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Did Kelly pull a Saskin?

Anaheim Ducks Chris Pronger speaks to reporters during a break at the National Hockey League Players Association meetings in Las Vegas on Friday, June 19 2009.

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Anaheim Ducks Chris Pronger speaks to reporters during a break at the National Hockey League Players Association meetings in Las Vegas on Friday, June 19 2009.

Some details began to leak out yesterday, including charges that Kelly peeked at a confidential transcript from a private session at the NHLPA summer meetings in Las Vegas two months ago.

The players were burned by the previous executive director Ted Saskin, who was fired after allegations that he monitored players’ e-mails for personal gain. So after learning about Kelly’s actions, mixed in with other concerns, they felt they could no longer trust him after he read the minutes of the private session.

— Tim Wharnsby, The Globe and Mail

Paul Kelly was everywhere in the NHL media on Wednesday, making multiple radio appearances (most notably here on Prime Time Sports with Bob McCown, the top sports radio show in this country) and doing interviews in print (like this one with ESPN.com).

What he didn't — or couldn't — say much of was his take on the whats and whys of the players' decision.

Enough ink has been used on all of this business to this point that there's no need to continue reading the tea leaves without more information from the principals, but I will say that I bet Wharnsby's sources on this story are excellent and that this alleged peeking very well could have played a role in what happened.

Something obviously set the players off on this radical course, and perhaps the offence was just too close to previous indiscretions to overlook.

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Brendan Shanahan, meanwhile, has some worthwhile comments here, questioning how this decision was made and the optics of a 3:30 a.m. firing.

"It followed the constitution, but I think the timing makes me nervous and the timing makes a little suspicious when we're only 10 days away from having access to all 700 players," Shanahan told Devils reporter Tom Gulitti. "Why did this have to be done in such a hurried fashion? We made that mistake a few years ago, hurrying it through with (Bob) Goodenow and (Ted) Saskin and I thought we learned from that mistake. In the end, it might be the right decision, but I still don't like the way it was done and I'm still waiting for some answers."

And so, too, is everyone else.

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Well, this explains why some player reps are confident that their teammates would agree with the decision, and this is probably a key “new information” that the reps learned about during the meeting.

by SJKel on Sep 3, 2009 2:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If this is true (the peeping), then it at least makes the firing more understandable. The players’ previous experiences have made them extremely sensitive to invasions of privacy like that, and anything similar is going to make them jumpy. And if Kelly did do that, he’s an idiot. He had to know how sensitive they would be.

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by Baroque on Sep 3, 2009 4:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to dump on Wharnsby or his sources, but is it possible that this allegation is nothing but a rumour floated out by someone connected with the NHLPA to help make what looks like a crazy decision to fire Kelly look somewhat justifiable?

Given the past behaviour of the NHLPA and who they are associating with now, I’m willing to believe just about anything until (if?) we finally get some real answers about just what the heck is going on here.

Being a Leaf fan here requires one to be sufficiently lubricated... and truculent!

by stucky on Sep 3, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

My first thought as well. After Saskin, Kelly would have to be a massive idiot to repeat that mistake. Maybe he did, but it sounds like they are trying to justify the act after doing the deed.

by Resolute on Sep 3, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be great if someone in the media would post the “anonymous” letter about Kelly that started last summer. That seems to be the genesis of everything we have seen so far.

And was this meeting that he “peeped” at the same meeting where (I think Pink?) was extended for 5 years without Kelly’s knowledge and against the league constitution?

by Waterloo Sens Fan on Sep 3, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but it was Ian Penny who was extended.

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by James Mirtle on Sep 3, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Snooping Wasn't The Reason For Kelly's Dismissal

It seems to me though that this particular charge is largely irrelevant – even if correct. Obviously, there were already different concerns about Kelly’s leadership – since that was the main topic of the Las Vegas meeting. Since Kelly could not have looked through the minutes of that confidential meeting until after it occurred, it stands to reason that his supposed snooping could not have been the driving reason behind his dismissal.

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by Jonathan Willis on Sep 3, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This.

It could be the icing, but it can’t be the cake.

by BleedBlue42 on Sep 3, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The decision to oust Kelly was made months after that Las Vegas meeting, however.

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by James Mirtle on Sep 3, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but it’s pretty unlikely that the push to oust Kelly started after the Las Vegas meeting. As BledBlue says, it may be the icing but it can’t be the cake.

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by Jonathan Willis on Sep 3, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently there’s been people unhappy with Kelly for more than a year. They may have always been unhappy with him. But that doesn’t mean that this “peeking” wasn’t what pushed the players to make their decision.

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by James Mirtle on Sep 3, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Corporate Sponsorship

It was interesting to watch Ian Penny direct attention to those allegations today – accusing Glenn Healy of trying to “deflect attention” from them via his resignation letter.

It’s also interesting that Penny fired Kevin Lovitt, the NHLPA’s director of corporate sponsorships. Given Healy’s letter, I wonder how much corporate sponsorship had to do with the termination.

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by Jonathan Willis on Sep 3, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, Kelly’s denying the allegations.

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by Jonathan Willis on Sep 3, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My Guess

The players want a hawk, not a dove, in the upcoming negotiations. Kelly wasn’t confrontational enough to suit those players paying attention. You know the cap-evading long term deals are going to be issue #1, with the players and richer teams saying they work just fine…

by Thursday on Sep 4, 2009 1:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Which means the PA will once again be cutting off its nose to spite its face. Good show, guys.

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by Doogie2K on Sep 4, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

J.R. Being J.R.!

Gotta love him though. Once again our dear friend Jeremy Roenick has lashed out at the NHLPA and it’s board members calling the way the proceedings of NHLPA’s Executive Director’s firing "Chicken Shit" in an interview on Leafs Lunch on AM 640 with Darren Dreger and Bill Waters, were he would also add "…the education of those players are going to be very low, I would say most of them have high-shool educations not college educations and not to put athlete’s down but they’re not the brightest bulbs in the box. So um…with that being said they really are influenced by the smarter people, the lawyers, by the people who have gone to college who seem to be the guys who wear the suits and ties- the smart people. That’s who the hockey players look at and they put they’re faith in and sometimes they shouldn’t do that. Our PA continues to make a mockery of itself!"
Nice to know that even in retirement J.R. is still up to the task when called upon to provide a colourful quote. Telling it like it is-J.R. style.

It's never about the eventual destination, but rather the long journey and its challenging obstacles that are presented and what it takes to overcome them, that makes the taste of success all the more worthwhile!!!

by hawks61 on Sep 4, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I love hearing JR question other player’s intelligence.

by yrmom on Sep 5, 2009 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can’t make up his mind whether or not going to college is a good idea, it seems, since back in the day he insulted Garth Snow for GOING to college. Which, in retrospect, seems to have worked out just fine for Garth.

by Malurous on Sep 5, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of me does wish that some team will make JR a GM just to entertain us all.

by yrmom on Sep 5, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, GM Brett Hull didn’t work out quite like that.

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by Doogie2K on Sep 5, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I don’t necessarily need it to work out. I like a good train wreck every once in a while.

by yrmom on Sep 5, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs


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