to mention that some players when swtiched around often struggle offensively as well and with the little firepower the Canucks have on their roster Kesler cannot have his production diminish in any capacity.
In any event, that series between the Hawks and Canucks was one of the best series I’ve seen in many years in the NHL. It was fast-paced, end-to-end action, with a touch of nastiness. Other than Game 4 the whole series was back-and-forth with the all the games providing non-stop action. It was truly incredible and could’ve been decided either way so take no shame that the Canucks lost against the Hawks the way that they did for they could’ve easily won that series-they really were only 2:41 away.
If we’re going to call out anyone then really it should be Bolland for he really was the MVP of that series. From his game-tying goal in Game 1, to his SH goal in Game 2 to put the Hawks ahead to stay, as well as his GW goal in Game 5 Bolland was a threat everytime he touched the puck. Byfuglien was a thorn in the side of Luongo and did his job (at times to perfection) taking Luongo off his game, not to mention his two big goals in Game 5. But let’s not give Byfuglien to much credit ‘Touchdown Luo’ just completely unravelled at the worst possible times throughout the series. The Canucks wanted to go toe-to-toe with the Hawks banking on ‘Touchdown Lou’ to bail them out when called upon, which at times he did but far too often he didn’t. His failure should fall directly on his shoulders as blame, not to Byfuglein as credit.
Granted Kane was a -6 with only 1 goal but keep in mind Crosby didn’t light up the lamp against the Wings either in both Finals appearances. The difference was that others help fill the void and stepped up their respective games were as that didn’t happen with the Hawks. Kane wasn’t able against the Wings, but he definitely wasn’t alone. In fact only Toews had a productive series with Huet having an incredible Game 5 albeit in defeat.
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by hawks61 on Aug 30, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Umm… I’m no Canucks expert but I’m 100 % certain that Kesler is a natural center and has played that position most of his career, including last year, and when he was the most important center when USA won its only WJC gold. So he’s done it for years. Heck, he’s among the top faceoff guys in the league. Also, he’s considered a great defensive forward. So I don’t see what your point is here regarding him. Are you confusing him with another player perhaps?
by Malurous on Aug 31, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true. kesler started the season as a center, and in february, viggy put him on the right wing with sundin as center and demitra on left wing.
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by missy on Aug 31, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure you’re giving Kesler enough credit. He’s played the bulk of his career at center until Sundin showed up and, even then, he still played center when AV when line juggling and on the PP. He’s a lot more versatile than other wingers. Sure he’s not going to win the Art Ross anytime soon, but he can absolutely fit the need at center, particularly with some decent wingers in Samuelsson and (insert winger here). As Malurous said, he’s had a great deal of success even outside the NHL while playing center.
And I should have clarified about Byfuglien. What I was impressed with wasn’t what he did to Luongo, it’s how he drew the ire continually of guys like Mitchell and Bieksa. He shook them off their games more than I think most people give him credit for. Every inch he took towards the crease those two were there to freak out on him and it just made them, eventually, more sloppy and more careless. And with Salo down those two were the core that eventually fell apart. So Byfuglien did his job in getting in Luongo’s face but he took down the defense too. Not an easy job but it worked. Taking nothing away from Bolland or Kane either, they were solid as hell too.
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