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The Sad Ballad of Olli Jokinen

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A long time ago (2008) in a galaxy far, far away (Sunrise, Florida), Olli Jokinen was a bona fide first-line center capable of 30 goals and 80 points. He performed quite well, especially considering the rotating cast he had surrounding him and the overall lack of success in Florida, coupled with the departure of Roberto Luongo.

Those heady years as a Panther marked the high point of a career that started off with Jokinen drafted third overall behind two pretty good players in Joe Thornton and Patrick Marleau. As a Panther, Jokinen evolved from high-drafted bust to legit scoring threat and team captain -- all after wasted years in Los Angeles and with the Islanders, where high expectations quickly dwindled and Jokinen was pegged as an out-of-shape checking center who never really used his full gifts.

In just about every stop Mike Keenan makes as coach, his confrontational style manages to bring out the best in a player. It worked for Chris Pronger, it worked for Jeremy Roenick, and in Florida, it worked for Olli Jokinen. Sometimes, all it takes is a bit of tough love, and Jokinen shaped up (literally) and finally put it together; in his second year under Keenan, Jokinen jumped from nine goals and 29 points to 36 goals and 65 points. As Jokinen's point totals grew, it seemed reasonable to project Jokinen as a #1 center in a Florida jersey for the near future.

Star-divide

Money got in the way, as it often does, and then came the big 2008 draft-day trade to the Phoenix Coyotes, where Phoenix shipped off promising Keith Ballard and journeyman defenseman Nick Boynton for what they figured would be the big #1 center they'd needed since Jeremy Roenick left in 2000. The Coyotes were so jazzed about finally getting a top-flight center to play with Shane Doan and mentor Kyle Turris that they even had Olli Jokinen bobblehead night on the 2008-09 home opener.

After that? Well, it went downhill for Jokinen, and maybe it was the curse of the bobblehead. Jokinen never gelled with Shane Doan, or any of the Phoenix wingers, and he didn't get along with Wayne Gretzky. In a Phoenix sweater, Jokinen projected out to a 62-point season -- a far cry from what was expected of him. After getting dealt to Calgary, Jokinen picked up the pace, though it still fell short of what he brought to Florida. This season proved even worse, as Jokinen is projected for his worst point total since before the lockout.

At the age of 31, Jokinen's approaching the downside of his career, and his move to the New York Rangers seems like Jokinen's last chance at reclaiming his reputation as a #1 center. He'll have the tools to support him, as John Tortorella favors an offensive style and Marian Gaborik will almost certainly flank him to start. Of course, it seemed natural for Jokinen to mesh with Shane Doan in Phoenix and Jarome Iginla in Calgary, and those never happened. Then there are those nasty reports of Jokinen's lack of leadership and work ethic, stemming all the way back from his ugly divorce in Florida to the rumblings in Phoenix about his laziness.

Ah, work ethic -- you know, the thing that John Tortorella $!*&ing loves more than anything else. Here's the problem facing Jokinen: he's trending downward, his passion and leadership have been questioned in his last three stops, and he's not getting any younger. Based on that, I'm guessing Jokinen starts out well for New York before falling into Tortorella's doghouse, where he plays out the rest of the season and heads into free agency for the highest bidder. Someone will overpay, and Jokinen will play well for 20 games before he falls into another rut, and the fans label the deal as one of the worst in the off-season.

Oh wait. Maybe he'll stay with the New York Rangers after all. They've been known to go through that routine before.

And semi-tangential to this...this is still my favorite Jokinen-related thing floating around the Internets (from the former home of Donny Rivette's Litter Box Cats).

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I imagine all the Flames fans out west are still going through a restless night; I’m a Flames fan in the Maritimes which can be a blessing at times like these.
I don’t think it “seemed natural” that the Joker would mesh well with Iggy; they are both shooters. Olli was playing awful in Phoenix, but Darryl Sutter had wanted Olli in Calgary for a looong time (the whole “big-body #1 centreman” myth). I thought the trade was crap then, and I sure wish we still had Matthew Lombardi and that first-rounder.
I’m glad that he is out of Calgary (and so are all the goalposts he hit) , but I would have liked to see if playing with Hagman could have turned him around. At least we could have let him walk after the season instead of taking on two more overpaid underperformers. The prevailing hope at M&G is that they will be flipped for something better (some are praying for Kovalchuk or Lecavalier). Desperate times!
In an interview last night after the trade, Olli admitted that $5 million for a few goals just isn’t going to cut it. I’ll get him credit for having the intelligence to at least see that.

by rich snake on Feb 2, 2010 7:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

  • Kovalchuk, Lecavalier, Bergeron & first, B. Richards…
    Wishful thinking, but I don’t know if there is another NHL GM as batshit crazy as Sutter right now…

by rich snake on Feb 2, 2010 8:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We may just see if Kent will change the name of M&G to Desperately Grasping at Straws, because that’s what we’re doing at this point.

by Subversive on Feb 2, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Olli is a very good player, but the problem is that he’s also very limited in where he plays and with whom. Shooting centers are not the norm, and he’s utterly incapable of playing wing. That requires a playmaking winger – also because he’s not a great playmaker himself. Because of that I agree with rich snake that Jokinen meshing with Iginla (or Doan for that matter) never seemed likely to me. He can also be a PP threat if there’s an able quarterback. I seem to remember that the Flames have been going for the point shot more than playmaking from the point, correct me if I’m wrong. So that would also explain lack of success in Calgary (along with a rotten shooting percentage that just can’t stay that low).

For all that, I could see him fitting really well with Prospal as he’s a strong playmaker that can play wing. A Prospal-Jokinen-Gaborik line could be interesting, but it remains to be seen if there’s actually something wrong with Olli this year or if it was just circumstances.

by Malurous on Feb 2, 2010 8:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Because of that I agree with rich snake that Jokinen meshing with Iginla (or Doan for that matter) never seemed likely to me.

We’ve seen it work before over the years for different teams. It won’t necessarily recreate Adam Oates/Brett Hull chemistry, but two shooters can work if both guys understand how the other guy’s style varies and how best to complement it (coaching helps). Olli’s broken 50 assists on some pretty bad Florida teams before, so there’s part of him that can do it, even if he doesn’t Crosby-like passing vision. Getting that to work requires a bit of work ethic and hustle, and Olli isn’t exactly known for that.

Here’s an example of how it can work: watch Marleau and Heatley in San Jose. Both are above-average passers but shooters first. Even when Thornton’s not involved, they can both score.

by Mike Chen on Feb 2, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not talking about the player type generally, I’m talking about Jokinen specifically. As a Finn, I’ve probably seen him with more linemates than most, and the history (NHL, national team, Finnish league) simply shows that a playmaker type on the wing is important for Olli’s best performance. It also shows that Olli playing on the wing of a playmaking center doesn’t work, it has to be the other way around.

That said, anything is of course possible. And I don’t think having a shooter on his wing is a problem – it can actually work really well with Olli spending more time in the front of the net – but not having a playmaker is.

by Malurous on Feb 2, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Heatley is an underrated playmaker. Back before Atlanta stole Marc Savard from Craig Button, Atlanta considered converting Heatley into a centre so they avoided the “donut” line syndrome moving forward with him and Kovalchuk. Of course, then they got Savard and well… event transpired to make Heatley move from franchise cornerstone to journeyman superstar winger a la Alexander Mogilny/Teemu Selanne.

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by saskhab on Feb 2, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t see Jokinen adding that sort of fire power that the Rangers really need. On a similar note, it’s not like the Rangers gave up big scorers either to pick him up, so in a way I guess it was worth the gamble to see how it pans out for them. It will be interesting to see where they plan on using him and with whom.

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by FrankD on Feb 2, 2010 9:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

To be honest Frank

worst case scenerio is that Jokinen oesn’t work out, and he walks at the end of the year. This wasn’t so much a “save the season” deal as a “save some cap” deal. Plus everyone is saying that Prust is the steal of the deal and might be a legit player at some point. Time will tell.

Either way the Rangers don’t lose here period.

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by Joe Fortunato on Feb 2, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It struck me more as a win-win for the Rangers than it did anything else. Like I said, it was worth the gamble but I guess maybe the better word would’ve been “shot.” It’s worth a shot. And, like you said, if nothing works out he walks.

And to handle the cap situation, maybe Sather should find a time machine, go back and pass on Wade Redden. Which kinda brings me to my next hypothetical: If the Rangers had a little more cap space, and by that I mean free space provided Redden wasn’t locked up in the sort of deal he’s in, do you think the Rangers would’ve been contenders right now for Kovalchuk? I read something today from CSN’s Pinnaccio that suggested the Flyers may be in on the Kovy deal, but I really can’t see it panning out there.

Then again, even as a Pens fan I didn’t have high hopes for Hossa coming to town a few years ago either, so I guess anything is possible.

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by FrankD on Feb 2, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rangers come out on top because they get rid of two of Sather’s bad contracts and pick up a UFA they could drop at the end of the year when (if) it doesn’t work out. Granted, this is Sather, so Jokinen might put up 2 goals the rest of the way and he’ll sign him to a big extension.

As for the questions about Jokinen, I was pissed when he was traded out to the Coyotes for Ballard and happy to see him go (hope the Flames continue to tank and that first round pick gets better and better). He was a terrible fit here, didn’t mesh with the younger players or provide any of the things that the Coyotes hoped he would. In addition, he might be the only player I’ve ever met during a meet the team event that looked downright pissed off to be there – basically refused to interact with the fans other than scribbling his autograph while checking his watch to see when he could leave.

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by Moridin417 on Feb 2, 2010 10:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

When you get down to it, Darren Dreger has revealed that he is a pathetic piece of shit. Hard to imagine what Prust and Jokinen went through over the last 36 hours because that idiot felt the need to interfere in what is supposed to be private negotiations so that he could get his own name in highlights.

by Resolute on Feb 2, 2010 10:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Im starting to believe you don’t like Darren Dreger.

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by poploser on Feb 2, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I simply never cared for him one way or another before. In this case, he went out of his way to incorrectly report a deal in negotiations as complete, got his facts wrong, and turned the last 36 hours into a shit show. Far, far below the standard of integrity that a journalist is supposed to maintain.

But then, I might be targeting him unfairly when this is a growing problem across the media entirely. It was, after all, the Score and RSN who broke the Pronger to LA trade as being done. Oops. And RDS is as reliable as the National Enquirer. The MSM seems to feel it is important to battle twits like Klessel for the rumour market, and as a result, idiots in the MSM have thrown journalistic principles out the window. Players getting their names dragged through the mud so that people like Dreger can get 1000 more followers on Twitter.

And yet, this same MSM will trash bloggers endlessly for their lack of reliability.

by Resolute on Feb 2, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But then, I might be targeting him unfairly when this is a growing problem across the media entirely.

This is really the heart of the matter. When you have reporters, and even worse, agents, trying to be the first to “tweet” something, you’re going to get errors. You get agents and team insiders and godknowswhoelse telling reporters stuff “off the record” that becomes world-wide knowledge in minutes.

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by poploser on Feb 2, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it’s kind of his job. Honestly, any news man in the country would have broken the story if they had it.

by Subversive on Feb 2, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, it’s not Dreger’s job to keep Sutter’s secrets. It’s not like he was making stuff up.

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by Back In Black on Feb 2, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Look east for the leak, not west.

And yes, reporting a deal as complete when it is not is making stuff up.

by Resolute on Feb 2, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a minor error, not invention

Presumably the source was mistaken and gave Dreger incorrect information. And he was clearly right to trust the source because the trade did go through eventually. I don’t care about Darren one way or another, but this is his job.

And it was both Sutter and Sather’s “secret” no matter who leaked it.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Feb 2, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One of the first rules of journalism – which other journalists will gleefully point out when some other network screws up – is that you don’t run a story without independent verification. It is obvious Dreger has a source, but he relied too heavily on it, and ran with something that should have been kept in the locker for another 24 hours.

Of course, all he had to do was say “Rumour has it these teams are…”. Everyone in Rangerland goes “interesting”, everyone in Calgary goes “oh god no!”, then 24 hours later, the deal happens and Dreger gets to brag. Instead, he put four players and two franchises under a ridiculous amount of unnecessary scrutiny by jumping the gun.

Poor form.

by Resolute on Feb 2, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Puck Daddy’s reference to this post and wondering if there will be off-season bidders for Jokinen…

Two words: Wade Redden. Anything can happen in the insanity of free agent day.

by Mike Chen on Feb 2, 2010 3:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It reminds me of when Matt Groening showed how easy it is to draw Homer Simpson. Basically just some circles and lines.

by Mike Chen on Feb 2, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

James posted a link in a fanshot to a blog post by a Finnish author and illustrator, Tuomas Kyrö, containing this picture. Comparing it to his other caricatures, I assume it’s his own work for the blog, so I suppose the credit goes to Kyrö.

by Malurous on Feb 2, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs


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