The Burrows incident
From a purely optical position, this is the NHL's worst nightmare. Worse than head shots. Worse than concussions. Worse than bankruptcies in unsuitable non-traditional markets. Worse, dare we say, even than Jim Balsillie's unwanted overtures to join the lodge.
When Alex Burrows opened his mouth Tuesday night in the aftermath of a 3-2 Vancouver Canucks' loss to the Nashville Predators to complain about the work of referee Stephane Auger, he said what a lot of people have been thinking for a lot of years.
I'm afraid I don't have a lot of time today given there's a game in a couple hours, but this story has such big implications for the league that I wanted to get this up here.
When the integrity of officials is called into question, as we saw in the NBA last season, it's a huge issue, and this opens the door for more analysis of the league's referees than is really warranted. Officials are not supposed to determine the outcome of a game, and certainly not as the result of some petty grudge for a previous disagreement.
If what Burrows says is true, Auger's job should be in jeopardy.
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If what Burrows is saying is true, what do you think the NHL should do in the big picture (other than penalize Auger)?
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by jakeshapiro on Jan 12, 2010 4:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, in all fairness, if what he says is a fabrication, there ought to be a fairly severe punishment against Burrows. I hope for both Burrow’s sake and Auger’s that Burrows is being truthful.
by therealdeal on Jan 12, 2010 4:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why didn't Burrows
Just slash Auger across the face?
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by Exit716 on Jan 12, 2010 5:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here
We still haven’t heard Auger’s side of the story. Why did Auger pull Burrows in and talk to him before the game? How about, “hey you dove last game, don’t try that again”
Maybe Auger’s perception was merely colored, or maybe he really did have it out for him, I don’t know, but a lot of folks seem to just be taking was Burrows says as the absolute truth
by detroitnick on Jan 12, 2010 5:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
We may never hear Auger’s side. Has there ever been a ref that was held publicly accountable for any blatant bad call or non-call? And they happen every single game. Burrows’ claims are much more serious, and given the arrogance of some officials I can see something like this happening.
by rich snake on Jan 12, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One incident that stands out in my mind was when Andy van Hellemond got publicly fined for disallowing a GWG in the playoffs [I think ‘95] – he waived off a goal where the puck was in the net before he blew his whistle. It’s happened – but it’s not very common for discipline against a referee to be publicly announced.
by Irish Blues on Jan 12, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Kovalev job where he acted like he was dead after getting a one-handed slash on the back. Van Hellemond describes the play and says in Dick Irvin’s Tough Calls that he expected to be kept out of the Finals because of that, the only time in his career from ’77 to his retirement in ’96, and he was.
by Bosc Ulrich on Jan 12, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a DC area journalist who wrote a column about 6-months ago suggesting that refs should all have press conferences after games where they explain, defend, or beg forgiveness for their questionable calls, non-calls and other in game foibles.
It’s an interesting idea on a number of levels. It would encourage a higher level of professionalism I think because they would know that they would have to answer for it later on. Additionally, it would make the refs more human to the fans. Currently they are practically faceless “G-men” who come in and screw up left and right.
On the other hand it could just give teams fuel to add to the fire and blame losses on.
by snowburnt on Jan 22, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More devil's advocate
English is not Alex’s first language. It’s at least possible he misunderstood what Auger was trying to tell him. There’s a difference between “I’m going to get you next time you pull that” and “I’m going to get you”.
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by Back In Black on Jan 12, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
isn’t Auger french as well?
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by Karina on Jan 12, 2010 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is indeed, and it’s assumed they conversed in French. That also throws another wrench in the story, since witnesses would be very difficult to come by unless there was another francophone present during the exchange.
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by bkblades on Jan 13, 2010 3:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
burrows is a woman
surprised he didn’t pull auger to the ground by his hair. he has a history of that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bzdA3db5ak
by wishbone on Jan 12, 2010 5:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For those interested in some more followup reading, be sure to check out TSN’s coverage of this issue, which is really stellar.
Bob McKenzie weighed in with some talk about where this is going, long term and how much of a mess this actually is.
Ray Ferraro brought in his perspective as a former player who didn’t always get along with refs.
Darren Dreger meanwhile covered the short term ‘where do we go from here’ steps that we’ll see the league take.
I know that TSN is hardly an unknown news source, but I really feel the viewpoints that they’ve been able to present for this story have been above and beyond.
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by kforbes on Jan 12, 2010 5:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's quite a mess for the league
But at what point does Auger’s character gets called into question? After all he was the official that started the whole “Shane Doan said this to me” saga that had the House of Commons debating whether or not Doan should’ve remained the captain of the Canadian team during the World Championships in 2007.
For once I believe Burrows (not one of my favourites – see his hair pulling incident against Duncan Keith) that Auger made it personal and the phantom diving penalty would attest to that. It was a shameful display of officiating and let’s all hope that this is the end of all of this but sadly that might not be the case, especially if the Predators knock the Canucks out of the playoffs by one point at season’s end.
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by hawks61 on Jan 12, 2010 5:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Been debating this in a couple places today, but, in short:
1. Auger is incompetent.
2. Incompetence does not prove malice
3. Burrows does not find himself on the wrong end of any vendetta, real or imagined, if he doesn’t develop a history of showing up the officials. He earned his reputation, and put himself in the position that he is.
4. If his viewpoint on that conversation before the game is correct, then Auger needs to be fired. If he can’t prove it, Burrows is going to find himself the enemy of the entire NHLOA.
by Resolute on Jan 12, 2010 6:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t Auger the one who blew down a goal…that had been in the net for nearly five seconds?
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by Doogie2K on Jan 12, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If what Burrows is saying is true, why would anyone be surprised? When you have a limited pool of officials, and those officials frequently officiate the same players, of course there’s going to be some biases. Sometimes those biases will lead to score settling, or outright negative influence against one player or another.
Sadly, its no different than the NBA,.Out of all the baloney that Tim Donaghy spewed, I found his allegations of bias and outright vendettas against players the most plausible part of his story.
by john ogrodnick on Jan 12, 2010 6:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh please.
Was there anything remotely resembling any kind of long term damage from Andy Van Hellemond’s shenanigans?
And that happened back when the NHL was actually popular.
I’d bet most people don’t even remember what was going on with him, and the story around that situation was quite a bit worse than Auger being a dumbass and saying out loud what every hockey fan with an ounce of realism has known to be true for decades now.
by HockeyinHD on Jan 12, 2010 6:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Auger allegedly being a dumbass, you mean. Unless Burrows can back his claims up, they border on slander.
That said, nobody should be surprised about officiating biases.
Guys like Simon and Bertuzzi get flagged simply for being who they are. Burrows is rapidly joining this group.
Guys like Iginla, Sakic and Yzerman got a lot more leeway.
Referees are human, and they will take numbers when given reason to. Burrows obviously interpreted whatever Auger said to be such. I really hope that Auger is given the chance to respond publicly. His side really does need to be heard.
by Resolute on Jan 12, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except from what I can tell it wasn’t only Burrows last night. See post game comments by Nashville players.
There are also specific issues with the calls in terms of timing, when compared to calls in the Flames game. I.e. phantom calls late in the third when the game is tied vs. non-calls late in the third when the game is tied. We can understand the latter in the classic ‘let the boys play’ kind of way, but the former is very close to deliberately tampering with the game. Interestingly I think Hockey Rodent is one of the best commentators on that aspect of the game. He’s been very consistent when discussing ref differences, in the context of NYR games, for years now.
by rsm on Jan 12, 2010 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Auger allegedly being a dumbass, you mean. Unless Burrows can back his claims up, they border on slander.
No, they don’t. If they aren’t true, they don’t border on slander; they are slander. If they are true, that don’t border on slander; they aren’t slander, or even close. Whether he can provide any additional evidence really has no bearing on whether they really are slander or not. Whether Auger could successfully sue Burrows for slander if he can’t back up the claim depends entirely upon how Canada defines the burden of proof in the case of slander. In the US, it would be on Auger to be able to show that the claim is false. In Britain, as I understand their laws, it would be upon Burrows to show that it was true. I have no idea what Canada’s laws are.
Either way, though, the inability of either party to be able to show evidence has no bearing on whether the claim is, in fact, slander.
by J. Michael Neal on Jan 13, 2010 2:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IANAL, but Canada follows the same common-law principles as Great Britain. I would expect, based on your explanation, that it would be Burrows’ burden of proof if it came to a lawsuit.
by Resolute on Jan 13, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
US is also a common-law country I believe. Generally, if you accuse someone of damage, you have to show evidence to convince the judge. I’m surprised if in Britain you have to prove your innocence in a slander case. It should be the other way round.
by SJKel on Jan 15, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In Canada, you must prove that your claims are true to avoid slander charges. In the US, it is indeed the opposite.
by Hawerchuk on Jan 15, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So in Canada you should never say anything bad about anyone unless you have rock solid evidence to support your claim, because you may get sued for slander?
by SJKel on Jan 15, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
I know this is catnip for the hockey press, but comparing this to Donaghy? Give me a freaking break.
Only an idiot would suggest that refs – IN EVERY SPORT – has, have and always will have biases and grudges against certain players. I mean, this really makes me question whether those reporting on this have ever laced up and played a sport in their life. It goes beyond grudges/biases as well. Refs have “managed” games forever, and one of the ways to manage a game is that, if you blow a call and you know it, you make it up to the team who suffered the blown call.
This is more than faintly ridiculous. It is media manipulation aiimed at fomenting fan outrage, all in the name of getting inches and selling papers and TV spots.
by Gerald on Jan 13, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The real irony of this is that Sportsnet had a story where an un-named referee criticized Auger, while players across the league (or in Calgary, at the very least) are calling Burrows a whiner. Never would have expected that each side would shove their own und
by Resolute on Jan 13, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah, was supposed to cancel that and posted it anyway. that should end with “…each side would shove their own under the bus.” Not that any player would side with Burrows on the record. He’s already thrown himself into the cooking pot. Nobody is going to join him willingly.
by Resolute on Jan 13, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Any player knows he gets fined if he criticizes an official, so why would a player do that especially for a game that they are no part of? Burrows has never played for any other team and probably has few friends outside Vancouver given the way he plays.
by SJKel on Jan 15, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Resolute, I’d call you out for being biased Flames fan who simply doesn’t care for Burrows but, then, I’m a Canucks fan so I could easily be coloured with the same brush.
Putting biases aside, let’s consider the situation here.
Auger and Burrows have a history; one that includes Burrows being dubiously thrown out of a game against Montreal for a cross check on Patrice Brisebois and another that involved Burrows making the most of a hit that resulted in Jerred Smithson being ejected from the game even though Burrows was able to get right back in the game.
Auger clearly (not to mention stupidly) went up to Burrows before the anthem and said something to him. Obviously this will end up in a he said-he said situation if Auger challenges Burrows’ accusation. But we might further consider that there are myriad incidents of refs and players showing each other up – and these don’t result in refs going up to a player before the game and saying anything. It stands to reason that if Auger was going to this length, he must have had a point to make. Whether there was a veiled or explicit threat, the evidence certainly seems to suggest a threat was made (and executed by Auger during the game).
As for the game, I watched it and was utterly disgusted by the refereeing. Listen, I know that it’s easy to blame the refs and the refereeing when your team loses after a few (perceived) bad calls. But even the most anti-Canucks viewer would have to admit that last night was not even questionable in terms of dubious officiating. The Canucks had five penalties in the third to the Predators’ one, with Burrows getting two of them. This, don’t forget, in a 2-2 game. I watch every Canucks game and many others and I must say, I struggle to recall a game where the penalties were that one-sided in a tie game in the third period. The second call against Burrows, in particular, with the Canucks just starting their lone power play of the period, was a phantom call if I’ve ever witnessed one. Then, after Burrows started making a show of his displeasure, Henrik was called for another dubious penalty immediately after. I’m sorry, but that just doesn’t add up for me.
Moreover, we should consider another point: despite all of the incidents where a player perceives that he has been picked on by a ref, you never hear of the player making a detailed claim about a vendetta. In other words, it’s not something players typically say to account for dubious calls against them. I find it almost unfathomable that a player like Burrows (especially one with his own questionable reputation who might feel as though he’s been unfairly targeted by refs in the past) would all of the sudden make an erroneous claim to account for penalties against him.
Something doesn’t smell right in all of this. Frankly, I think that’s the conclusion to draw whether you care for Burrows or not.
by Robert J on Jan 12, 2010 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
See my first point in my first comment. I don’t think many would argue Auger is incompetent. The question is whether Burrows can prove his claims.
Burrows was obviously upset, and frankly, that could well have impacted how he viewed Auger’s words before the game. Auger very well could have “threatened” Burrows the way he said. Auger also could have simply warned Burrows that he won’t tolerate the acting. That isn’t a threat, that is setting the limitations on how far a player with a history and a reputation can go. We simply cannot say for sure because we have only Burrows’ side of the story. That, frankly, is not nearly enough for me to convict Auger of anything beyond incompetence.
by Resolute on Jan 12, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Moreover, we should consider another point: despite all of the incidents where a player perceives that he has been picked on by a ref, you never hear of the player making a detailed claim about a vendetta.
Because most have the common sense not to do so. Let’s pretend for even one second that Burrows is right here (which is truly unknown), what did he just accomplish? By publicly calling out a referee and questioning his professionalism (whether true or not) he’s just earned himself a career’s worth of distrust and bias from all officials, not only because he called out one of their piers, but because now everyone has gone back and viewed his dive earlier in the season cementing his reputation as a diver. He’s never going to get the benefit of the doubt call for the rest of his career. All for what, to complain about a loss in mid January.
What a moron. Sometimes discretion really is the better part of valor.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 13, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget about the $2500 fine. See he has a target on his back and a lighter wallet. GOOD TIMES!!
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by Mike @ MHH on Jan 18, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Duhatshek’s comments are way over the top. There is a big difference between the alleged vendetta against a player and officials taking money to influence games for gambling.
If what Burrows says is true, Auger ought to be fired, but there is also a lesson to be learned here for Burrows. Officials are only human and if you play like a tool (as the NHL conclusively ruled, or at least as conclusively as we can get, Burrows faked it on the Smithson hit) it will come back and bite you.
I will also echo the comments that every one who has ever played hockey will have a story about a ref treating them at least more strictly because they chirped at him or made a dirty play earlier in the game or another game.
by CalTach on Jan 12, 2010 10:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
There is a big difference between the alleged vendetta against a player and officials taking money to influence games for gambling.
I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch, In both cases, supposedly impartial arbiters are implicitly being biased. Human error allows for missed calls, but gambling and personal vendetta both are purposeful acts to affect the game unnaturally.
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by bkblades on Jan 13, 2010 3:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And after all that, nothing doing.
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by Doogie2K on Jan 12, 2010 11:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That’s nonsense. They give this issue, real or fabricated, one day.
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by Jason_73 on Jan 13, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why waste a time with a dog and pony show?
Burrows: “He had a vendetta!”
Auger: “No I didn’t.”
League: “Can you prove your claim, Alex?”
Burrows: “Uhh….”
At that point it is a dead issue.
by Resolute on Jan 13, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And now, in accordance with the reason why no player ever is dumb enough to accuse an official of bias, Burrow will soon begin to understand why he should have kept his mouth shut.
What a dummy. As if he is the first guy ever to have a ref that is biased against him.
by Gerald on Jan 13, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could say I’m shocked – but I’m not.
They figure the walking drooling wallets that they call fans won’t notice, care, or be affected in any way because they don’t think, just hand over their money to the league and cheer for their local laundry.
What a lousy league. Such a pile of bull dung.
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by Baroque on Jan 13, 2010 5:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
“What a lousy league.”
Compared to exactly what, baroque?
by Gerald on Jan 13, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At one point in the not-too-distant past, I had a copy of the current CBA between the league and the officials. I’ll try to dig it out this evening and see if (A) I’ve still got it, and (B) there’s something in there regarding league commentary on criticism of officials.
by Irish Blues on Jan 14, 2010 6:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so I’ve looked a few things up. Auger may yet get cut loose, but the NHL is limited to dismissing no more than 4 officials [referees and linesmen] in any year; if any official voluntarily retires in a year, the limit is 3. The reasons an official may be released are:
- substandard performance [especially failure to be named to work in the playoffs for 2 or more consecutive seasons for those officials with less than 16 years of experience] substandard conditioning
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- insubordinate conduct and/or attitude willful non-compliance with established League rules or policy, and
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- for junior-level officials [less than 6 years experience], failure to make adequate transition to the NHL level for senior-level officials [16 or more years experience], material diminution of skills over either a period of years or on a year-to-year basis.
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The only thing they could nail Auger for would be the 3rd and 4th reasons – and there could be a good argument that his conduct re: Burrows, even if accurately described by Burrows, doesn’t hit that threshold. [I leave that to the lawyers to argue about.] They could get him for the 1st reason if he qualifies, but I don’t know what his experience level and his playoff work experience is; someone else can look that one up.
by Irish Blues on Jan 14, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And the lined-out portions above should not be lined out; once again, I haven’t figured out how to format posts properly. [Yet.]
by Irish Blues on Jan 14, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the hyphens. SBN’s text engine recognizes that as shorthand for strikeout.
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by Mike @ MHH on Jan 18, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad no action was taken on Auger. It was obviously foolish of him to talk to Burrows though. He really should have paid it back in full without saying a word. That way Burrows couldn’t have gone to the media. The truth is it was not the ref that hurt the Canucks, it was Burrows by getting an opponent ejected by embellishing. Payback is a mother and it’s fair game as far as I’m concerned. Play with integrity and you won’t have problems of this kind. Fool the ref and you and your team will pay for it later, just the way it should be. It’s part of the bigger game. No hockey game starts with a blank slate, there is always something carrying over from the past.
by bearhunter on Jan 13, 2010 7:06 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
So in your NHL
It’s OK for referees to decide that a guy has misbehaved in a previous game, and tag that guy and his team in a current game?
You, sir, are a wrestling fan (I’m thinking worse, but I don’t want to get banned for calling you what I’m thinking).
by garth the hoser on Jan 13, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Recommended for truth and perspicacity.
by Gerald on Jan 13, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NHL says case closed. No fine, no suspension. What a joke.
by wlittle on Jan 13, 2010 2:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We have determined that Mr. Burrows’ account of referee Auger’s comments to him before the game, and specifically Burrows’ suggestion that these comments indicated bias against the player or the Vancouver team, cannot be substantiated…
“While referee Auger engaged the player in a brief conversation prior to the opening faceoff, I firmly believe that nothing inappropriate was said and that Referee Auger’s intentions were beyond reproach,”
Colin Campbell
CBC story link
How can Burrows be fined because his comments can not be substantiated? Doesn’t fining him imply there is evidence to prove they are unsubstantiated? Why not share this information?
Ok, they had a conversation before the game but he doesn’t believe Auger said anything inappropriate, so is he implying that Burrows is lying or that it is appropriate for Auger to say that to Burrows?
Also, why are Auger’s intentions considered beyond reproach?
by stormshadow on Jan 13, 2010 11:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Intentions?
I don’t give a rat’s behind about his intentions. What about his actions?
Heck – Bertuzzi’s intentions were beyond reproach as well – never meant to break Moore’s neck. But he did, so that’s what he gets judged on.
What a bizarre response from Campbell.
by Jevant on Jan 15, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree with a bunch of people here. Yes, it is human nature for referees to be biased, and such things are always going to be a part of the game. To say that they are inevitable, though, is not to say that they are right. Officials shouldn’t treat players differently, even if they don’t like them for perfectly justifiable reasons. That’s a part of the job. So, I disagree with those who say that Burrows brought this on himself and is just going to have to live with it.
Even aside from making any comments before the game, if Auger is clearly punishing a player on the ice, that calls for serious discipline by the NHL. While those biases will always be there, it is also essential for the league to do what it can to minimize their effects. If it becomes obvious that is ref is exercising his biases, that has to be a cause for discipline. Like a lot of things in life that inappropriate but inevitable, it has to be kept to a level at which it isn’t egregious. I haven’t seen the plays, so I can’t make a judgment in this particular instance. However, given that the best spin that anyone seems able to put on them is that they were grossly incompetent, it’s pretty suspicious.
At a minimum, I think that Auger’s crew shouldn’t be assigned any more Canucks games for a long time.
by J. Michael Neal on Jan 14, 2010 4:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Alex Burrows to me is what Steve Ott is to the rest of you. I think he’s a dirty player who dives and whines, and I hate him.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jan 14, 2010 2:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t hold back, BRR, tell us how you really feel.
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by Mike @ MHH on Jan 18, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Consider the source, imo
And in this case the source is a scumbag. Even if he is telling the truth, his history as a diver and a cheap shot artist hardly makes him a credible witness in any hockey case.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 19, 2010 2:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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