Friday Spotlight: What Goes Around ... Is Still True Four Months Later
On November 9thof this year I wrote a story about hits to the head. My story was in retaliation to the Curtis Glencross cheap shot that gave Rangers center Chris Drury a concussion and put him out for two weeks. I was infuriated, not so much that the hit had happened, but that Glencross would probably only get a slap on the wrist and leave unscathed.
I ended up being correct. Glencross received a three game suspension and went on as though nothing happened, Drury missed two weeks, although it’s not like his play could have taken a real hit in effectiveness. In that story I wrote this as a potential solution to fixing the problem:
What gets to me--or at least will get to me--is that once the game is over the NHL does not step up. I'm just guessing here but I would say that Glencross will get a one game suspension, maybe three if he's unlucky. That can't be the case, especially if the NHL wants to put an end to hits to the head. Suspend him for 10 games, maybe more, give him something to think about. Make a real statement. A one game suspension truly doesn't even constitute as a slap on the wrist, it's just "required rest."
Another example was this "gem" from Donald Brashear last year during the playoffs. That hit got him a six game suspension, in my opinions he should have been out for at least 20. Players will start to think twice before throwing cheap shots if they are gonna get suspended for ten or more games. That's how you really stop hits to the head.
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So here we are, four months later, looking into the mirror and seeing the same thing we saw in November. Actually maybe it's worse. Since that post of mine we have seen some vicious hits, although not all necessarily to the head. Alexander Ovechkin was given a game misconduct three times, the most recent hit cause a full hour plus debate with Stephen Pepper from Japers Rink on Rink Side Radio last Monday. The third hit also earned Ovechkin a suspension of two games.
Matt Cooke also kicked things off in his normal classy fashion, decapitation Marc Savard on a blatant head-shot that has probably ended Savard's year. That hit went up-penalized, mainly because their isn't a rule against hits to the head; so long as they are not administered from behind.
Then we saw Steve Downie slew foot Sidney Crosby. A play they nearly injured Crosby badly--knee incidents are always scary, and as much as I may hate Crosby you never wish injury upon anyone. That play also went unpunished, once again throwing the state of the NHL and their suspensions into disarray.
And now, to further add to the confusion, James Wisniewski threw a blatant cheap shot at Chicago's Brent Seabrook. A hit that saw Seabrook pass out on the ice, and earn Wisniewski an 8 game suspension. Obviously Wisniewski's hit earned a suspension, but of the three hits (the Downie slew foot, the Cooke hit, and the Wisniewski hit) I thought that Wisniewski deserved the least amount of punishment. Although I did think that 8 games was appropriate.
So what does the NHL do? It seems to me that recently, within the past few weeks, the blatantly cheap and/or the recklessly dangerous hits have increased substantially. As I said four months ago, if the NHL wants to stop incidents like that they have to come down hard on offenders. But it isn't just about coming down hard, it's about coming down consistently.
NHL players have to think twice about the hits that they are going to administer. Just an opinion here, but Cooke knew exactly what he was doing when he laid Savard out. It was late, behind the puck, and aimed directly at the side of Savard's head. You can disagree with me, but regardless of weather or not you do you have to agree that hits like that have to be stopped, incidental or not. We aren't just talking about guys careers, but we are talking about their lives. Head injuries are even more dangerous than knee ones, and more permanent too.
The hope is that the NHL will get these issues right. Better late than never right? But the big issue can't be overlooked, dirty hits are hurting the game of hockey, and the lack of consistent judgment hurts even more.
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Mirtle mentioned in a tweet that there have been 27 different suspensions for what I guess you can call “unnecessary roughness” this year, so yes, I think it can be said that the current supplemental discipline process is not effective, and needs to change. However, you cant “move the goalposts” in the middle of a season!
The mid (or rather late) season escalation in the severity of the supplemental penalties is problematic to me. OV’s a multiple offender, yet his first incident cost him 1 game, and the second netted him 2. Wisniewski’s first was 2 games, and his second was 8. Where’s the consistency? Is there a bias in the quality of players/teams that comes in to play with suspensions? I think so.
Whats also of concern to me, and probably should be an issue for the players, is that due to their union being in total disarray, there’s been no input from the players association regarding this issue all year. In MLB/NBA/NHL, an obscene suspension like the one handed to Wiz would have been immediately appealed.
Should Wiz have been suspended, definitely. 8 games? That’s ridiculous based on past precedent.
The mid (or rather late) season escalation in the severity of the supplemental penalties is problematic to me. OV’s a multiple offender, yet his first incident cost him 1 game, and the second netted him 2.
Ovechkin’s previous suspension was also 2 games. Verified here.
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They need to chuck the “did anyone get hurt?” mentality; it’s ludicrous. For every suspension there are an uncounted number of scary events that don’t even get a replay because no one got hurt. I watched a Sens / Oil game in which Ryan Whitney cross-checked Chris Neil in the head. The trainer checked out his neck, he was fine, that was that. But name any other sport where a decision like that doesn’t result in an automatic suspension of several games and a huge fine, not just to the player, but to the team.
I agree that the key is consistency, moreso than number of games. Spend a month straight suspending players, regardless of their star status and regardless of injuries, and it may start to affect the culture. Right now there are dozens of dangerous plays a game.
You weren’t half as infuriated on the Glencross suspension as we were. Three games for what was, at worst, an interference minor was obscene. Especially given that hit was no different than Richards or Cooke, and not half as violent as either. That suspension was entirely based on the logo on Drury’s chest.
John is dead on on this one – the disciplinary decisions are not based on action anywhere, but on the player’s rep and the teams they play for.
thats not exactly true
if it were why wasnt Downie suspended for taking out the golden boy?
And we had this fight fourth months ago, bu the Glencross hit was dirty. We will disagree here (obviously) but it’s an opinion so be it.
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by Joe Fortunato on Mar 19, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
why wasnt Downie suspended for taking out the golden boy?
Going by the NHL’s m.o., most likely because Crosby wasn’t injured. And because there hasn’t been a decade-long buzz building about potentially leg-breaking slewfoots.
But if Crosby’s knee goes out or bone breaks in that incident, no doubt the NHL throws a repeat offender suspension at Downie — which is one of 150 reasons the Campbell regime is so flawed. Deterrence doesn’t happen when you punish only the dangerous/illegal acts that end in an injury.
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thats my point :)
who said Rag fans and Fishstick fans cant get along?
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by Joe Fortunato on Mar 19, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
Campbell’s office makes such an easy common enemy.
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Relativism
but of the three hits (the Downie slew foot, the Cooke hit, and the Wisniewski hit) I thought that Wisniewski deserved the least amount of punishment.
Joe, I’m curious why you rank them that way. Because of the potential danger involved, or…?
To me Wisniewski’s hit was easily as bad because it involved multiple forms of illegal: He charged, he left his feet, he hit with his arms up (and his stick dangerously up, a persistent flaw that seems to be overlooked in the fundamentals of bodychecking), and he hit someone who wasn’t playing the puck.
Regardless, they need standards beyond the relativist “was the recipient injured?” Since they never delineate their standards and since Colin Campbell is a trainwreck at communication, the signals coming from the league are constantly mixed. (Oh wait, Bettman describes Campbell’s approach as “having a consistency and a sound jurisprudential way.” So never mind.)
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I’m in league with Dominik here. I thought Wisniewski’s was probably the worst just because of how it was so removed from the play and it broke about a bazillion rules at once (charging, interference, elbowing, intent to injure). You come in from that far away, you know what you’re doing.
Well I wasn't saying that Wisniewski's hit wasnt bad
But I thought that the Cooke hit was premeditated, and aimed at the head. To me thats a worse hit.
I also thought that the Downie hit was a blantant act to injure someone. I have no doubt that he was trying to injure Crosby.
Although I guess I see your point. Still they are bad. Very bad, and all should have been suspended IMO
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by Joe Fortunato on Mar 19, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
You could be right regarding the intent (Cooke’s history certainly shows he loves that hit and doesn’t mind that it knocks his “union brothers” out.) But of course intent to injure is really hard to pin down and so often depends on circumstantial evidence. The circumstances for Wis’ hit, right after the hit on Perry, point to an intent to injure, too, even though he claims he’s a friend of Seabrook and wouldn’t do that. (Should such things ever be a consideration when determining intent?)
That’s why the NHL has it wrong with all these hazy circumstances Campbell loves (like his absurd rationale during last year’s playoff suspensions and non-suspensions). Want to deter a dangerous act? Suspend every time it occurs, and not just where there’s an injury or whether it’s been in the news. I’d venture they need much harsher suspensions than one and two games if they’re serious.
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We can complain all we want about the lack of consistency, but it will never change so long as there are not clear, negotiated guidelines for the NHL/NHLPA to be aware of and apply in a more black and white fashion.
First, no suspension should be for less than 3 games. There needs to be some fear that I might do something that actually has an impact on me, and more importantly, my team.
Second, if you’ve been suspended once before, and you get suspended again, the length has to be at least as long as the first time. If you are a “repeat offender”, you have to pay a price for not learning your lesson.
Finally, the financial penalties for being suspended have to be greatly increased. Losing pay for games missed is one thing. Maybe you do that for the first offense. The second offense, third offense, etc. the fine needs to be greatly enhanced.
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by poploser on Mar 19, 2010 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The NHL has actually been fairly clear and consistant on what does and does not deserve a suspension. The length of the suspension seems to amount to rolling dice, but otherwise you can follow their logic.
An elbow or forearm to the head is a suspension if the other guy is hurt.
A hit from behind is a suspension if the other guy flies headfirst into the boards and is hurt.
A shoulder to the head is a clean hockey play.
No one in the NHL has ever attempted a slew-foot.
Biting is a suspendable offense, but you can never prove it, so it didn’t happen.
Derogatory comments are a lifetime ban.
Now that we’ve established that, can we make the debate on what it should be: The league’s rules and guidelines are bush-league backwards and need to be seriously revamped.
I think the NHL should follow the example of the NBA. Back in the 70s there were issues with fighting and the catalyst was probably the infamous Kermit Washington cheap shot. He was suspended for 26 games! That sure sent a message. If they did that in hockey players might learn that kind of behavior isn’t tolerated.
by schoolyard puck on Mar 19, 2010 5:12 PM CDT reply actions
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